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Goon Danton posted:One of the twitter people reads / complains about this thread occasionally. Rev or Clark I think. Also that kantbot guy paid attention to us for about five minutes
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Puppy Time posted:I'm the assumption that a translady would have surgery on everything but the genitals That's actually not that uncommon. SRS is expensive and waiting lists are hella long because there are far less surgeons performing that procedure than there are doing boob jobs. There are also plenty of people that opt to go with what hormones replacement gets them, or get top surgery and don't want/can't go under the needle again for bottom. Of course it's only in the deranged minds of people who can't see transness as something other than a sexual perversion where those kinds of decisions are warped into some deliberate choice to entrap men and lesbians. Trans bodies: not a finger trap for your sexual identity.
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there wolf posted:That's actually not that uncommon. SRS is expensive and waiting lists are hella long because there are far less surgeons performing that procedure than there are doing boob jobs. There are also plenty of people that opt to go with what hormones replacement gets them, or get top surgery and don't want/can't go under the needle again for bottom. Of course it's only in the deranged minds of people who can't see transness as something other than a sexual perversion where those kinds of decisions are warped into some deliberate choice to entrap men and lesbians. Trans bodies: not a finger trap for your sexual identity. My wife and every transperson I know except one is opting to skip bottom surgery, because most of the dysphoria for them comes from everything else about themselves that they can't hide behind clothes. The only one who's actually getting it is incredibly psychologically bothered by her genitals specifically, in addition to the whole dysphoria about the rest of her body. Of course this person clearly doesn't actually know anything about that and is just a moron whose entire education on the subject comes from porn so 
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I'm one of those folks who generally rolls their eyes at conspiracies and such, but when I look at the Trans issue, I can't help but feel like it is a global conspiracy to colonize not just womanhood, but all female spaces, all female sports, all female jobs, all-female anything. Since when have pharmaceutical companies made drugs so quickly and so easily available? It usually takes years of testing to get a drug approved for any given use. Since when have American politicians worked together so easily to get all of these bills passed? Since when was the idea of thought crime upheld as a great idea by the left? I wish I knew how to create and spread social contagion because radical feminism is what I would spread! The key to any trend seems to be getting rich white dudes on board and there is NO WAY to "market" radical feminism to them since it doesn't get them anything.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I'm one of those folks who generally rolls their eyes at conspiracies and such, but when I look at the Trans issue, I can't help but feel like it is a global conspiracy to colonize not just womanhood, but all female spaces, all female sports, all female jobs, all-female anything. source your quotes
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420 Gank Mid posted:source your quotes The fact that Primogeniture has been excepted from the new Gender Identification Bill in the UK says exactly who benefits from this madness; men, especially powerful white men. The passing of titles from father to son will not include women who identify as male. Says it all.
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420 Gank Mid posted:source your quotes I don't think you're familiar with LoB's gimmick friend e: Yeah when you ask you just get another one, like that
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Though I'm real curious what the hell they're referring to when they sayquote:Since when have pharmaceutical companies made drugs so quickly and so easily available? It usually takes years of testing to get a drug approved for any given use. Like do they think trans hormones and anti-androgens are magically different from the ones the pharm companies were already producing for other things 
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ate all the Oreos posted:Though I'm real curious what the hell they're referring to when they say No you see, I dont put much stock into conspiracy theories but actually *vomits distilled culture war induced psychosis onto a page*
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The passing of titles from father to son will not include women who identify as male. Says it all. Aristocrats are reactionaries entrenched in cultural norms from 1000 years ago? You don't say!
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420 Gank Mid posted:No you see, I dont put much stock into conspiracy theories but actually *vomits distilled culture war induced psychosis onto a page* The ultimate goal is to destroy ALL protected classes since there is no such thing as protected classes based on immutable traits according to these queer theory/trans/postmodernist morons. They are all "social constructs." There will be no more civil rights laws protecting minorities, the disabled, and women since physical and biological realities are social constructs and are as a matter of individual whim. It plays right into the far right libertarian mindset that there should be no restraints on "wealth accumulation" no matter if it hurts others. The end result of this insanity, mark my words, will be the abolition of age-of-consent laws, which will legalize pedophilia. After all, age is a social construct, too, not a biological reality. Judith Butler and her ilk are the absolute scum of the earth.
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I still don't get why anyone cares what a trans person's genitals are unless they're actually in a sexual relationship with them. It's like getting mad that someone uses a CPAP machine. The very idea that if you were sleeping with them it might wake you up disturbs you on some fundamental level.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I still don't get why anyone cares what a trans person's genitals are unless they're actually in a sexual relationship with them. It's like getting mad that someone uses a CPAP machine. The very idea that if you were sleeping with them it might wake you up disturbs you on some fundamental level. MTT only want to be women visually and when it suits them to claim oppression. They are so uninterested in losing any of the privilege that comes with being male that a large majority still keep their penis and expect to use it. They can't even give up their more basic privilege to cum during every PIV interaction. They would never surrender their legal privileges over us.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I'm one of those folks who generally rolls their eyes at conspiracies and such, but when I look at the Trans issue, I can't help but feel like it is a global conspiracy to colonize not just womanhood, but all female spaces, all female sports, all female jobs, all-female anything. this is the sort of quote where you can play "TERF or Nazi?" you'll be amazed how small the difference is
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The fact that Primogeniture has been excepted from the new Gender Identification Bill in the UK says exactly who benefits from this madness; men, especially powerful white men. The passing of titles from father to son will not include women who identify as male. Says it all.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:According to the results of Washington insider and Harvard marketing specialist Mark "Mara" Keisling's NCTE online transgender survey, over 20% of male transgenders who identify as transwomen have zero sexual encounters before they undergo medical transition. This reflects the changing demographic of male transgender: Porn addicted, autism spectrum, "Incel", basement dwelling misfits now account for one out of every five males identifying as transwomen. While Blanchard's old typology accounted for hetero autogynephiles and feminine gay men who sought an increase in social status through transing, this new demographic features alienated heterosexual social losers who also adopt (like gay men) a transgender persona to improve their social functioning. These are the literal perpetual male virgins whose lack of social skills drive them to adopt a trans persona in order to bypass their reduced status as creepy male weirdo. Thats what I think. Not two types of TW, but 4. One, the gay type, 2, the AGPs. Then 3, the really suffering people with a terrible brain miswire that makes them feel like they are the guy in Metamorphosis and their body is as alien as that. The ones who really do deserve support. and now, the 4th kind: the incels. But wow, one in five are now the real woman-haters. this accounts for the stories of taking down posts about endo and breast cancer. They'd be glad to hear of rotting wombs and FGM, because according to them, women's sexual characteristics are what give them unwarranted power over men. So to hear a woman is in agony with ovarian cancer or her vagina is damaged would please them. But it should be studied why there are so many of these men. There didnt use to be. Most people ended up with a mate. What has happened? I think its partly to do with the fact that nowadays, instead of most women looking ordinary and the average school having maybe one or two really pretty girls, now, thanks to gyms, fake tans, implants and the whole sexualised thing, there are a lot of girls termed hot. And a lot of girls who are overweight. Then add the 'self-esteem' stuff, teaching kids from birth they are little princes who deserve the best...then have a society that says being hot is the best..so the 'best' girl isnt the one you are compatible with but the one who looks most like porn...then add porn...then also, add the ending of social rules. Used to be lots of rules even the autistic could learn: table manners and such, things that can help rewire the autistic brain, help it pick up more rules...note how often these people love the 1920s and 30s, a time of clothing rules. Some of them even affect these clothes. Put all this together, and you have a dangerous seething man, who has been informed daily what the 'best' woman is...and that he deserves it. But he isnt getting it...and it cant be down to him. Must be women who are stupid. God alone knows what they think of the handmaidens who crawl and apologize and bend over backwards for them...how they must despise them. A man who is totally floundering, because there are no obvious social rules anymore, its all so subtle now. Isolated further by the internet from real communication. And autism creates enormous physical sensitivity, so the usual 'blue balls' will likely be a lot worse for them. Their minds are going to occupied every minute with why-dont-I-have-a-girlfriend...like Elliot Rodgers. These men are very dangerous. There have now been several shootings...the Columbine killings were also down to being left out of the beautiful people parties and about not getting laid. That stupid book made out Eric Harris was a psychopath: it almost made him movie-cool, in his black coat with his Uzi. The fact is, he was another ignored boy, not bullied...teased a bit...but he even wrote in his diary that if he could get laid, he'd call it off. Like these other killers, they feel adulthood is going to be more of the same, more being ignored by the girls they want. The many many girls they want, while they hate on the other girls they dont want as well. Maybe its time to identify these boys and see to it they get real therapy. That they learn how to socialize and learn how to see people as human..its not just women, they hate men too. Especially those who get the girls, but also the other ones like them. This seems to be a hell of a problem, seething away in those basements, walking past women every day and wishing they could rape and kill them. ..but it isnt their fault they are autistic, and their condition is being ignored or worse, laughed at.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:And autism creates enormous physical sensitivity, so the usual 'blue balls' will likely be a lot worse for them. That's not how autism works That's not how anything works
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Terrible Opinions posted:I still don't get why anyone cares what a trans person's genitals are unless they're actually in a sexual relationship with them. It's like getting mad that someone uses a CPAP machine. The very idea that if you were sleeping with them it might wake you up disturbs you on some fundamental level. Well in this case TERFs are generally mad that they're ~male spies~ who don't get the ~innate state of being a woman~ that is encompassed by their vagina powers divabot posted:this is the sort of quote where you can play "TERF or Nazi?" Speaking of, when's Phil's TERF essay coming out?
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ate all the Oreos posted:Speaking of, when's Phil's TERF essay coming out? gently caress knows. I know it's paining him with the stupidity though. I'm trying to keep nagging him about it down to once a month, I know it doesn't help. also I've written 0 text for the prospective "Roko's Basilisk" book
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My point is more that this is referring to a hand-picked translady who presumably has access to all this stuff, "surgeried to porn standards," but apparently while having all this alteration done, decided, "Well, I don't REALLY want a vagina that much." Obviously if there were a REAL trans conspiracy, she wouldn't bother because she'd be capable of just using her reptilian shapeshifting powers.
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so i mentioned terfs and nazis, and https://twitter.com/drcab1e/status/913314441411821569
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Puppy Time posted:My point is more that this is referring to a hand-picked translady who presumably has access to all this stuff, "surgeried to porn standards," but apparently while having all this alteration done, decided, "Well, I don't REALLY want a vagina that much." Actually it's because the dudes she's sleeping with love chicks with dicks. I can give you the exact quote but what it boils down to is MtFs are sexier to dudes than "real women" for reasons that the (insane) author takes to be so elementary she doesn't ever bother providing them.
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Puppy Time posted:My point is more that this is referring to a hand-picked translady who presumably has access to all this stuff, "surgeried to porn standards," but apparently while having all this alteration done, decided, "Well, I don't REALLY want a vagina that much." I think the point of confusion is that "surgeried to porn standards" isn't necessarily all that much surgery. Hormone therapy, laser hair removal, and a boob job can make radical changes for people, and all of those are far more accessible than SRS. TERFs aren't making up trans women with perfect porn-bodies but no bottom surgery; they're just laughably exaggerating how much surgery it can take to make a trans woman look like that.
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there wolf posted:I think the point of confusion is that "surgeried to porn standards" isn't necessarily all that much surgery. Hormone therapy, laser hair removal, and a boob job can make radical changes for people, and all of those are far more accessible than SRS. TERFs aren't making up trans women with perfect porn-bodies but no bottom surgery; they're just laughably exaggerating how much surgery it can take to make a trans woman look like that. If you're not built like a linebacker it's just FFS(probably mild FFS), boob job, and butt implants after laser. Three operations in total, only one of which being at all intensive.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Actually it's because the dudes she's sleeping with love chicks with dicks. I can give you the exact quote but what it boils down to is MtFs are sexier to dudes than "real women" for reasons that the (insane) author takes to be so elementary she doesn't ever bother providing them. So literally penis envy except in the weirdest possible way
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Relevant Tangent posted:Actually it's because the dudes she's sleeping with love chicks with dicks. I can give you the exact quote but what it boils down to is MtFs are sexier to dudes than "real women" for reasons that the (insane) author takes to be so elementary she doesn't ever bother providing them. I've gotten this from more verbose TERFs and it's basically that because the beauty ideal for a woman (represented by porn stars) is unrealistic and only achievable by surgery, trans women who have to get surgery to be women just go ahead and make the result that ideal; men are then so attracted to that ideal that genitals are irrelevant. Extra crazy version: trans women are just men who so fetishize that ideal woman's body, that they seek to become it so they can constantly be sexually stimulated by their own bodies.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Actually it's because the dudes she's sleeping with love chicks with dicks. I can give you the exact quote but what it boils down to is MtFs are sexier to dudes than "real women" for reasons that the (insane) author takes to be so elementary she doesn't ever bother providing them. * I dated one
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there wolf posted:I think the point of confusion is that "surgeried to porn standards" isn't necessarily all that much surgery. Hormone therapy, laser hair removal, and a boob job can make radical changes for people, and all of those are far more accessible than SRS. TERFs aren't making up trans women with perfect porn-bodies but no bottom surgery; they're just laughably exaggerating how much surgery it can take to make a trans woman look like that. Well, yes, I was assuming that the conspiracy theorizer who doesn't know poo poo about transpeople wouldn't know poo poo about transitioning. there wolf posted:Extra crazy version: trans women are just men who so fetishize that ideal woman's body, that they seek to become it so they can constantly be sexually stimulated by their own bodies. This is one of those beliefs that just falls apart after like five seconds of thinking about it, and yet somehow has managed to persist for decades. Which, um, I guess is most conspiracy theories. It's just always confused me how someone could come up with it, then keep on believing it and spread it to others, without at any point stopping and thinking, "Wait... this doesn't make any goddamn sense at all!" Maybe it's easier if you're already in that category of feminists who seem to believe that men are just universally inhuman beasts?
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90s Cringe Rock posted:gently caress off, Enatic-Cognatic Gavelkind is the only acceptable succession. Somebody is a big fan of succession crises
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Puppy Time posted:This is one of those beliefs that just falls apart after like five seconds of thinking about it, and yet somehow has managed to persist for decades. Which, um, I guess is most conspiracy theories. It's just always confused me how someone could come up with it, then keep on believing it and spread it to others, without at any point stopping and thinking, "Wait... this doesn't make any goddamn sense at all!" Bisexual gender dysphorics represent those cases in which the autogynephilic disorder gives rise to some secondary erotic interest in males that coexists with the individual's basic attraction to females. Autogynephilia, as indicated above, may find expression in the fantasy of having intercourse, as a woman, with a man. In bisexual gender dysphoria these fantasies are especially strong; they are therefore more likely to be actualized -- or rather, approximated, with anal or oral intercourse substituting for vaginal -- particularly with the bisexual gender dysphoric in partial or complete crossdress (Benjamin, 1967; Person and Ovesey, 1974b). The effective erotic stimulus in these interactions, however, is not the male physique of the partner, as it is in true homosexual attraction, but rather the thought of being a female, which is symbolized in the fantasy of being penetrated by a man. For these persons, the male sexual partner serves the same function as women's apparel or makeup, namely, to aid and intensify the fantasy of being a woman. Asexual gender dysphorics represent those cases in which the autogynephilic disorder nullifies or overshadows any erotic attraction to women; those cases, in Hirschfeld's metaphor, in which "the woman within" completely supplants her fleshly rivals. Lottery of Babylon has a new favorite as of 16:05 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Welp, that sure clears it up. Thanks, TERF who LoB is currently hosting!
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Lottery of Babylon posted:"the woman within" completely supplants her fleshly rivals. Holy gently caress this is hilarious.
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That reminds me, in the past I had to explain to an alt-right-leaning acquaintance of mine who was pretty sure they themselves were trans that no, just because their friends told them that they've only "got AGP" and they're dirty degenerates because of it doesn't mean it's true and actually that's a pretty bullshit explanation. I also suggested maybe go to a trans support group so they could meet actual people who have experience with this and not just rear end in a top hat internet fucks and they said "yeah I probably should but it's so hard having to censor myself around beta cuck SJWs!" Whatever the hell is in the red pill is a hell of a drug
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Remember that Less Wrong blogger who went off about how we were sure to program AIs wrong and doom the human race if we kept treating transwomen as women instead of men with auto-gynephilia http://unremediatedgender.space/2017/Jan/from-what-ive-tasted-of-desire/
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Remember that Less Wrong blogger who went off about how we were sure to program AIs wrong and doom the human race if we kept treating transwomen as women instead of men with auto-gynephilia I want this guy to rewrite this entire essay but with a different form of science denial every week. quote:With social reality placing such tight constraints on perception of actual reality, our chances of developing the advanced epistemology needed to rise to the occasion of solving the alignment problem seem slim at best. (If we can't put our weight down on the right answer to a really easy scientific question like rising sea levels and increasing global temperatures—which lots of people just notice without having to do careful research—then what hope do we have for hard problems?)
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Puppy Time posted:Welp, that sure clears it up. Thanks, TERF who LoB is currently hosting! Huh, LoB are you a plural collection?
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prisoner of waffles posted:Huh, LoB are you a plural collection? You're just goading them into looking for Nazi headmates, at this point
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Goon Danton posted:You're just goading them into looking for Nazi headmates, at this point Frankly some edgy teen who thinks one of their headmates is hitler would be a nice palate cleanser
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ate all the Oreos posted:Frankly some edgy teen who thinks one of their headmates is hitler would be a nice palate cleanser 
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Josef bugman posted:Holy gently caress this is hilarious. *gasp* It's not hilarious, it's Science, and if you do anything to move politically against the scientists who are pushing those theories, than you are en evil person who is against the very foundation of Western society, just exactly the same as a creationist.
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