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Can't the party leadership put Edano as leader since he was second placed during the elections? Or Renhou, or anyone else? At least they should scramble to get a candidate for the elections.
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Does Japan have any Bernie Sanders analogues? Or do they only exist in Persona 5?
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I Love Annie May posted:Can't the party leadership put Edano as leader since he was second placed during the elections? Or Renhou, or anyone else? At least they should scramble to get a candidate for the elections. I mean, he hasn't left yet. Presumably this either ends with the left-wing of the DP or Maehara-wing leaving, and it's not clear to me based on English language sources which it's going to be.
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False alarm hopefully on the DP imploding https://twitter.com/CoreyJWallace/status/913045914192891905 The first polls show Koike's party mostly taking votes from the LDP and from nonvoters, the DP's numbers are unchanged. If the DP survives the election hopefully the LDP/Hope Party implode into backstabbing chaos. Maybe Koike will drive Abe out of his own party and become PM?
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quote:民進党の前原誠司代表は28日午前の党執行役員会で、衆院選に向け、小池百合子東京都知事が代表を務める新党「希望の党」に事実上合流する方針を示した。民進党候補の公認を希望に申請した上で、同党に判断を委ねる。午後の党両院議員総会で全議員に説明する。ただ、急な路線転換に党内は混乱しており、総会では反発も予想される。
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Grouchio posted:Does Japan have any Bernie Sanders analogues? Or do they only exist in Persona 5?
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shrike82 posted:
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6255574 loving lol. TL;DR/CRML: both the bit about DP working with PoH and Maehara running as an independent are true, though it seems that Koike and PoH give up absolutely nothing in the "deal".
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This is a complete farce. I don't care if Tomin First/Koike have some sort of momentum right now. I can't believe that a party that was created a few days ago and doesn't even have an actual platform yet is going to be able to become a serious opposition party, let alone this "与党になるか野党になるか分からない" bullshit. Also, it doesn't even matter how Kibou no Tou actually fares. It has already destroyed the DP, and Koike is farther right than the DP was on average, so regardless of the specific outcome of the election, Japanese politics are going to be moved rightward. I guess at least Koike has succeeded in "aufhebening" the gently caress out of the DP though. mystes fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Abe-s-snap-election/Get-behind-Koike-Japan-opposition-chief-proposes-de-facto-disbandment Holy poo poo he's really doing it Look forward to the LDP being the most liberal major party in the Diet, after the loss to Koike prompts them to remove Abe and replace with Kishida icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Also, say goodbye to opposition coordination https://twitter.com/kevinmeyerson/status/913256971897233408 And more or less confirmation that the left wing of the DP will be filtered out https://twitter.com/kevinmeyerson/status/913219272347807744 Holy poo poo what a disaster icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Hello is this what the DP looks like right now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inIuYren8jg
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CottonWolf posted:How is Maehara so bad? How can you be so incompetent and still manage to become leader? It's genuinely baffling. Have a look at the list of DPJ leaders. It's the same five people shuffling in and out endlessly. Grouchio posted:Does Japan have any Bernie Sanders analogues? Or do they only exist in Persona 5? Kenji Utsunomiya is about as close as you'd get, but he got pushed out of the metro election in 2015 by the anti-nuclear candidates. Which reminds me, gently caress FPTP voting forever.
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So what are liberal voters going to do?
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Badger of Basra posted:So what are liberal voters going to do? Vote for DP candidates that don't get Hope endorsements, vote for JCP, stay home
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lmao http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK9X5CPYK9XUTFK019.html?iref=comtop_8_01 quote:進次郎氏「なんで万歳するんですか、合理的理由ない」
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It's funny because I saw that on the news tonight and immediately turned to my wife and asked "what the gently caress did they do that for"
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That sounds like the Hashimoto approach of trying to get attention by being pointlessly argumentative.
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Badger of Basra posted:So what are liberal voters going to do? They'll probably vote for Koike. She's presenting herself as a liberal, and to be fair, she probably is compared to Abe at least on non-China/Korea issues Also, I'm looking forward to the Western op-eds hailing Koike as Japan's Merkel and Macron all in one icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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icantfindaname posted:They'll probably vote for Koike. She's presenting herself as a liberal, and to be fair, she probably is compared to Abe at least on non-China/Korea issues She's presenting her party as a tolerant reformist conservative party: 小池都知事：「寛容な改革保守」掲げ、新党結成－衆院転出は否定 Related to that article and its headline, she seems to be protesting rumors of her returning to the House of Representatives just a *tad* too much.
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I mean liberal in the beyond-left-and-right Radical Centrist sense, not the left-liberal/social democratic sense. Macron actually is a good comparison probably Also, look who's back! https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Japan-opposition-Democratic-Party-eyes-merging-with-Liberals quote:Japan opposition Democratic Party eyes merging with Liberals 
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icantfindaname posted:I mean liberal in the beyond-left-and-right Radical Centrist sense, not the left-liberal/social democratic sense. Macron actually is a good comparison probably The Shingetsu News Agency guy was saying that Ozawa might be behind all this craziness. BTW, リベラル means basically the same thing as liberal in the US (slur against non-conservatives that got somewhat embraced by them), so trotting out alternative (maybe more useful) definitions of it is bound to cause confusion. Best to use it modified (social, classical, neo-) or avoid it.
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Mr. Fix It posted:The Shingetsu News Agency guy was saying that Ozawa might be behind all this craziness. That's weird that they use the English loanword What about 自由 and 進歩? I guess 自由 has connotations of libertarian/free market liberalism? Is 進歩 used as a self-descriptor by people on the left, or is it mostly リベラル? It's in the name of the DP at least icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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自由 is basically referring to 自由主義 which is liberalism in the sense of classical liberalism. I don't think 進歩 really implies that much in the way of a specific political position. Technically I guess "進歩主義" means progressivism and should be the opposite of conservatism, but I don't think it sounds particularly leftist in the sense of the modern right/left spectrum. mystes fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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So リベラル is the only, or at least the most widespread, general term for left-of-center politics? Assuming that socialism/社会主義 is dead and buried at this point
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There's 左翼 of course, but I think that both 右翼 and 左翼 tend to be used more in a negative way, so I think maybe 保守 / リベラル are used because they sound more neutral?
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icantfindaname posted:I mean liberal in the beyond-left-and-right Radical Centrist sense, not the left-liberal/social democratic sense. Macron actually is a good comparison probably jesus christ. this is some that-which-is-not-dead-may-eternal-lie poo poo.
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A big flaming stink posted:jesus christ. this is some that-which-is-not-dead-may-eternal-lie poo poo. I mean, he's been at it for 30 years, you have to admire that dedication. If Abe gets to be one of the longest serving PMs in Japan's history just for being the grandson of a fascist war criminal, Ozawa at least deserves a shot at it
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skimming thru Japan Times and came across this column https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2017/08/27/voices/love-japan-led-stop-dating-women/#.Wc78nGiCwuU quote:How a love of Japan led me to stop dating its women 
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https://twitter.com/ShingetsuNews/status/913962976872247297 https://twitter.com/MichaelTCucek/status/914038844751618049 Final nail in the Democratic Party's coffin. I'm guessing the remains of the liberal wing will eventually coalesce in a new party.
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Can you guys post summaries when you do this? Not everyone interested in Japanese politics is also fluent in Japanese.
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Grand Fromage posted:Can you guys post summaries when you do this? Not everyone interested in Japanese politics is also fluent in Japanese. When the House of Represntatives is being dissolved, after the imperial order is read, there is a custom that all the MPs shout "banzai" which is something that is customarily done in moments of celebration, even though the dissolution of the House of Representatives is not necessarily actually cause for celebration for the MPs personally since it means they have to run for reelection to get their job back. In this case, Shinjiro Koizumi didn't do this, and then when asked why, he explained that he didn't because it's illogical. He then went on to say that they shouldn't just do things because they are customs, and that they should eliminate everything illogical.
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Getting the old band back together: Edano to create new Democratic Party (民主党) https://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6255968 Not a done deal quite yet, but the reporting is that it will be a party for all the liberals not merging with Hope.
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They should really try a different name.
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They should call it the 日本社会党 Or, just (re)join the SDP? Why not that? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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icantfindaname posted:They should call it the 日本社会党 I think any attempts to resuscitate the Japanese Socialist Party would be DOA. That's what the Social Democratic Party was and they peaked at 19 seats 17 years ago. Why merge with that lot and their baggage when you can coordinate and have most of the same benefits? edit: oh, and the (J)DP was never part of the Socialist party, it was formed from the parties that splintered from the LDP or formed separately in the early 90s. Mr. Fix It fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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So nobody posted that it's going to be the Constitutional Democratic Party yet?
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mystes posted:So nobody posted that it's going to be the Constitutional Democratic Party yet? 
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mystes posted:So nobody posted that it's going to be the Constitutional Democratic Party yet? Sorry  Edano's Constitutional Democratic Party (立憲民主党) has now officially registered as a political party with six members listed. There's another 11 from Hokkaido that are expected to join. From the other camp, reports are that Hope Party gonna field around 190 candidates. https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/videonews/ann?a=20171003-00000010-ann-pol
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https://twitter.com/kmokmos/status/915112146748416000 For those who can't read Japanese, Natsuo Yamaguchi, representative for Komeito in Tokyo, said that his colleagues who sit in opposition parties "are not right in the head".
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