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JUST MAKING CHILI posted:Turns out that guy was linking this: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/model-estimates/tax-units-zero-or-negative-income-tax/tax-units-zero-or-negative-income-tax "Well if those boomer fucks would hurry and die then that number will drop."
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Remember that Joe The Pumber is only famous because he aggressively didn't understand marginal tax rates, even after Candidate Obama patiently explained it to him.
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Also he isn't named Joe and isn't a plumber.
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The only problem with police unions is that every other union should have that same level of power. Police unions defend some pretty abhorrent poo poo, but I'm not inclined to begrudge them for that since defending cops is literally their sole reason for existing, and taking issue with that means undermining the very point of unions. The question is why they have so much power when most other public unions are essentially powerless, to say nothing of private unions.
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Sep 29, 2017 13:27
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Main Paineframe posted:The question is why they have so much power when most other public unions are essentially powerless, to say nothing of private unions. Because their union members can murder you with no consequences.
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Main Paineframe posted:The only problem with police unions is that every other union should have that same level of power. Police unions defend some pretty abhorrent poo poo, but I'm not inclined to begrudge them for that since defending cops is literally their sole reason for existing, and taking issue with that means undermining the very point of unions. The question is why they have so much power when most other public unions are essentially powerless, to say nothing of private unions. Other unions have a history of getting broken and or demonized. You can call in the cops to break up a dock worker's strike.
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Since police unions always support Republicans, any union-busting law will specifically exclude them.
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Main Paineframe posted:The only problem with police unions is that every other union should have that same level of power. Police unions defend some pretty abhorrent poo poo, but I'm not inclined to begrudge them for that since defending cops is literally their sole reason for existing, and taking issue with that means undermining the very point of unions. The question is why they have so much power when most other public unions are essentially powerless, to say nothing of private unions. No, the actual problem with police unions is that they never show solidarity with other workers, and are actively a tool of the oppressive ruling class.
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Main Paineframe posted:The only problem with police unions is that every other union should have that same level of power. Police unions defend some pretty abhorrent poo poo, but I'm not inclined to begrudge them for that since defending cops is literally their sole reason for existing, and taking issue with that means undermining the very point of unions. The question is why they have so much power when most other public unions are essentially powerless, to say nothing of private unions. Unions really should have awareness of their position in society though. Even something like solidarity strikes or political strikes require unions to look further than just their membership. Unions are good because they protect against the predation of capital and bosses, not because they serve their membership. They're not championed on the left because workers deserve cool exclusive clubs too. A union needs to be an organisation that improves society through fighting for its members against employer abuse, not fighting against changes needed for a healthier society. Protecting crooked cops and preventing necessary changes to law enforcement is not a good thing and disqualifies them from being a good union. That's even before we get into how police break other unions.
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Majorian posted:Is facebook's algorithm going to target Stein ads towards people who usually consume right-wing content, though? Seems unlikely to me, but I don't know much about online advertising. Facebook ads are targeted by different category breakdowns for each ad. Each time you submit an ad, you have to select: - I want people who are interested in "Bernie Sanders, Political Revolution, Guns, Libertarianism, Glenn Beck, Judaisim, Christianity, The Daily Show, etc" - I want people who are in "Geographic Area" and you can do nation-wide or break it down to IP address location or a certain mile radius around a specific town. - I want people who are mobile devices, desktops, or both. - I want people who share a certain # of items per month. - I want people who login a certain # of times per month. - I want it to appear at a certain time of day or any time of day. - I want it run for x amount of weeks or months. You can also spend about $15 (this was in 2010, so it might be different now) to target specific people. I put a facebook ad targeted at only my friend with his picture and name in capital letters with a bulletin from our local police department about rewards for turning in people with active warrants as an April Fool's joke.
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PhazonLink posted:Pretty sure that classic bit can be explained as "99% of that 45% are children and olds." It's like 60%, but yes. The other 40% is low-income people or people with middle incomes who get big deductions because of their kids, house, local taxes, and end up with a refund at the end of the year, so their net taxes are o or a negative amount.
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rofl, did he cut the paneling on the edge of the stairs with a pair of scissors?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's like 60%, but yes.
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Convicted war criminal and beneficiary of government-run medical programs Allen West has opinions on socialized medicine.
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[quote="“withak”" post="“476883710”"] Convicted war criminal and beneficiary of government-run medical programs Allen West has opinions on socialized medicine. [/quote] Only a psycho like West would decide that his wife nearly dying is a good time to put in an anti-single player plug
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Inescapable Duck posted:Also he isn't named Joe and isn't a plumber. He's not even a The.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Only a psycho like West would decide that his wife nearly dying is a good time to put in an anti-single player plug otoh julia louis-dreyfus announced yesterday she has breast cancer and used it as an opportunity to plug uhc. and unions
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The Muppets On PCP posted:otoh julia louis-dreyfus announced yesterday she has breast cancer and used it as an opportunity to plug uhc. and unions
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The Muppets On PCP posted:otoh julia louis-dreyfus announced yesterday she has breast cancer and used it as an opportunity to plug uhc. and unions https://twitter.com/joethepatriotic/status/913464205956726785
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gently caress all those uninsured women with breast cancer, huh?? As some of you know my awesome kick rear end grandmother is recovering from breast cancer, and while I'd very much like to go tell this guy to go gently caress himself with Leatherface's chainsaw, I'm gonna do what she would, the whole Christian thing, and say that I hope he never has to deal with the misery of cancer in a loved one. You know, I thought it would be kinda of refreshing when the GOP and their base dropped all pretenses and admitted to being a white supremacist organization that was fine with it's citizens laying down in the street to die (shout out to Dale Reed, RIP you old codger) but it's really not.
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The NHS in the UK is "socialist medicine" and despite what the media would tell you, it's loving amazing. An elderly relative of my recently had the misfortune to get a heart attack and a rare cancer in the same year. The care he received was nothing short of stellar. Because the cancer surgery was made more difficult by the heart attack, he needed an expert surgeon, and the NHS arranged this with amazing speed and also paid to put him up in a hotel because the surgeon was on the other side of the country. Cost to him out of pocket: Nothing. Recovery: apparently perfect. The NHS may be a drag if you just want bunion surgery, but if you need them, they pull out all the stops. The USA will get you your bunion surgery ASAP, but if you get something serious you'd better hope the best surgeons are in-network or else you will be selling your house to pay for treatment.
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BarbarianElephant posted:The NHS in the UK is "socialist medicine" and despite what the media would tell you, it's loving amazing. An elderly relative of my recently had the misfortune to get a heart attack and a rare cancer in the same year. The care he received was nothing short of stellar. Because the cancer surgery was made more difficult by the heart attack, he needed an expert surgeon, and the NHS arranged this with amazing speed and also paid to put him up in a hotel because the surgeon was on the other side of the country. Cost to him out of pocket: Nothing. Recovery: apparently perfect. They killed baby Charlie.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They killed baby Charlie. I assume you were joking. That baby was born dying. The parents were looking for a miracle cure that didn't exist.
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The baby Charlie thing is so loving dumb like literally no children die in America from lack of access to medical care.
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forkboy84 posted:No, the actual problem with police unions is that they never show solidarity with other workers, and are actively a tool of the oppressive ruling class.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They killed baby Charlie. he was no angel i mean, he is now because the nhs murdered him
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Radish posted:The baby Charlie thing is so loving dumb like literally no children die in America from lack of access to medical care. Plenty of kids with completely treatable diseases die in America. Charlie Gard was not treatable. He had an incurable illness.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Plenty of kids with completely treatable diseases die in America. Charlie Gard was not treatable. He had an incurable illness. The regressives do love their untreatable illness tokens.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Plenty of kids with completely treatable diseases die in America. Charlie Gard was not treatable. He had an incurable illness. I know which is why the outrage over a child that had an incurable disease being used as a way to explain how the NHS would be worse than we have here is so loathsome.
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"Letting everyone have access to health care" is not what we need. What we need is for everyone to have better access to health care. 
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twodot posted:I mean even if that figure only included employed adults, why is that percentage bad? What's the correct percentage of working adults that need to pay federal income taxes? (and if they pull out the "skin in the game" argument, just shout incoherently at them, since that's what they are doing to you) The most obvious counterpoint is "there are taxes other than income taxes, which only make up around half of total taxes paid for most people." Main Paineframe posted:The 45% of Americans that don't pay any income tax possess, collectively, maybe 1-2% of total US wealth. They don't pay income tax because they hardly have any income to tax - though that doesn't stop them from taking the brunt of some of our more regressive taxes, like sales tax and payroll tax. And there's the fact they only have less than 2% of the wealth, yeah. IIRC there was some poll that revealed how most Americans have a very distorted view of how wealth is redistributed and heavily underestimate how disproportionate the amount of wealth the top ~20% have is. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Spacebump posted:When you buy ads on Facebook, the buyer gets to pick some of the targeting including zip code and other factors. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Facebook ads are targeted by different category breakdowns for each ad. Each time you submit an ad, you have to select: Informative, thanks!  (also abusable!)Yikes...that's usually something you don't want to blurt out.
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Majorian posted:Yikes...that's usually something you don't want to blurt out. Because in a usual timeline there's consequences for blurting it out. What negative effects will ICE suffer from having done so? What positive effects will ICE enjoy from having done so?
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I started "Listen, Liberal" and I'm only a few pages in but it's starting to speak to me. I don't know if this is how it will turn out, but it looks like the thesis is that the Dems became the party of the professional class, while the GOP remained the party of the extremely wealthy, leaving nobody to really be the party for the working class. While representing the professional class and giving lip service to the working class is certainly better than the outright war on the poor being waged by the GOP, it is insufficient. I'm an attorney and CPA, so I guess I'm part of the professional class, which might explain my loyalty to the Democrats for so long. Some personal situations in my life are causing me to lose my grip on my profession, and maybe that explains why I'm starting to drift and consider ideologies that are farther "left" than what I'd been accustomed to. It's actually kind of interesting because before law school, I did identify as a socialist. I've always kind of thought people who were wealthy and republican were assholes - just because you have wealth why are you teaming with the bad guys? But I dunno, maybe I'm just as bad as them, or half as bad as them which is bad enough. I suppose I also have the excuse of our electoral system - it's Dems or nobody right now. But anyways, I guess time for self reflection and examination of my ideas. Hope this isn't too E/Ny or Livejournaly.
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Main Paineframe posted:The only problem with police unions is that every other union should have that same level of power. Futuresight posted:Unions really should have awareness of their position in society though. How does a doctor not know the difference between "stint" and "stent"?  Radish posted:The baby Charlie thing is so loving dumb like literally no children die in America from lack of access to medical care. BarbarianElephant posted:Plenty of kids with completely treatable diseases die in America. Charlie Gard was not treatable. He had an incurable illness. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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forkboy84 posted:No, the actual problem with police unions is that they never show solidarity with other workers, and are actively a tool of the oppressive ruling class. They have at times. There hasn't been a whole lot of recent union activism to point to, but for example, the police unions opposed the 2011 Wisconsin union-busting bill despite being specifically exempted from it. I'm really suspicious of arguments against police unions, because unions are things that should carry out their purpose even when (indeed, especially when) that purpose is unpopular. Certainly, there are a lot of bad police unions, but if you're cheering the prospect of an anti-union SC ruling because it might take police unions down too, then you're just demonizing unions as a whole.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I started "Listen, Liberal" and I'm only a few pages in but it's starting to speak to me. I don't know if this is how it will turn out, but it looks like the thesis is that the Dems became the party of the professional class, while the GOP remained the party of the extremely wealthy, leaving nobody to really be the party for the working class. While representing the professional class and giving lip service to the working class is certainly better than the outright war on the poor being waged by the GOP, it is insufficient. What do the working class actually want, though? It seems logical that they would want universal healthcare, increased minimum wage, and support for unions, but their actual opinions seem to be the opposite of this. They seem to mainly want restrictions on immigration to force a blue-collar skills shortage and exert an upwards pressure on working-class wages and I'm not sure whether that would actually work. That's what Republicans are offering them anyway, and I guess time will tell if it worked or not.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Plenty of people die in America due to lack of access to medical care, but for some reason people are more emotionally willing to accept running out of money than they are willing to accept a bureaucrat coming in and saying, "what you want is unreasonable and the money could be better spent elsewhere." People get really upset when the government has the money to provide the service they want but it is suggested/decided that the money would be better spent elsewhere. which is ridiculous because that's exactly what insurance companies do
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bird food bathtub posted:Because in a usual timeline there's consequences for blurting it out. I don't know, but it seems of questionable legality to me...
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