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Young Freud posted:True, but even Pris was dangerous. Her background working in military clubs supposedly equaled to her having some sort of combat ability, which is why she initially kicked Deckard's rear end. And, even in the short, the slim and tiny hookeroid picks up and throws out a 300-400 pound trucker onto the street from a moving vehicle and then tears through a car loads of armed security guards. atrus50 posted:most important poart of anime 
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Reviews are coming in. Has anyone spoiled the issue of Deckard's status as a human or replicant yet?
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Sep 27, 2017 11:40
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Yeesh, that anime was 100% unengaging. I enjoyed the first two shorts, but this lacked focus.
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Sep 27, 2017 12:13
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Reviews are coming in. Has anyone spoiled the issue of Deckard's status as a human or replicant yet? Ridley Scott had said Deckard was a replicant.
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Sep 27, 2017 13:19
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david_a posted:You could tell that Pris wasn't actually very good at it, though. Less flipping and she could have easily killed Deckard but it felt like violence wasn't terribly natural for her. And that was only because Hannah suggested it. Originally she was just going to knock him down and then try to force his hand into an exposed motor.
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Sep 27, 2017 14:02
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Young Freud posted:Another point, why even disable the lifespan limit? The original movie even states the four-year lifespan is to prevent them from forming their own emotions that eventually causes them to question themselves and go rogue. "Tyrell Corp, I understand your reasoning for the lifespan limit. However, the cost of buying new replicants every four years risks my bonu--I mean, is prohibitively expensive! We're buying armies to fight offworld wars, for chrissakes! Either lower your price or increase their lifespan!" I thought it odd that so many have said they dislike this short. I felt it was better than the other two, captured the spirit of the original movie perfectly, and was easy to follow. I could watch and entire movie of this.
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Cheesus posted:I thought it odd that so many have said they dislike this short. I felt it was better than the other two, captured the spirit of the original movie perfectly, and was easy to follow. I could watch and entire movie of this.
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Sep 27, 2017 14:29
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It looked pretty as all hell. That shot of the buildings lined up the as the truck trundles into view, for example.
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Sep 27, 2017 14:43
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Yeah, the anime short was rad but super derivative of the first film. Also felt a lot like the Second Renaissance shorts from Animatrix in that it's way more interested in giving background exposition than telling a story. Pretty, though, and cool. But the fact that it didn't even have original music was disappointing.
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Sep 27, 2017 15:41
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Was that Adele on the credits of the anime short?
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Sep 27, 2017 17:27
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Was that Adele on the credits of the anime short? I thought that too, but it's a soundalike. I forget the name but it's towards the end of the credits.
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah, the anime short was rad but super derivative of the first film. Also felt a lot like the Second Renaissance shorts from Animatrix in that it's way more interested in giving background exposition than telling a story. Pretty, though, and cool. But the fact that it didn't even have original music was disappointing. It was scored by Flying Lotus?
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Sep 27, 2017 18:06
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Apparently David Bowie was Villeneuve's first choice to play Leto's character. Add another to the "wish I lived in that universe" movie list.
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Sep 27, 2017 19:23
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lol @ the Extremely Anime dialogue bit where that one kid is like "I get it. Humans are stupid, selfish liars but replicants are different!"
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Sep 28, 2017 00:44
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Milky Moor posted:lol @ the Extremely Anime dialogue bit where that one kid is like "I get it. Humans are stupid, selfish liars but replicants are different!"
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Sep 28, 2017 03:37
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As is usual with anime, that clip made no loving sense
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Sep 28, 2017 10:05
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lol if you can't understand the anime how in the hell are you going to understand the actual film?
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Sep 28, 2017 10:25
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The story was simple and had excessively clear exposition?
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I kind of wish they just didn't waste time creating all this other ancillary media to Blade Runner 2049 because none of it is very good. And I generally liked the Prometheus shorts.
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Sep 28, 2017 14:12
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I wonder if zimmer is done with the score I'll be very disappointed if it's just normal bwaaah poo poo
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Sep 28, 2017 16:08
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Review embargo was moved up to this Friday. I hope this means that the studio is confident in the product.
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Cheesus posted:Capitalism 101. Like planned obsolescence isn't a tenet of modern late-stage capitalism. And if they got a particularly exceptional example, Tyrell would just clone the hell out of them and use implanted memories in Roy Batty 2.0 and future iteration. Speaking of which, I found it an unique absence that Blackout 2022 didn't have a Nexus 7.
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Young Freud posted:Like planned obsolescence isn't a tenet of modern late-stage capitalism.
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Sep 28, 2017 19:30
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Since nothing happens to Batty's body when he times out at the end of BR, they probably just "recycle" him by reflashing his brain or something.
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hyphz posted:Since nothing happens to Batty's body when he times out at the end of BR, they probably just "recycle" him by reflashing his brain or something. At least that's how I've thought of them since I first saw the original movie. And I think that that would be thematically appropriate given that the film's initial ambiguity surrounding their humanity is effectively resolved by Batty's dying actions and speech. Edit: like, the whole debate about is Deckard a replicant or not is a fun one to have (assuming that you're talking about a version of the film without the unicorn dream, which seems pretty conclusive). But that debate is really missing the point that, from a moral perspective, there's no difference between a human and a replicant. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 19:46
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That would match with the conversation Batty and Tyrell have. The technobabble is actually fairly accurate for what they're talking about. The replicants are precisely engineered robots but are "grown" rather than "built." Scott says as much on various commentary tracks. When they talk about extending their lives the conversation is about preventing the degeneritive ecfects of their cells dying off suddenly (compared to a human) and how this group of Nexus 6es are so delicately designed that even a small modification might extend life for a bit but result in weird degenerative side effects that would be as bad/worse than just coming to a full stop. There's no memory transfer or anything like that, each one is a unique being, which is kind of the point of the story. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 20:07
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Hmm. In DADoES the replicants/androids died after 4 years because they were organic and their cells could not be regenerated from natural decay. But I thought the film made clear that the limit was artificial in that version.
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hyphz posted:Hmm. In DADoES the replicants/androids died after 4 years because they were organic and their cells could not be regenerated from natural decay. But I thought the film made clear that the limit was artificial in that version. Even if it didn't, breakthroughs in medical engineering happen all the time. We've had dozens of promising studies that could change our lives forever come out in the past two or three years alone.
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hyphz posted:Hmm. In DADoES the replicants/androids died after 4 years because they were organic and their cells could not be regenerated from natural decay. But I thought the film made clear that the limit was artificial in that version. In the movie Bryant tells Deckard that Tyrell "installed a failproof device" in the form of a four-year lifespan, which does make it seem artificial. However in the now apocryphal voice-over narration, Deckard says that Rachel didn't have a termination date so they could live happily ever, which would indicate it was maybe a bluff? Doesn't matter now though since the original cut has been relegated to the trash bin of history.
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exquisite tea posted:In the movie Bryant tells Deckard that Tyrell "installed a failproof device" in the form of a four-year lifespan, which does make it seem artificial. However in the now apocryphal voice-over narration, Deckard says that Rachel didn't have a termination date so they could live happily ever, which would indicate it was maybe a bluff? Doesn't matter now though since the original cut has been relegated to the trash bin of history. I figured that since she was Tyrell's personal replicant, he just left out the failsafe for her.
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Neo Rasa posted:That would match with the conversation Batty and Tyrell have. The technobabble is actually fairly accurate for what they're talking about. The replicants are precisely engineered robots but are "grown" rather than "built." Scott says as much on various commentary tracks. DADES and the original Fancher script stated them as "androids". Both "replicants" and that whole Tyrell-Batty dialogue came from David Webb Peoples and his daughter, who was a UCLA biochemistry undergrad. I believe replicant came from her discussing cell division and referring to the result of the process as replicant. Neo Rasa posted:When they talk about extending their lives the conversation is about preventing the degeneritive ecfects of their cells dying off suddenly (compared to a human) and how this group of Nexus 6es are so delicately designed that even a small modification might extend life for a bit but result in weird degenerative side effects that would be as bad/worse than just coming to a full stop. There's no memory transfer or anything like that, each one is a unique being, which is kind of the point of the story. Memory implants are a thing in Blade Runner. Rachel has implanted memories from Tyrell's niece. While it's not conscious transfer in transhuman fiction, it would give the resemblance of a continuity of memory to an external observer.
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Young Freud posted:DADES and the original Fancher script stated them as "androids". Both "replicants" and that whole Tyrell-Batty dialogue came from David Webb Peoples and his daughter, who was a UCLA biochemistry undergrad. I believe replicant came from her discussing cell division and referring to the result of the process as replicant. Yeah but nothing about the terms "android," "robot," etc. strictly means "built with copper wiring and circuit boards." The book itself goes with that too. The only 100% way to know if someone is an android in the book is to take a sample of their bone marrow and have a test run on it in a lab. There's a huge gap between memory implants and what some people in the thread are suggesting that one's entire collective thought can be copy/pasted 1:1 into a new body just vecause that would change the instant the new person starts perceiving anything. I'd say that Rachel's situation is pretty different from that. I got the impression that a lot of impactful things from early childhood were placed in her and the rest was her mind filling in the gaps based on that (just since the replicants in the movie enter the world as adults).
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Neo Rasa posted:Yeah but nothing about the terms "android," "robot," etc. strictly means "built with copper wiring and circuit boards." The book itself goes with that too. The only 100% way to know if someone is an android in the book is to take a sample of their bone marrow and have a test run on it in a lab. I'm not sure if we can bring up apocryphal material, but there was a plotline that was deleted in BR, but you can still find bits in the Syd Mead book or the Final Cut extras that Eldon Tyrell was long dead, stuffed in a cryogenic sarcophagus over a pool of liquid nitrogen, and a replicant or replicants of him, presumably with memory implants, was running things while he awaited for "him" or his scientists to unlock immortality for him.
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I wouldn't because I prefer it to be vague forcing us to ask if androids dream of...
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Sep 29, 2017 02:31
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Welp just read a review this morning that drops a pretty big spoiler right at the outset. If that sort of thing bothers you, you may want to avoid.
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Milky Moor posted:lol @ the Extremely Anime dialogue bit where that one kid is like "I get it. Humans are stupid, selfish liars but replicants are different!" I thought that was meant to be ironic, that the dude fell in love with his sex bot and is getting played. Japanese men turning to unhealthy artificial relationships has been a part of the country's dialogue for a while.
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Danger posted:Welp just read a review this morning that drops a pretty big spoiler right at the outset. If that sort of thing bothers you, you may want to avoid. Which review?
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I've read a handful of reviews and the closest thing I've seen to a spoiler basically just seemed like the premise. Gosling's character is a replicant. Apparently to get in to review screenings people had to sign heftier-than-usual NDAs restricting what they could cover.
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sean10mm posted:Which review? Not sure if this was the same one, but avoid the review posted on Vulture.
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sean10mm posted:Which review? Guardian has some pretty big spoilers beyond the obvious one I've seen elsewhere.
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