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Mr Interweb posted:Wait, you mean that the actual formulas and algorithms were developed by male scientists/mathematicians and women just took that information and typed it up on the computer? Terrible Opinions posted:That was done by those same women to a fairly great extent. If you're programing something into magnetic tape you need a fairly thorough understanding of how to optimize use of your very limited space. Yea I made a lot of assumptions because i was just trying to fit his words into a narrative that made sense. Everyone mentioned in my programming and computer engineering textbooks were dudes, and techbro here most likely had a lot of those same books. From that there's a pretty clear path to his conclusions that involve a lot of biotruths and not doing any independent research. Maluco Marinero and Tokamak made the point I was trying to make much better than I did.
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Why does programming give people more of a god complex than physics despite physics being far more deserving of the title?
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Physics is about looking for why, finding the underlying rules. There's a reason so many Jesuits were attracted to certain sciences, but it doesn't have to be a religious desire for knowing, a secular view that there's some structure to what I see works too. Programming is "I make the rules! I can do whatever I like within these confines!" And that creates the worst gods, small gods.
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Sep 26, 2017 13:25
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I guess I find "give me a long enough lever and a fulcrum to put it on and I will move the world" more compelling than "well I can shove numbers around in a box and that's cool"
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Sep 26, 2017 13:30
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Oh and his beloved, best done by men career path:wikipedia posted:Hamilton coined the term "software engineering" during the Apollo space mission days:
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Sep 26, 2017 13:31
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OwlFancier posted:Why does programming give people more of a god complex than physics despite physics being far more deserving of the title? Physics is approaching the universe cap in hand, asking politely if you can have some more facts please. Programming is building your own worlds, disconnected to many of the common limitations of reality. You get to decide which bit lives, and which bit dies! Muahahahaha! But seriously, engineers used to make up a disproportionate amount of Objectivists. They're seriously self-aggrandizing, "practical" problem-solvers with a really reductionist view of ethics and human beings in general. My former boss (a robotics engineer) used to basically not understand why we couldn't all work 12-hour days and wished we were all robots. His understanding of human motivation was fundamentally flawed. e: they also make up a disproportionate amount of terrorists and other extremists: http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/why-do-so-many-jihadis-have-engineering-degrees/
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Pembroke Fuse posted:
That makes sense. Wasn't John Galt an engineer? Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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Sep 26, 2017 14:04
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I was comp sci but it was attached to the engineering school of my university. Growing up, I was in engineering clubs. Most engineers I knew were bitter jerks aka nice guys. Compared to others; they were betas to jocks, felt smarter than business/frat guys, thought they were cooler than med/science types, and imagined themselves more macho than arts types. They felt entitled because their classes were allegedly harder than everyone else's. Engineering attracts men with ego but fear of confrontation. They love indirect competition. Grades, credit hours, projects, I knew guys that would calculate the total number of points earnable then brag about making 500/575 points in the course. This was consistent from my teenage years to adulthood. Its not compulsory thing like OCD or autism. It was a neurotic thing. The kind of person with a 300 slide presentation for a 5 minute speech. They had to be better than someone somewhere but couldn't admit their own flaws. So they have to criticize everyone else. It was sad to watch them for idk 6-8 years growing up. Most cool guys I knew usually went into different fields post grad. I did. The ones who stated in ENG are hard to hang with people.OwlFancier posted:Why does programming give people more of a god complex than physics despite physics being far more deserving of the title? temple fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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Sep 26, 2017 14:34
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OwlFancier posted:Why does programming give people more of a god complex than physics despite physics being far more deserving of the title? You do enough physics and you learn that you can't understand all of physics.
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I'd never heard of Hamilton before, she's incredible, even if she is responsible for the term "software engineer".
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Physics also has a history of giant paradigm shifts where everyone before them was wrong, regardless of how smart they were. Gives you a bit of perspective.
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Goon Danton posted:Physics also has a history of giant paradigm shifts where everyone before them was wrong, regardless of how smart they were. Gives you a bit of perspective. The point usually lies even harder in that we'd likely have never realized they were wrong without the work they did. It's not only that you work so hard and are proven utterly wrong after you're done in the field, you almost have to go in knowing you're doing work so someone else can prove you wrong.
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Discendo Vox posted:I'd never heard of Hamilton before, she's incredible, even if she is responsible for the term "software engineer". Hamilton is one of my secret heroes.
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OwlFancier posted:Why does programming give people more of a god complex than physics despite physics being far more deserving of the title? Physics would be a lot easier if we better understood the universe's machine code.
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Sure, in engineering there's always the misanthropist who hates everyone else and whose life goal is to have an helicopter so he can avoid having contact with a dirty pleb ever again or the odd libertarian lunatic but generally engineers I know seem fine. But I wouldn't put the blame in the activity itself or the people who are attracted to it. I would guess the current centrist paradigm which puts extreme faith in entrepreneurship and individual creativity as the way to solve every world problem, which I think is a massive ideological baseline in the states, would be one the main culprit for this engineering tendency for egomania. It starts with the social elevation of the tech savior Elon Musk types as the solution to the common suspicion of politics as a corrupt swamp which is only a waste of energy and it ends in Ayn Rand.
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Sep 26, 2017 17:07
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What's happened to Garret? His channel is completely gone, not even banned or anything, just not there anymore.
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Fados posted:Sure, in engineering there's always the misanthropist who hates everyone else and whose life goal is to have an helicopter so he can avoid having contact with a dirty pleb ever again or the odd libertarian lunatic but generally engineers I know seem fine. But I wouldn't put the blame in the activity itself or the people who are attracted to it. I would guess the current centrist paradigm which puts extreme faith in entrepreneurship and individual creativity as the way to solve every world problem, which I think is a massive ideological baseline in the states, would be one the main culprit for this engineering tendency for egomania. It starts with the social elevation of the tech savior Elon Musk types as the solution to the common suspicion of politics as a corrupt swamp which is only a waste of energy and it ends in Ayn Rand. It's the Law dichotomy. You're either there to make money or change the world, and if you're there to make money, you're usually a poo poo.
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Zenithe posted:What's happened to Garret? His channel is completely gone, not even banned or anything, just not there anymore. Not sure, but I thought he made a new channel.
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Youtube never fixed the loophole where if you get permabanned you can run another channel as long as you claim to not to be the owner of the new channel.
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I don't know too much but Garrett is taking an indefinite amount of time off for personal reasons. Think he's struggling with some things in his personal life
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it shaun posted:I don't know too much but Garrett is taking an indefinite amount of time off for personal reasons. Think he's struggling with some things in his personal life I found a weird vid where he was cross with his subscribers about something, but that wasn't on his channel, so I am unsure if it was true.
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https://milkleaks.com/ A compilation of Baked Alaska's many self owns
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Does anyone know what's going on with Xexizy? Seems like he's trying to jump ship from Left-Tube to alt-right and failing to endear himself to either. EDIT: Or maybe "I'm going to tell Communists what Marx really meant, and also I should get to say the n-word" Praseodymi fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Praseodymi posted:Does anyone know what's going on with Xexizy? Seems like he's trying to jump ship from Left-Tube to alt-right and failing to endear himself to either. Ugh... I follow him on Twitter. Is he really starting to list right-ward?
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Praseodymi posted:EDIT: Or maybe "I'm going to tell Communists what Marx really meant, and also I should get to say the n-word"
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Guavanaut posted:Negation? If he can explain what Marx really meant by it then he can say it. Nah, I saw him claiming something like, Marx never thought that socialism was a transition stage, and I saw him say that he would stop using slurs on twitter but still used them in /leftypol/ because "That's just what it's like". EDIT: And also doing an anti-idpol rant, but I haven't watched that yet. Praseodymi fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Praseodymi posted:Nah, I saw him claiming something like, Marx never thought that socialism was a transition stage,  I mean I'm pretty sure my copy of the manifesto is fairly explicit about that... OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Dick Coughlan is the MVP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N31sJZIaDkM
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Praseodymi posted:EDIT: And also doing an anti-idpol rant, but I haven't watched that yet. rants against idpol just give off a bad vibe. i think a bit of "idpol" (give it a different name here if you want) is useful and necessary for leftist organizing in deeply unequal societies, like in basically any (formerly) colonial society. criticism of it is also necessary, because if it can't be criticized then you'll have terrible people abusing it, like the clinton campaign did. though brocialists ranting against idpol is pretty bad, mostly because they use criticism against idpol to excuse their lovely condescending behavior towards ethnic minorities and other oppressed groups, and anyone criticizing them for it is just someone brainwashed by idpol or whatever.
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Midig posted:Dick Coughlan is the MVP. Coughlan owns and I hope he got some new viewership from the talk with Contra and all that too.
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OwlFancier posted:Why does programming give people more of a god complex than physics despite physics being far more deserving of the title? there are two types of physicists, the humble ones like feynman etc. and the ones who realize they can't carry out their ego-stroking within the field of physics and take their god complex to other fields. a good example is greg cochran, a guy who believes that gay people are gay because of a pathogen. guess how much evidence he has for that. though there's a lot more to be said about him than just that. 
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Fututor Magnus posted:there are two types of physicists, the humble ones like feynman etc. and the ones who realize they can't carry out their ego-stroking within the field of physics and take their god complex to other fields. a good example is greg cochran, a guy who believes that gay people are gay because of a pathogen. guess how much evidence he has for that. though there's a lot more to be said about him than just that. I call this the reverse Dunning-Krueger: when you're so smart/capable in one field, you're totally blindsided by the fact that your expertise is very narrow and doesn't map on to any other discipline.
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Fututor Magnus posted:rants against idpol just give off a bad vibe. i think a bit of "idpol" (give it a different name here if you want) is useful and necessary for leftist organizing in deeply unequal societies, like in basically any (formerly) colonial society. criticism of it is also necessary, because if it can't be criticized then you'll have terrible people abusing it, like the clinton campaign did. though brocialists ranting against idpol is pretty bad, mostly because they use criticism against idpol to excuse their lovely condescending behavior towards ethnic minorities and other oppressed groups, and anyone criticizing them for it is just someone brainwashed by idpol or whatever. I watched his video, he literally said "Ending capitalism will and sexism". He's even getting called out by (people I would describe as) tankie you tubers like FinnishBolshevik for being a brocialist. FinnBoll did a pretty good response to it actually, saying that idpol is a useless term, because identity politics is fine, it's when people do it Liberally or apolitically that's the problem. Praseodymi fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Crossposting from the libertarian thread: "If White Supremacy is real, then how come Asians are the only minority that do better than Whites, libtards?  "https://www.reddit.com/r/ColinsLastStand/comments/72pqo9/colin_racism_white_supremacy_and_asian_americans/ quote:If there was racism under every rock and around every corner, then how in the hell did Asian Americans outpace White Americans in affluence indicators? It's a simple question. quote:I literally COMPLIMENTED ASIAN AMERICANS and pointed to their DEMONSTRABLE STATISTICAL SUCCESS, asking how if racism was so systematic against all minorities, how can their success be so tangible? It's a question worth asking because, when squared with the Oppression Olympics, it MAKES NO loving SENSE. quote:I'm flatly saying that the fringe, identity-obsessed left cannot reconcile Asian American success as a group with their projection of white supremacy. Because, plainly, Asian Americans would be doing far worse than White America -- not demonstrably better -- if "White Supremacy" was actually a nefarious and active force against all minorities.
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Mr Interweb posted:Crossposting from the libertarian thread: Heck, I can answer this one in like two sentences: racism exists on a curve and even includes so-called "positive" racism. The lighter your skin, the less racism your experience. Asians also get the benefit of a lot of "positive" racism or stereotypes that make them "model" immigrants suited for specific types of high-paying jobs (programming, accounting, etc). Finally, there is a good chance that a lot of asian immigrants to the US are already coming in with some level of wealth and above-average educations. Ok, that was like four sentences.
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Mr Interweb posted:Crossposting from the libertarian thread: Somebody tell that guy about Jews.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Heck, I can answer this one in like two sentences: racism exists on a curve and even includes so-called "positive" racism. The lighter your skin, the less racism your experience. Asians also get the benefit of a lot of "positive" racism or stereotypes that make them "model" immigrants suited for specific types of high-paying jobs (programming, accounting, etc). Finally, there is a good chance that a lot of asian immigrants to the US are already coming in with some level of wealth and above-average educations. there's a large divergence, there are quite a few wealthy asian immigrants and asian american families have tended to do well in academia and white collar work there's also a shitload of poor asian immigrants and asian americans. like for every han chinese family sending their kids to excellent schools there's a hmong family with a breadwinner washing dishes at a mexican restaurant
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I'm an Asian guy who fears the alt-right or the "alt-center" (or whatever the fedora crowd is branding itself now) successfully courting Asian American males to their cause. But then I just show them reddit and twitter threads where white libertarian fucks try to argue that Asians are more privileged than white people.
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Keep those Ian Miles Cheong tweets handy too, just to demonstrate what kind of asian male goes nazi. Also as proof that not all asians are smart.
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