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Automata has the same fandom problem as the witcher 3 did - try g to elevate tits and rear end into some deep statement about character development or themes comes off as desperate, not a big element of world building. Your fan service robot sorceress lesbians can be criticised as fan service robot sorceress lesbians without making the rest of the game bad through association, ya weirdo.
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Recently started playing the witcher 3 after owning it for a few months. Not too far in but I'm really digging how fleshed out and long some of the quests are. Last one I did was about a demon miscarried baby coming back from the grave to get revenge. I haven't finished the entire quest, or read anything about the few ways (I'm assuming?) it could be resolved, but I did the good guy thing and turned it into a protective spirit that would guard it's family. I hope the rest of the game is this insane.
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poptart_fairy posted:Automata has the same fandom problem as the witcher 3 did - try g to elevate tits and rear end into some deep statement about character development or themes comes off as desperate, not a big element of world building. You're right. But if you think sexual or titillating content can never be anything more than fan service, well, maybe you shouldn't try to talk about art.
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Sep 30, 2017 11:53
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Constipated posted:Recently started playing the witcher 3 after owning it for a few months. Not too far in but I'm really digging how fleshed out and long some of the quests are. Last one I did was about a demon miscarried baby coming back from the grave to get revenge. My favorite thing about the Witcher 3 actually involves that quest. There are no good endings to that quest. No matter what you do, something is going to go poorly for a lot of people. Either the kids are left to be eaten by witches, or an entire town is slaughtered by a horse demon. Either the Baron gets his wife back and he'll probably start beating her again, or he kills himself and his awful brute squad starts terrorizing the countryside worse than they were.
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Sep 30, 2017 12:51
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Alhazred posted:The Walking Dead season 1 Man, that seems miserable... you had no companions to help cut off your arm?
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Sep 30, 2017 13:09
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Mierenneuker posted:Man, that seems miserable... you had no companions to help cut off your arm? I had Kenny, that image is from a google image search. I also appreciate that TTG let you choose what you scream as he saws off your arm
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Sep 30, 2017 13:18
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Somfin posted:You're right. Puerile fan service isn't high art, friend. It's possible to make that distinction without feeling my choice of entertainment is being attacked on a deeply personal level.
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Sep 30, 2017 13:31
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No guys, her battle thong is totally arty because the story justifies her wearing it.
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Sep 30, 2017 13:33
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poptart_fairy posted:No guys, her battle thong is totally arty because the story justifies her wearing it. https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/376424398023962624 This whole conversation immediately reminded me of this.
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Sep 30, 2017 13:58
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Veib posted:https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/376424398023962624 Truly everyone became ashamed of their words and deeds after that one. 
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Sep 30, 2017 14:01
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My favorite response to that http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-04-metal-gear-solid-5-quiet-kojima-ashamed
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Sep 30, 2017 14:13
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For whatever it's worth, the MGS series also contains the most lovingly crafted men's asses in gaming, biological or cyborg. Jet Stream Sam 
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Sep 30, 2017 14:19
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yook posted:For whatever it's worth, the MGS series also contains the most lovingly crafted men's asses in gaming, biological or cyborg. Also, male main character rocking high-heels.
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Sep 30, 2017 14:30
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poptart_fairy posted:Automata has the same fandom problem as the witcher 3 did - try g to elevate tits and rear end into some deep statement about character development or themes comes off as desperate, not a big element of world building. Veib posted:https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/376424398023962624 I wasn't trying to defend or justify 2B's butt, I was just trying to say it's pretty easy to look past it. It's definitely unnecessary. Objectified women characters in games usually gross me out more than anything else.
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Sep 30, 2017 14:46
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poptart_fairy posted:No guys, her battle thong is totally arty because the story justifies her wearing it. Quiet's cell at Mother Base is a fistful of single-dollar bills away from a seedy stripclub, 80's muzak and all.
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Sep 30, 2017 15:44
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Nuebot posted:It has a shirtless brobot, a sexy dude robot in fancy outfit and the little boy robot in little boy clothes. The game appeals to weirdos of all types. It's been a couple years since I've played Metroid Prime so I don't know if it's the same issue I'm thinking of, but when they made the Wii remake, they had to change how a lot of stuff (mainly the arm cannon) were rendered and it made them unable to do some of the visual effects that were in the original Gamecube version. It's such a fantastic port otherwise, that I'm willing to overlook a handful of visual flaws.
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Sep 30, 2017 15:48
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The Wii is less capable than the Gamecube? Wtf?
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Johnny Aztec posted:The Wii is less capable than the Gamecube? Wtf? But wasn't the Metroid Prime trilogy on Wii all packed into one disc?
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Gamecube discs were roughly half the diameter of regular DVD discs, which were what the wii used. However, the arm cannon effects were made with a bit of overlaying trickery, which worked since the angle of the armcannon relative to your view didnt change much. Since there is complete free aim in the wii version and much more range of freedom for the armcannon to shift around that trick couldnt be reused as is, and had to be scrapped in favor of time. The wii was nore graphically capable than the GC, notably so when it came to doing lighting. A lot of GC games looked really flat. Rigged Death Trap has a new favorite as of 16:14 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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Sep 30, 2017 16:12
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Quiet's cell at Mother Base is a fistful of single-dollar bills away from a seedy stripclub, 80's muzak and all. Who the hell started playing that music for her anyway? "Oh boss, I thought the prisoner who could kill all of us at anytime would want some relaxing shower music"
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Sep 30, 2017 22:02
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Rigged Death Trap posted:The wii was nore graphically capable than the GC, notably so when it came to doing lighting. A lot of GC games looked really flat. However, Resident Evil 4 looked loving fantastic. And they could fit so many enemies on screen, and the cutscenes would reflect your costume choice.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:21
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yook posted:For whatever it's worth, the MGS series also contains the most lovingly crafted men's asses in gaming, biological or cyborg. I still don't understand the "starting a mission better lovingly gently caress the ground for a bit" thing in the middle of Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots 
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Twitch posted:It's been a couple years since I've played Metroid Prime so I don't know if it's the same issue I'm thinking of, but when they made the Wii remake, they had to change how a lot of stuff (mainly the arm cannon) were rendered and it made them unable to do some of the visual effects that were in the original Gamecube version. I think the effects that were lost were overlays like the heat haze after rapid firing your gun, or the ice that accumulates on the ice-beam after charging it. I can't recall at the moment. For some reason there's a really persistent rumor that the x-ray visor effect of looking at samus' hand through the cannon got cut but that is flatly untrue. Johnny Aztec posted:The Wii is less capable than the Gamecube? Wtf? No, it was more a visual trick with how the visuals worked. Basically in the original, your gun only angled to specific degrees since you didn't have free aim, so most of the cool visual effects were just overlays onto the cannon. With the added free-aim of the trilogy they would have had to redraw and re-program the effects so they just cut them. I think the only non-gun related effect that straight up got removed was the special water effects that showed up in Corruption for all of like, three rooms. EDIT: Also a weird thing I noticed, that I never noticed before because I never played with headphones is that each visor has a specific sound effect that plays constantly when you have it up and it's super annoying. Nuebot has a new favorite as of 00:01 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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poptart_fairy posted:No guys, her battle thong is totally arty because the story justifies her wearing it. That is 100% what is going on with N:A's character designs, yup. Well done, poptart_fairy, you have cracked the case. What? Symbolism of cleaning up someone else's mess and subservience that resonates with deeper themes in the storyline? gently caress off, it's a sexy french maid outfit, that means it's just porn for teenage boys and should not be looked at in any more detail. Things can be two things at once, pf. It can be fanservicey titillation, and it can reinforce the storyline and themes. It doesn't magically stop being able to do one because it's doing the other. Also, the story never justifies any of the characters' costume choices in N:A, and even if it did, narrative justification doesn't make something "arty."
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Somfin posted:That is 100% what is going on with N:A's character designs, yup. Well done, poptart_fairy, you have cracked the case. What? Symbolism of cleaning up someone else's mess and subservience that resonates with deeper themes in the storyline? gently caress off, it's a sexy french maid outfit, that means it's just porn for teenage boys and should not be looked at in any more detail. Welp. Lmao.
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I think it's kind of a relief that Nier Automata's booty dress is literally just the designer going 'I like big butts and I can not lie'. It's not some weird poo poo in game where story or characters or something tries to justify that she looks like a fetish come to life, you know that it's just one guy who put this in.
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Why does 2B wear high heels considering she fights? - Nerds who claim verisimilitude but really want to show off how higher classed they are for making fun of the lowest common denominator: Titillation Cause I like women - Yoko Taro not giving a gently caress
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Somfin posted:That is 100% what is going on with N:A's character designs, yup. Well done, poptart_fairy, you have cracked the case. What? Symbolism of cleaning up someone else's mess and subservience that resonates with deeper themes in the storyline? gently caress off, it's a sexy french maid outfit, that means it's just porn for teenage boys and should not be looked at in any more detail.  That justification is also hella specious.
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What gets me about that justification is that it's not even a maid outfit.Leal posted:Why does 2B wear high heels considering she fights? - Nerds who claim verisimilitude but really want to show off how higher classed they are for making fun of the lowest common denominator: Titillation I like to think it's because Platinum action game stars just have to wear heals - really, the baffling thing is that 2B hasn't weaponized them like Bayonetta or Raiden.
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I've been playing Golf Story for the Switch and recently went to a course that is high up in the mountains It took me a while to realise that if you hit your ball off the side of the mountain the rumble in the controller makes a little falling noise, like Wile E Coyote falling off a cliff.
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Imagine being the guy going to bat for video game softcore porn robots Like, just loving imagine being that guy
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Must really bother you to you to see people enjoying an anime rear end robot game wot has shooting and kicks.
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There's a lot of cool and interesting themes and philosophizing, some good science fiction and some wild emotional twists in the game, too. It's too bad basically none of that poo poo is in route A because you could play the first 15 hours of the game and think it's just a dumb anime butt game and that opinion would be pretty justified.
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I really think they should've just scrapped the 'ending A/B/C' terminology and called it "act 1/2/3" or something similar. At least this time it straight up tells you to keep playing to get the rest of the story.
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flatluigi posted:I really think they should've just scrapped the 'ending A/B/C' terminology and called it "act 1/2/3" or something similar. At least this time it straight up tells you to keep playing to get the rest of the story. I think you're forgetting that it's Yoko Taro, and the point was probably to catch out Nier players expecting to replay it each time for different endings.
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RyokoTK posted:
What justification? It just happens that the cheesecake bullshit they chose is resonant and has value when assessed as a choice made deliberately, rather than dismissed as porn for teenage boys. Clothes in that game tell more of the story than they seem to; see also Adam and Eve and the fact that they don't understand belts, or the blindfolds, or 9S and his otherwise pointless messenger bag.
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The cheesecake is just cheesecake. Its developer confessed that he likes it because he likes T&A. It is a refreshingly honest position and you do his noble vision a disservice by trotting out bargain-bin metaphors.
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Somfin posted:What justification? "Symbolism of cleaning up someone else's mess and subservience" That one. The game is not really subtle about what it wants you to think about, and 2B's outfit (and 9S's as well) is never addressed at any point. I mean if you want to go full-on death of the author, go for it, but considering the game completely forgets to mention why 2B's not wearing pants, I feel like it's safe to just take Yoko Taro's "uh I like to look at cute butts" explanation at face value.
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Zinkraptor posted:
If that happened, then that might give the slightest sliver of justification as to why she was wearing heels, even an atomically small reason as to why she was dressed that way. No, says Yoko Taro, it is because I like butts and sexy ladies in heels.
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