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Sep 29, 2017 08:16
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Even during an objective or when they are pushing down your keeps?
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Sep 29, 2017 08:36
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In my opinion yeah. If you fight em and they're 10 and you're not they'll probably win the teamfight because they all have a super strong ability that you don't have. Then, when you are all dead they will cap the objective or destroy the keep anyway.
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Sep 29, 2017 08:53
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If you're not going to lose the game with the objective, yes. If you're not going to lose from the push in the time it takes to get to 10, yes again. Level 10 is a huge power spike and Minion waves are still worth a very significant chunk of experience at that point. If your team is soaking lanes and the enemy isn't you'll catch up pretty quick if you're only down a level or a level and a half. If you are going to lose, one or two people should be stalling and poking as safely as possible while the rest are clearing waves for XP. This of course all assumes some degree of communication and cooperation. On the other hand, if most of your team is at the objective or trying to stop the push you should be there too unless you're currently clearing a wave and it will be enough to push you over to 10. Doing the wrong thing together is better than being the only person or pair doing the right thing.
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Sep 29, 2017 09:05
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Avalerion posted:Even during an objective or when they are pushing down your keeps? In both those situations, if you go in 9 v 10 you're far more likely to die than they are , and then they can keep doing what they are doing safer and longer. Instead, spread out to all three lanes, kill minions, and if you see an enemy, run away from it. It's a sacrifice, sucks to got put in that position.
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Sep 29, 2017 09:07
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The only exception is if they already burned their ults ineffectively. That's worth keeping track of, once ults are down it's anyone's game. But in most cases the team that reaches level 10 first have free rein of the map for a while.
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Sep 29, 2017 09:38
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Man, the updated AI is a lot better than it used to be. Played a couple of games with Adept AI yesterday (I'm teaching a friend the ins and outs of the game and they are still very much in the "learning basic mechanics" phase) and normally I could just pretty much solo Adept AI games all by myself, but yesterday I was getting focused down and combo'd to pieces by the AI several times. It's a lot more punishing towards too aggressive play, knows how to chain CC and is brutally good at hitting skill shots, even at lower difficulties. They move around as groups, set up ambushes and generally play a lot smarter, so well done to the Blizzard AI team! Today I was testing the new Veteran AI and jumped into a game where a group of four players decided the best way to play would be to all push one lane like this was some god drat Beginner AI game. I think the kills were 2-13 to the enemy after a couple of minutes because the three AI on the top lane just kept dunking and dunking on them.
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Sep 29, 2017 12:30
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This week’s brawl is Bash ‘Em Smash ‘Em Robots! Control one of two Triglav Protector mechs on our new one-lane Overwatch themed Battleground, Industrial District, and get ready to bash ‘em and smash ‘em! Rules: Choose from one of three randomly selected Heroes before entering the Battleground. Be quick about it though, you only have 30 seconds to choose! Everyone will start at level 1 with no talent restrictions. Triglav Protector mechs will spawn for both teams at their friendly structures. Protectors have infinite duration. Protectors will respawn 15 seconds after they’re destroyed. The first team to destroy the enemy Core will win the match! 
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Sep 29, 2017 13:31
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Am I crazy, or does the gunner seat in the protector seem really weak? There aren't a ton of heroes that wouldn't be more effective outside of the gunner seat. It seems like the primary advantage is just the risk-free damage; which is still an advantage, but a lot smaller of a reward than the dragon + 4 heroes or terror + 4 heroes.
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Sep 29, 2017 14:45
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I have to agree. I didn't feel like I was doing a whole lot in it.
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Sep 29, 2017 15:01
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Am I crazy, or does the gunner seat in the protector seem really weak? Dragon Shire is the best 'vehicle' map imo. Just a good mix of 3 points to fight over, a dragon with good abilities and not too much loving around. Garden makes you hearth to get the Terror which kind of sucks because you're probably having fun running around at an actual fight. Anyway the worst map is Haunted Mines, now Hanamura is out.
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Sep 29, 2017 15:05
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I haven't played it, but from the little I saw on the PTR the laser did a lot of damage and the rest did decent, with relatively short cooldowns. They could have tuned the damage down or I could have been misled by the absolutely representative sample size of two games. (I'm betting the latter.)
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Sep 29, 2017 15:10
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The dragon was (I think accidentally) nerfed this patch... the breath damage and kick damage doesn't scale so you can't clear minion waves with it anymore. Very annoying.
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Sep 29, 2017 15:10
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Am I crazy, or does the gunner seat in the protector seem really weak? edit: also to avoid a double-post, Falstad is seriously bugged. His trait (+15% move speed after not taking damage for 6 seconds) is no longer turned off by damage. This means at level 13 all of his abilities recharge twice as fast and at level 16 he has permanent 25% move speed. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 15:13
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Bugs/undocumented changes reported on Reddit y'all might want to know about. I confirmed these in Try mode:
I haven't personally confirmed:
None of the above are included on the known bug list  e: mixed up zag creep tumors with nydus worms. e2: also, there's some poo poo about losing control of D.Va. If that happens to you, hit "hold attack" button, by default H, and that fixes it. Not sure how to personally recreate the bug and 
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Sep 29, 2017 18:18
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BrianBoitano posted:Bugs/undocumented changes reported on Reddit y'all might want to know about. Yeah I read about the issue with Devastating Charge on reddit. That seems like something they need to fix asap. I always build devastating charge because it's the only thing that lets him contribute a little damage.
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Sep 29, 2017 18:52
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Yeah the falstad one is insane because it means you always have half cooldowns and 25% increased movement speed if you get the talents at 13 and 16.
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Sep 29, 2017 18:56
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That explains why i couldn't keep up with the AI Falstad no matter what in a game I played earlier this week.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:11
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BrianBoitano posted:e2: also, there's some poo poo about losing control of D.Va. If that happens to you, hit "hold attack" button, by default H, and that fixes it. Not sure how to personally recreate the bug and For me it happened when I charged into one of the control points on Volskaya. I think I clipped into one of the standards that had landed there when our team took control of it or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594fG9DJEiQ Couldn't move, couldn't hearth, anything. Extremely frustrating bug, luckily for me the match ended quickly and I didn't get kicked for inactivity. E: also similar thing happened to a Tassadar in the brawl. He got stuck in the forcefield leading out from our base, but when he disconnected, the AI could move out of there normally. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 19:36
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Bad news - Genji on sale next week. (Gazlowe and Anub as well)
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Sep 29, 2017 20:14
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I had a teammate playing Diablo who got stuck in the spawn on Volskaya near the end of the match. He disconnected and the AI just behaved like normal. The moment he reconnected he was stuck again. Luckily this was an vs AI match so no harm done, but that is a nasty bug.
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Sep 29, 2017 20:19
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BrianBoitano posted:Bugs/undocumented changes reported on Reddit y'all might want to know about. This one is actually bad for Gaz... I wasn't able to solo merc camps 'til like lvl 8 because they kept focusing on me.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:21
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So what're everyone's thoughts on the new Johanna stuff? All her old pieces still seem to work fine, so I haven't been branching out too overly much... Is there anything super-awesome I should be checking out?
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Sep 29, 2017 21:24
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Paranoid Peanut posted:This one is actually bad for Gaz... I wasn't able to solo merc camps 'til like lvl 8 because they kept focusing on me. Doesn't he have a talent that makes his turrets tanky vs minions? Hired Muscle or something like that?
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Sep 29, 2017 21:27
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bio347 posted:So what're everyone's thoughts on the new Johanna stuff? All her old pieces still seem to work fine, so I haven't been branching out too overly much... Is there anything super-awesome I should be checking out? I want to know how often someone can hit 4 people with a single Q. Sounds way harder than the Alark Q quest and that's already hard enough.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:40
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bamhand posted:I want to know how often someone can hit 4 people with a single Q. Sounds way harder than the Alark Q quest and that's already hard enough. Seems like the easiest way to that depends on a good Zarya ult hit. That or the other team having really poo poo placement in a teamfight. Like, reaaaally poo poo.
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Sep 29, 2017 22:59
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Or land the sickest condemn ever and pull them all in.
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Sep 29, 2017 23:00
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I can't see much reason to play Johanna anymore. Her sustain was dramatically reduced and that was her advantage compared to tanks that with more aggressive displacement/that can more easily make dramatic plays like Diablo and Garrosh. We'll see, maybe there's something I'm missing here.
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Sep 29, 2017 23:05
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No Wave posted:I can't see much reason to play Johanna anymore. Her sustain was dramatically reduced and that was her advantage compared to tanks that with more aggressive displacement/that can more easily make dramatic plays like Diablo and Garrosh. Show me the part where Garrosh or Diablo leap into the loving sky and shine down the "You about to get hosed" signal on the enemies just in case they were unclear on the concept.
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Sep 29, 2017 23:09
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i mean there's apoc but if new falling sword is good that's something. I picked shield out of habit (which was dumb)
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Sep 29, 2017 23:17
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Bug I forgot to mention: DK damaging abilities don't scale. I tested that one. Someone else said Mines golem doesn't scale either, but that's more annoying to test solo.
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Sep 29, 2017 23:41
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No Wave posted:i mean there's apoc but if new falling sword is good that's something. I picked shield out of habit (which was dumb) Her sustain did get a lot worse, but her base waveclear is still better than other main tanks, she has a blind, and her new storm shield seems pretty great. It's hard to say whether she's bad now, but there's definitely still reasons to pick her.
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Sep 30, 2017 00:36
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Would you really compare Johanna to Diablo and Garrosh anyway? She doesn't really fill the same sort of role, what with lacking the super-displacement ability. Even with the lesser sustain, her role still feels to me to be the "unkillable rear end in a top hat" position.
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Sep 30, 2017 00:42
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Man, imagine being a Falstad main who doesn't read Reddit. You must be feeling like the best player in the world, and everyone just thinks you're a dick.
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Sep 30, 2017 00:59
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Johanna is a lot less unkillable now, it takes awhile but it's now easier to tear through her mountains of armour and health.
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Sep 30, 2017 01:04
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Who is the Most Unkillable rear end in a top hat, based on pure stats?
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Sep 30, 2017 01:11
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There's literally no point to that question considering abilities and talents far exceed a stats in determining who is Tanky
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Sep 30, 2017 01:21
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bio347 posted:Would you really compare Johanna to Diablo and Garrosh anyway? She doesn't really fill the same sort of role, what with lacking the super-displacement ability. Even with the lesser sustain, her role still feels to me to be the "unkillable rear end in a top hat" position. Uh yeah she fills the exact same role, she's a tank. I don't think I've ever once played a game where any of those three heroes were on the same team.
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Sep 30, 2017 01:25
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Bogart posted:Who is the Most Unkillable rear end in a top hat, based on pure stats? bio347 posted:Would you really compare Johanna to Diablo and Garrosh anyway? She doesn't really fill the same sort of role, what with lacking the super-displacement ability. Even with the lesser sustain, her role still feels to me to be the "unkillable rear end in a top hat" position.
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No Wave posted:Muradin I'll never play a Dwarf
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Sep 30, 2017 01:33
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