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I see we’re doing that thing where people mistake being an rear end in a top hat for leftist advocacy again.
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"Fluorides good for teeth so I suppose brushing my teeth with concentrated hydrofluoric acid is even better" -dont need dentist man Same argument about lawyers.
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Sep 30, 2017 21:54
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Sep 30, 2017 21:56
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We are still going to need lawyers even with full communism.
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Sep 30, 2017 21:57
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yronic heroism posted:Okay, but it seems that some other professions either are less likely to run or are less likely to win. It's not like there's a conspiracy. And I don't buy that it's just because of wealth because most lawyers just aren't that rich. In fact, at the same time the number of lawyers in congress had gone down, net worth of congress is going up. Obviously the lawyers who don't have the resources to run for office aren't the ones becoming politicians.
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I have started to think that we need to re-examine what it means to be in the professional class so we can make sufficiently enough of them woke and strike back at capitalism. I think college graduates in general have more in common with each other than not but there seems to be this weird ivy league thing going on I can't quite articulate other than they seem to be the ones in control of the government. Most lawyers I know are small time, and Make a meager to decent living, but they're not the ruling class. For a long time now college has supposed to have been part of the middle class and extension the ruling class but it seems like its not that America thinks it's a bunch of temporarily embarrassed millionaires so much as a bunch of rich disconnected minority thinking they're emblematic of everyone else.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Replace the constitutional age minimum with an age maximum Voting age range. No olds.
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Sep 30, 2017 21:59
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Mustached Demon posted:Voting age range. No olds. I too look forward to reaching an arbitrary age where I have no right to vote anymore because the generation after me thinks I don't know anything.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:00
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Star Man posted:I too look forward to reaching an arbitrary age where I have no right to vote anymore because the generation after me thinks I don't know anything. This but unironically
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Star Man posted:I too look forward to reaching an arbitrary age where I have no right to vote anymore because the generation after me thinks I don't know anything. See you at Carousel!
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Sep 30, 2017 22:03
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We should try to divide the professional into those who went to the ivies and those who didn't. That's a good idea.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:04
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Jizz Festival posted:Obviously the lawyers who don't have the resources to run for office aren't the ones becoming politicians. Then whine about rich people rather than targeting whole professions. 
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Sep 30, 2017 22:04
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A community that rallies behind a 76-year-old geezer that advocates for a higher minimum wage and throwing the book at bankers also thinks that people that are ~*~old~*~ shouldn't be allowed to vote. Sure.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:06
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I think they should be able to vote I just also think that just like capitalism consolidates monetary power, age consolidates political power and while we appreciate what's been done, letting people who have potentially been in control for 40 years (notice all the Reagan and Nixon people still lingering around?) Need to step aside and let younger people have SOME say in their governance. So they can vote but no 65+ new to office. You can finish terms but not start new ones.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:08
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1337JiveTurkey posted:I see we’re doing that thing where people mistake being an rear end in a top hat for leftist advocacy again. There's an Orwell quote about this phenomenon.
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All of this is going to become much, much more interesting if Peter Thiel and his ilk ever figure out how to live forever. Can you imagine what a social catastrophe that would be?
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Jizz Festival posted:Yeah it's totally cool that you have to be rich and well-connected to become a politician. The real problem is rude people. That's a different problem from "Lawyers shouldn't be politicans" which is a really dumb thing to argue because it doesn't loving matter either way. I'm not sure how you fix making sure people from lower economic status can become politicians, and this is a huge problem that does need a fix or some kind of leveling policy, but I do know that banning lawyers from being politicans won't fix it because then you'd probably end up with nothing but business peeps writing laws in our current atmosphere. If you wanna argue that business peeps are smarter than lawyers then lol have I got a bridge to sell you.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:23
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Last few pages of this thread are hysterical
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The Kingfish posted:We are still going to need lawyers even with full communism. No, lawyers will be tortured and impaled for all to see.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:26
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Lawyer, according to the revolutionary dictionary: "Dead man"
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Calibanibal posted:Last few pages of this thread are hysterical Especially when you realize steinrokkan is just peeing in the thread and everyone else is splashing each other thinking it's a real debate. Godspeed, steinrokkan
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Lawyers are probably some of the professionals I'm least concerned about because they don't seem very good at subterfuge generally speaking: see all of trumps legal team as an example. I know you're probably riffing but if I'm making The List, people who do direct contract work for clients aren't anywhere near the top as anyone whom is directly exploiting labor.
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RuanGacho posted:I think they should be able to vote I just also think that just like capitalism consolidates monetary power, age consolidates political power and while we appreciate what's been done, letting people who have potentially been in control for 40 years (notice all the Reagan and Nixon people still lingering around?) Need to step aside and let younger people have SOME say in their governance. So they can vote but no 65+ new to office. You can finish terms but not start new ones. This is a cool and good post.
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RuanGacho posted:Lawyers are probably some of the professionals I'm least concerned about because they don't seem very good at subterfuge generally speaking: see all of trumps legal team as an example. i'm not worried about lawyers being evil or something, but having too many of one specific profession acting as our leaders is a bad idea in general why not more scientists? doctors (excluding ron paul  )? engineers? teachers? foremen? just about anyone with leadership experience is a good fit for congress imo, and having your congressperson be a lawyer doesn't seem to bring much in the way of advantages when a ton of other congresspeople are too. and when congress has lawyers that can work for and draft laws for congresspeople, well it's really not super necessary that legislator A be a lawyeredit: i really don't get why some people are pretending we're trying to dumb down congress or be anti-intellectual in advocating for less lawyers in congress Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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Sep 30, 2017 22:36
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the only profession qualified to be leaders of the community are classically-trained psychoanalysts.
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Ogmius815 posted:ITT people who ostensibly believe that state action is necessary as a check on the powerful pointlessly disparage the people who know how the state actually works. Why? Because some of them, but not most or all, are kind of wealthy. Not even like, capitalist class wealthy, just wealthy for professionals. The left ladies and gentlemen. That would be political scientists, not lawyers. Law =/= the state.
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Doctors in general are conservative and I doubt many would support MFA.
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Sep 30, 2017 22:45
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Gimme a break! Political Scientists don't have the slightest idea how the state actually functions.
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Condiv posted:i'm not worried about lawyers being evil or something, but having too many of one specific profession acting as our leaders is a bad idea in general We're arguing that it doesn't matter and you're latching on to a really weird thing to argue about because there's no evidence "lawyers" are why trump is president or whatever the gently caress, and banning "lawyers" won't solve the actual problem of the inability of people of lower economic status to participate in politics and become politicians. You haven't identified the problem so you're flailing about lawyers being mean or something and it's not a good look. Also scientists are starting to become more involved in politics specifically because of Trump. The main reason they didn't is because of the main reason they became scientists in the first place: what they care about is the science and understanding new things, not writing laws.
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The Kingfish posted:Gimme a break! Political Scientists don't have the slightest idea how the state actually functions. Correct, kill political scientists as well. yronic heroism posted:Doctors in general are conservative as gently caress and definitely have no interest in MFA. I like your idea of purging doctors from society, but I think it would be more useful to incarcerate them in forced labor camps where they could train physicians outside the constraints of bourgeois notions of medicine (e.g. the idea that morbid obesity is bad for you)
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Sep 30, 2017 22:57
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I'm tangentially involved with politics and law, I'm guessing I die too?
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Sep 30, 2017 23:00
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I know it would all end in an internet posting machine Tell my family I lov--
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This is a pretty dumb derail from the much more interesting topic of that one Clintonista's ridiculously elitist tweet about Sanders.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:We're arguing that it doesn't matter and you're latching on to a really weird thing to argue about because there's no evidence "lawyers" are why trump is president or whatever the gently caress, and banning "lawyers" won't solve the actual problem of the inability of people of lower economic status to participate in politics and become politicians. You haven't identified the problem so you're flailing about lawyers being mean or something and it's not a good look. i'm not saying lawyers are mean or that trump is pres cause of lawyers or anything like that. diverse perspectives in leadership is a p good thing and you don't have that when your leadership is mostly lawyers.
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Sep 30, 2017 23:05
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Compromise: Ban prosecutors and ambulance chasers only
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Dr Christmas posted:Trump is different than other potential billionaire candidates such as Oprah and Zuckerberg because he's not an out of touch elistist. You might think otherwise, what with Trump inheriting his father's real estate empire and living in a gold tower while Oprah grew up in rural Mississippi and inner-city Milwaukee and Zuckerberg having a (correct me if I'm wrong) middle class background, but that's not what makes one relatable. What makes him relatable is that he hates the same people they hate. That's it. You'd think a man who spent so much time bragging that his ostentatious wealth sets him apart from lesser mortals would be the platonic ideal of an elitist, but he's not because he hates the same brown people his base does. He hates them so much he wants to give them massive tax cuts.
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It's pretty amazing just how kneejerk people went off of the incredibly hostile messages of "maybe other professions should also be senators" and "it would be good if bills were easier for the public to read" I mean, the way people were throwing around Sean Spicer and Trump, you'd think people in here were yelling for single sentence bills by their dealers.
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https://twitter.com/kimkardashian/status/914235259620749312 https://twitter.com/alexburnsnyt/status/914259503406821376
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/kimkardashian/status/914235259620749312 I'd vote for her to get Kanye in the White House 
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aBagorn posted:I'd vote for her to get Kanye in the White House Kanye is a sad case of a clearly mentally ill man not getting the treatment he desperately needs.
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