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oh wait there's some Relics and poo poo   bonus lovely Armageddon Warlord Trait: 
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Kurov's motherfucking Aquila! That poo poo is pretty impressive, all the more so since the standard 'gently caress you sword' and 'get bent armour' type relics are of limited use on squishy IG officers.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:00
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I dunno if they're that limited use. Guard officers can order themselves to fight twice. I've killed some heavy poo poo with my power axe commander by heroic interventioning and then fighting twice next turn. He killed a custodes once.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:04
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Genghis Cohen posted:Kurov's motherfucking Aquila! That poo poo is pretty impressive, all the more so since the standard 'gently caress you sword' and 'get bent armour' type relics are of limited use on squishy IG officers. Yeah, it's really cool that they're doing relics with special rule vs. +1 sword or whatever, even if a dagger that lets you deepstrike is weird.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:27
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You know, that relic sword + the Armageddon warlord trait could actually make for a pretty nasty close combat model. I mean it would still have a major glass jaw but I could see murdering a chapter master or something.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:34
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Pendent posted:You know, that relic sword + the Armageddon warlord trait could actually make for a pretty nasty close combat model. A 44pt model which can blender a Chapter Master sounds decent tbh. Wound on 2s against T4, AP -4, D3 damage per attack is tidy.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:39
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I didn't read that last sentence in the Armageddon order.. Doesn't that completely remove the value of the order? Seemed like the whole idea would be to disembark, shoot, re-embark before taking shots back.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:45
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I'll never underestimate Guard after a Sarge with a power sword killed my 2 charging TH/SS Terminators of mine back in 4th.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:48
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Miruvor posted:I didn't read that last sentence in the Armageddon order.. Doesn't that completely remove the value of the order? Seemed like the whole idea would be to disembark, shoot, re-embark before taking shots back. It's a slight bit of protection, mostly. Normally if you get out to shoot you can't shoot when you get back in. Biggest downside I see is not getting a different order and losing the movement phase of the Chimera. I guess you can get in a different Chimera.
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Sep 29, 2017 17:05
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The Steel Legion stuff is....kinda lovely. Oh well! Better than nothing, I suppose!
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Sep 29, 2017 18:13
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The Sex Cannon posted:The Steel Legion stuff is....kinda lovely. Oh well! Better than nothing, I suppose! I forsee a lot of formerly Steel Legion now Valhallan armies in teh future. My currently hypothetical Zombie Guard are also gonna be Valhallans.
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Sep 29, 2017 18:34
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The Sex Cannon posted:The Steel Legion stuff is....kinda lovely. Oh well! Better than nothing, I suppose! Yeah, they kinda seem like a worse version of Vostroyans, though I think the Chimera hopping has an appeal.
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Sep 29, 2017 18:49
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Yeah, they kinda seem like a worse version of Vostroyans, though I think the Chimera hopping has an appeal. It does, but it would only be GOOD if they could get out, shoot, and get back in on the same turn. As it stands you have to get out (on a turn when the chimera doesnt move), shoot, then not die for a round while you next turn shoot again and jump back in, and the chimera STILL cant move after you get in. I just think its a lot of time to not do much.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:01
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JoshTheStampede posted:It does, but it would only be GOOD if they could get out, shoot, and get back in on the same turn. As it stands you have to get out (on a turn when the chimera doesnt move), shoot, then not die for a round while you next turn shoot again and jump back in, and the chimera STILL cant move after you get in. I just think its a lot of time to not do much. Agreedo. The other Regimental Orders seem to be pretty useful and designed with a clear tactic in mind. Even the Catachan flamer Order we don't know the details for has gotta be way better than this. I have no idea why they punked out the Steel Legion so hard. Someone brought up a good point: the Commander has to be standing out in the open to issue orders; clearly he'd be using the vox network in order to do so, but this just seems hard to pull off, and for what gain? Phyresis fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 19:04
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Underhanded Marketing Ploy 44b: Make the armies people own marginally worse than the less common armies. At a later date, fix the common armies through the introduction new/updated units as they start to tire of the new one. Edit: 44a is what Privateer Press did with WM/H. Take everything good and make it poo poo, and take everything poo poo and make it good. Which might sell some of your inventory, or might kill your game. dexefiend fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 19:20
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Yeah, steel legion are kinda poo poo. I'm thinking I'm going to as Valhallans, and fits the fluff I have for my regiment fairly well.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:20
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Steel legion seem pretty good for running dudes in boxes an they're not exactly poo poo traits. These are also only part of the whole picture. They may get strats or relics to work hand in hand, wouldn't be so quick to poo poo them an disregard. Edit: Also no mention of the Ogryn bodyguard there to take wounds for his commander while you blender everything with that relic? Really? Seems legit. For_Great_Justice fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 19:31
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 I forgot to point this out earlier: This is a 12-man Infantry Squad (obviously meant to be mounted in a Chimera) which implies that we'll be able to bulk up our squads again! Yes, I know there is a Combine Infantry Squads Stratagem but I doubt this is a reference to that. I wonder if they'll be capped at 20 or if we'll be able to field 30-man Infantry Squad blobs again. If so, Guardsman blobs might be a real choice vs. Conscript blobs, even with the 30 point premium (assuming that point costs stay the same for both units) Oh God-Emperor, maybe not... they're probably just fixed-size 12 model units.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:45
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Phyresis posted:
FRFSRF means 4 shots per man, so 9 men and a sergeant without a lasgun not 12. Combined squads making a return is nice though.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:50
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For_Great_Justice posted:Edit: Also no mention of the Ogryn bodyguard there to take wounds for his commander while you blender everything with that relic? Really? Seems legit.  Phyresis posted:
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Sep 29, 2017 19:51
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The different Guard regiments have always been some of the fluffiest and most characterful GW models; I'm really glad they're getting support. Rules for Tallarn and Valhallan models is so much more exciting than rules for some foregeworld no ones heard of, with models that look identical to every other mechanicum model. Does anyone make Not-Tallarn? I checked Victoria Lamb's site and didn't see anything =(
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Sep 29, 2017 19:51
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A small part of me hopes that they take the time to release the literally 2 kits (infantry/command and heavy weapon) per regiment needed to support all these armies in plastic, compared to the vast number of plastic kits they did in the past for each specialist marine chapter.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:54
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Artum posted:FRFSRF means 4 shots per man, so 9 men and a sergeant without a lasgun not 12. Safety Factor posted:First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire makes lasguns rapid fire 2, meaning that they'd get 4 shots each. That's a 10 man squad and the sergeant has a laspistol or something. That's pretty lame. I forgot FRFSRF gives them so many shots now. I wish Combined Squads was pre-battle because what the hell are you supposed to do if you go second, which is likely with how many units you'll have on the board?
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Sep 29, 2017 19:57
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@Safety Factor yeah it'd be nice if they pick a method an stick to it but GW writing. Way back in 5th I had a game where Vulkan the marine character, a captain, an ten terminators were in a blob. Vulkan was in front, the rest scattered. I fire a lascannon shot. Hit, wound, somehow bypasses Vulkan, captain, an hits some terminator behind a pillar I didn't know was even there way behind everyone. Yes very different case, edition etc but wound transference has always been weird in 40k. It'll never make sense.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:59
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Artum posted:A small part of me hopes that they take the time to release the literally 2 kits (infantry/command and heavy weapon) per regiment needed to support all these armies in plastic, compared to the vast number of plastic kits they did in the past for each specialist marine chapter. Seriously. Something like Steel Legion or Valhallans literally only needs 3 kits to be completely doable in plastic. Command squad, infantry squad, heavy weapon squad. Entire new army, ready to go.
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Sep 29, 2017 20:03
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Seriously. Something like Steel Legion or Valhallans literally only needs 3 kits to be completely doable in plastic. Command squad, infantry squad, heavy weapon squad. Entire new army, ready to go. Yep. One box of Greatcoats with head options for gas masks or ushankas and you have SL, Vals, and even plastic KRIEG done.
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Sep 29, 2017 20:10
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yep. One box of Greatcoats with head options for gas masks or ushankas and you have SL, Vals, and even plastic KRIEG done. hell, with different torso front options, arms, and of course heads, you got Vostroyans to boot the bottom torsos + legs are the "premium" bit in infantry kits, i think cuz they take up the most space on the sprue
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Sep 29, 2017 20:11
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OMG sriracha pudding! posted:Does anyone make Not-Tallarn? I checked Victoria Lamb's site and didn't see anything =( I ran into the same problem myself, and had to special order them from the GW in my neighborhood. Apparently they only have them in metal made-on-demand. 
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Sep 29, 2017 20:49
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Dr. Gargunza posted:I ran into the same problem myself, and had to special order them from the GW in my neighborhood. Apparently they only have them in metal made-on-demand. Ive seen places do Tallarny heads but not whole bodies with the poncho things. Edit: Anyone else think its realy strange how they made such a big deal out of the Space Marine codex only supporting current existing model range (and thus dropping Legion of the Damned, the Imperial Space Marine, the Terminus Ultra, and all the Biker chars and autocannon dreads) but then releasing the AM codex full of art of models they don't make, including Rough Riders which have never had a model and have no likely proxies in the entire 40k range?
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Sep 29, 2017 20:53
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So that Aquila Relic on a Guard Officer with an Ultramarine Warlord? Get the gently caress out of here...
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Sep 29, 2017 20:58
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I think your Warlord determines what set of Relics you can use.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:04
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JoshTheStampede posted:including Rough Riders which have never had a model and have no likely proxies in the entire 40k range? The gently caress you say  Glory in the official Rough Riders models.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:08
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Are they going to do rules for da chem dawgs?OMG sriracha pudding! posted:The different Guard regiments have always been some of the fluffiest and most characterful GW models; I'm really glad they're getting support. Rules for Tallarn and Valhallan models is so much more exciting than rules for some foregeworld no ones heard of, with models that look identical to every other mechanicum model. Check out the mad robot links earlier in the thread. They have some really nice tallarn heads.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:10
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What a loving let down.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:13
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The Sex Cannon posted:The Steel Legion stuff is....kinda lovely. Oh well! Better than nothing, I suppose! Add some snow and go Valhallans. gently caress the fluff, do what's fun. MasterSlowPoke posted:I think your Warlord determines what set of Relics you can use. Yeah that's something I'll want to check out too, otherwise LOL Command Points.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:15
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hyped for tallarn, al'rahem was my favorite character in the dex for 5th and 6th edition (besides Marbo)
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Sep 29, 2017 21:16
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OMG sriracha pudding! posted:Does anyone make Not-Tallarn? I checked Victoria Lamb's site and didn't see anything =( Puppetswar does Desert Troopers, which have shemagh heads.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:18
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Corrode posted:The gently caress you say Whoa, I literally did not know there were ever real RR models. I have only ever seen people kitbash them from Fantasy horses or do Cold Ones or some poo poo.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:21
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I always wanted to do rough riders on bikes but the SM scout bikes were too big and other line dirtbikes aren't proportioned close enough rough riders with different weapon options would be sick
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Sep 29, 2017 21:23
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MasterSlowPoke posted:I think your Warlord determines what set of Relics you can use. drat, I was hoping it was detachment based.
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