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Timby posted:I believe the working theory, and again this is just spitballing, is that Flashpoint will be used to write Affleck out and replace him with a younger actor. My mother said to me as a kid, if you havent got anything nice to say, then dont say anything at all
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A big chunk of my interest in JL is Ben Affleck. Especially now that Whedon is bringing it home. I think, in this instance, the meta story kind of helps. The rest of the actors in the League are generally newcomers and Affleck is old-hat. His actual tired, puffy, addict appearance really helps sell this Batman.
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Sep 28, 2017 23:12
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Is Batman always the oldest super hero in the "modern" era? I don't think I've ever seen it really discussed. Marvel you have a pretty clear timeline of oldest heroes - > newest. I also thought Batman was supposed to be in his mid-forties at the most for BvS? Flashpoint could theoretically take place a little bit earlier if they wanted to screw around a little with the timelines. Yes, I'm going to fight hard for Thomas Wayne Batman.
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Sep 28, 2017 23:22
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Detective No. 27 posted:I dunno how Flashpoint Batman and Joker would work out. Bruce Wayne is in his 50s in BvS. If Thomas Wayne is Batman in the Flashpoint movie, then he'd be an at minimum 70 year old Batman. It's explained in flashpoint that Barry saving his mom causes ripple effects that alter events even before his interference, and on a larger scale. Like Supes pod landing in and blowing up Metropolis and the Wayne's mugging ending up different. /Nerd out
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Sep 28, 2017 23:26
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Are people asking for us to explain poo poo in regards to the speed force? Cause I think the popular understanding is that we ain't gotta.
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Diabetic posted:Is Batman always the oldest super hero in the "modern" era? I don't think I've ever seen it really discussed. Marvel you have a pretty clear timeline of oldest heroes - > newest. Depends on what you mean as "oldest" Age-wise Bruce tends to be roughly the same age as Clark, maybe slightly older while Diana is usually the oldest character in virtue of being either a demi goddess or born from magic. As active hero, Superman is normally the first one to go public. Thomas was also pushing 60s on the Flashpoint comic and he made up for his age by using guns, tons of guns. He was also kind of a crappy detective. There's another alternate version of Thomas as Batman that used Miraclo (a precursor of Bane's Venom) to give himself an edge.
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Sep 29, 2017 00:56
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Depends on what you mean as "oldest" Age-wise Bruce tends to be roughly the same age as Clark, maybe slightly older while Diana is usually the oldest character in virtue of being either a demi goddess or born from magic. As active hero, Superman is normally the first one to go public. I don't know a lot about DC, so I never knew there was a connection here, but isn't Miraclo the drug Hour Man used?
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Sep 29, 2017 01:16
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Yeah, this version of Thomas stole it from Hourman.
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Sep 29, 2017 01:50
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https://twitter.com/heroichollywood/status/913469733952999424
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Sep 29, 2017 02:14
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I’m totally fine with Elfman paying homage to the classic Superman theme, but the interview was just... kinda ugh. Yes, he did mention that he will use the theme in a new context, but Elfman putting it on this untouchable pedestal annoyed me, tbh. The two well-liked and most recent Superman themes (MoS and Superman: The Animated Series) are not radical tonal departures from 1978 theme, so I don’t get his claim that DC was “running away” from its past and heritage.
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Sep 29, 2017 05:36
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Yeah, I want them to keep trying new things with the characters, not to repackage the same stuff that worked once again and again and again.
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Sep 29, 2017 05:48
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Depending on the version, Batman is sometimes the oldest of the 'modern' superheroes, but some of the comics incorporate the classic heroes such as the Justice Society of America as previous generations of superheroes, with Wildcat showing up as a mentor to most of the physically-oriented street-level heroes, including Batman, Green Arrow and Black Canary. Rather fitting these days given a lot of franchises have 'kids getting involved in the latest generation of ongoing adventures and weirdness' as setups rather than everything starting with them. (Probably fitting for the generational attitude of millennials feeling late to the party)
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Sep 29, 2017 07:28
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Jerk McJerkface posted:Everything's bullshitted in an extremely unconvincing and ridiculous manner in flashpoint
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Sep 29, 2017 12:20
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https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/913720188666810369
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Equeen posted:I’m totally fine with Elfman paying homage to the classic Superman theme, but the interview was just... kinda ugh. Yes, he did mention that he will use the theme in a new context, but Elfman putting it on this untouchable pedestal annoyed me, tbh. The two well-liked and most recent Superman themes (MoS and Superman: The Animated Series) are not radical tonal departures from 1978 theme, so I don’t get his claim that DC was “running away” from its past and heritage. Danny Elfman has no original ideas any more. He hasn't produced anything good in over a decade at this point. Nothing he will put in the film will be as good as the music in the most recent trailer, which is what he should be going for.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Yeah, I want them to keep trying new things with the characters, not to repackage the same stuff that worked once again and again and again. I agree in general, but it seems pretty harmless if it's as he says, literally a minute of the motif as a reference. He said it right after he references the WW theme that everyone likes, which has already been used in 1/2 the movies the Superman one was. He just calls it a fan moment, I don't think it means you won't hear any motifs from MoS or whatever necessarily. I can't say I'm up to date on the stuff Elfman does for the last decade, but I'll admit that Zimmer hasn't exactly set my world on fire with his recent stuff either. I liked MoS score for the most part but BvS didn't have much memorable to me besides WW, who knows what share of that was his though. He does say he put a new Flash/Aqua/Cyborg theme in, I'm not ready to say "he has no original ideas anymore" without actually hearing them. It'll probably still be better than most of the Marvel scores.
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I watched Kung Fu Panda the other week and was surprised to find the score was by Zimmer. Definitely has a range
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Electromax posted:I agree in general, but it seems pretty harmless if it's as he says, literally a minute of the motif as a reference. He said it right after he references the WW theme that everyone likes, which has already been used in 1/2 the movies the Superman one was. He just calls it a fan moment, I don't think it means you won't hear any motifs from MoS or whatever necessarily. Hans Zimmer completely came up with the Wonder Woman theme, and his scoring in "Is She With You" in BvS is miles better than anything in the Wonder Woman score, which incorporates that theme. Also, anything he does with Nolan is generally different and gold in different ways (ie. compare Dunkirk to Interstellar). Part of the storytelling in MoS/BvS is how the Clark and Superman themes play into what is going on, on screen, and that's part of what make both films as good as they are. Purposely not using "Flight" in BvS and constraining everything to Clark's theme was obviously reserved for "Flight" to come back in Justice League, even if Junkie XL or whoever did it. Not getting to hear Flight on Clark's return is criminal with the continual storytelling of the films. It's like if Zimmer left on DKR and you started hearing the 89 Batman theme everywhere as opposed to the evolution of what we've been hearing for the entire series.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:59
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ImpAtom posted:It will probably be Flashpoint in Name Only with some vague similarities, like how Civil War was Civil War in name only. I don't know, it pretty accurately recreated the comics' confusing mediocrity that failed to make any point.
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Timby posted:I believe the working theory, and again this is just spitballing, is that Flashpoint will be used to write Affleck out and replace him with a younger actor. This is pretty plausible. The physical regimen he's on would be tricky for an actor ten or even 15 years younger than him.
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Sep 30, 2017 01:40
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Darko posted:Hans Zimmer completely came up with the Wonder Woman theme, and his scoring in "Is She With You" in BvS is miles better than anything in the Wonder Woman score, which incorporates that theme. Rupert Gregson-Williams did some cool stuff with WW's theme though, imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTXVY9bDtVY
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Sep 30, 2017 02:09
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Ezra Miller is so delightfully weird and upbeat.
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Sep 30, 2017 02:17
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i'm batm,an
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Snowman_McK posted:This is pretty plausible. The physical regimen he's on would be tricky for an actor ten or even 15 years younger than him. Studio: OK Ben, to play Batman we need you on a strict physical regimen. Affleck: Alright, I'll do it. Studio: And when you're done, we're going to stick you in a Batman suit that makes you look fat.
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Davros1 posted:Studio: OK Ben, to play Batman we need you on a strict physical regimen.
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Davros1 posted:Studio: OK Ben, to play Batman we need you on a strict physical regimen. Affleck has ended up, despite being in great shape, kind of looking, in the face, like he isn't. Doesn't he get really out of shape in between movies? Kind of like Russel Crowe? I remember by the time Crowe did 'Cinderella Man' his skin looked like it was only staying on his body because it was obligated to. He'd get fat between movies, then lose it quite quickly, which resulted in a stretched look. I can see Affleck having something similar if he's not careful.
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What's Christian Bale's secret to not looking that bad? Dude went almost back to back to the total extremes with Equilibrium, The Machinist, Batman Begins, Rescue Dawn, The Dark Knight.
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Neo Rasa posted:What's Christian Bale's secret to not looking that bad? Dude went almost back to back to the total extremes with Equilibrium, The Machinist, Batman Begins, Rescue Dawn, The Dark Knight. His face always looked like a Halloween skull mask so
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Professor Clumsy posted:i'm batm,an The dark knight returns!
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Neo Rasa posted:What's Christian Bale's secret to not looking that bad? Dude went almost back to back to the total extremes with Equilibrium, The Machinist, Batman Begins, Rescue Dawn, The Dark Knight. I'm not any kind of specialist, but at a guess, his physical yoyoing is the product of very specific regimes, rather than just being a fat gently caress in Crowe's case and a really heavy drinker in Affleck's
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Ben Affleck is a beautiful human being regardless of his heavy drinking and tomfoolery with the ladies.
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The real question is what happens to the actor cast to play those guys in the biopic about their dangerous weight fluctuations.
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Snowman_McK posted:Affleck has ended up, despite being in great shape, kind of looking, in the face, like he isn't. Doesn't he get really out of shape in between movies? Kind of like Russel Crowe? I remember by the time Crowe did 'Cinderella Man' his skin looked like it was only staying on his body because it was obligated to. He'd get fat between movies, then lose it quite quickly, which resulted in a stretched look. I can see Affleck having something similar if he's not careful. The cowl really doesn't help Affleck. If you look at Keaton's, by cutting out the parts around the cheeks, exposing more of his face, it actually makes him look narrower. Plus it's angle to give him the appearance of a neck. The v-shape jaw opening makes his cheeks look bigger despite showing less, and the neck's sculpted in such a way it makes it appear that he doesn't have a neck, which makes him look fat.
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Davros1 posted:The cowl really doesn't help Affleck. If you look at Keaton's, by cutting out the parts around the cheeks, exposing more of his face, it actually makes him look narrower. Plus it's angle to give him the appearance of a neck. The v-shape jaw opening makes his cheeks look bigger despite showing less, and the neck's sculpted in such a way it makes it appear that he doesn't have a neck, which makes him look fat. I think it works with the general Dark Knight Returns comic aesthetic they have going on with him. He's huge and thick like an old heavyweight boxer, not lean and trim like an athlete in his prime.
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It works, and I really like the look. It's reminiscent of an old timey strongman a little, as well.
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McSpanky posted:I think it works with the general Dark Knight Returns comic aesthetic they have going on with him. He's huge and thick like an old heavyweight boxer, not lean and trim like an athlete in his prime. It's not just the aesthetic they're going for (although they cut out Jena Malone as Carrie Kelley, which makes me mad), but that specific design refers to the character's backstory as one who's descended to selfrighteous delusions.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's not just the aesthetic they're going for (although they cut out Jena Malone as Carrie Kelley, which makes me mad), but that specific design refers to the character's backstory as one who's descended to selfrighteous delusions. Real talk, Bruce squinting at the origins of his family's wealth until he can pretend they lend badass symbolic gravitas to his quest one of the best parts of the movie
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Yeah, Alfred outright states they became rich from oil and property development, but Bruce is all like "lol no, they were totally badass hunters". Whatever you say man
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McCloud posted:Yeah, Alfred outright states they became rich from oil and property development, but Bruce is all like "lol no, they were totally badass hunters". He's technically correct. If you go back far enough, your ancestors were hunters. Gatherers , too.
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