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Macarius Wrench posted:Unpopular opinion: Transexual people are just people who are physically dis-satisfied with themselves and want to make an extreme change just like someone getting a nose-job or a boob job or getting that whacko surgery that makes you 3 inches taller by breaking your legs and healing the bone in stages. You only live once. If you don't like your body for whatever reason and have the means to change that, why shouldn't you?
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Dross posted:This is a thing? I'd like to be 6 foot even. It's certainly a medical procedure, google Ilizarov apparatus, it's normally used to treat people who have one shorter leg to stop spinal problems in later life although if you've got the money you could feasibly do it to increase your height. It sounds awful though, they continually break your legs and them space out the bone fractions of an inch at a time and as it continually heals it slowly gains length. Power_of_the_glory posted:You only live once. If you don't like your body for whatever reason and have the means to change that, why shouldn't you? There's no reason you shouldn't, I just find the entire thing bizarre. I've struggled with body issues my whole life (male, 5'5, always been a bit fat) but I just find it easier to be at peace with that. Even the idea of someone surgically re-shaping their nose sounds insane to me, I just can't comprehend how someone feels that changing that part of their physical appearance will give them mental satisfaction.
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I actually like the Joel Schumacher Batman films. I enjoyed them as a kid and they're still entertaining to watch as an adult.
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Macarius Wrench posted:Unpopular opinion: Transexual people are just people who are physically dis-satisfied with themselves and want to make an extreme change just like someone getting a nose-job or a boob job or getting that whacko surgery that makes you 3 inches taller by breaking your legs and healing the bone in stages. Here's a popular opinion: you're actually just a lovely person. Macarius Wrench posted:We live in a world where people actively feel sexual attraction to children, animals and transgender people. When you think about it, porny anime games are pretty tame.
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Power_of_the_glory posted:You only live once. People that believe in reincarnation make up about 25% of the world. I guess they don't count to you.
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Jastiger posted:Trump is a bad president, and anyone that still supports him or the Republican party is more than likely a bad person. Maybe I'm totally wrong about how politics used to be, but I feel like there's been a fundamental shift in the way politics work these days. I feel like half a century ago it went like this. "Problem X exists. How do we deal with it?" Liberals: We should do A! Conservatives: We should do B!" But now it's more like: "Problem X exists. How do we deal with it?" Liberals: We should do A! Conservatives: Problem X does not exist! It's not longer about about a difference in policy, it's about whether or things even exist in the first place and with conservatives living in a complete different reality.
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Macarius Wrench posted:There's no reason you shouldn't, I just find the entire thing bizarre. I've struggled with body issues my whole life (male, 5'5, always been a bit fat) but I just find it easier to be at peace with that. Even the idea of someone surgically re-shaping their nose sounds insane to me, I just can't comprehend how someone feels that changing that part of their physical appearance will give them mental satisfaction. in all fairness it normally comes down to being treated by others the way you feel you should be treated, within reason in many cases, and the way some people get treated by others just for a minor thing can be downright cruel no one would care about their nose, for example, if others didn't give them poo poo over it (although when someone's judgement is compromised by full-on body dysmorphia they might mistakenly perceive that everyone cares a lot when in reality no one does and ideally that option gets ruled out early) and while it would be nice if we didn't have to mold our appearance to suit other people's expectations just to elicit certain nearly universal dignities from them that other people just get for looking a certain way, molding is a medical option when it's safe to do so and likely to produce to the desired effect it's perfectly understandable imho that if there's no other way to get some basic dignities from others that someone would consider a radical but safe/standard medical procedure; like i guess you could just resign yourself to the fact that you won't get a procedure and might never be satisfied by the way people treat you and so harden yourself to that fact but unless you can rise completely above the actions of others it'll cause you stress all your life hard counter has a new favorite as of 02:13 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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Even in the 1930s a lot of liberal writers bitched about how the conservatives don't want anything to be done and prefer to bring America back to some vague past when it was better. Even earlier people like Walt Whitman said the same. Conservatives don't want change or progress.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:50
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Oct 1, 2017 20:53
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A big reason Trump even won was that the Democrats/Hillary were mostly unwilling to acknowledge that there was even a serious problem among blue collar workers, leading to people just not giving a poo poo. It's not really a clear cut Repub/Dem problem even if it does tend to be more pronounced on the conservative side.
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Trump is pushing both parties over to this protectionist position that will only end poorly for everyone.
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Macarius Wrench posted:Unpopular opinion: Transexual people are just people who are physically dis-satisfied with themselves and want to make an extreme change just like someone getting a nose-job or a boob job or getting that whacko surgery that makes you 3 inches taller by breaking your legs and healing the bone in stages. More like an ignorant opinion
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Oct 1, 2017 22:10
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Spinning Robo posted:A big reason Trump even won was that the Democrats/Hillary were mostly unwilling to acknowledge that there was even a serious problem among blue collar workers, leading to people just not giving a poo poo. It's not really a clear cut Repub/Dem problem even if it does tend to be more pronounced on the conservative side. Yeah, but, like, all the blue-collar workers who voted for Trump, did so because he was all "Hey, you know why things are hard for you? Brown people!" So, gently caress'em?  That and all that good old voter suppression!
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Oct 1, 2017 22:28
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oldpainless posted:People that believe in reincarnation make up about 25% of the world. I guess they don't count to you. Well it's not like you get the same body when you're reincarnated. You only live in this body once, do what you want with it
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Oct 1, 2017 22:35
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Aramek posted:Yeah, but, like, all the blue-collar workers who voted for Trump, did so because he was all "Hey, you know why things are hard for you? Brown people!" Eh, Hillary's position was that they were trash people who didn't count. It seems to me politics have become a binary where if Side A is for something, their entire focus is implying Side B isn't for it even if it's not part of Side B's platform. I would really just like to know what Side A intends to do, not what Side B doesn't intend to do. Also plastic surgery is fine, even cosmetically. If someone feels better about themselves, they act more confidently and people really do treat them accordingly. Looks do matter no matter how often we tell each other they don't and shouldn't. It sucks, but that's how it goes.
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Master Twig posted:Maybe I'm totally wrong about how politics used to be, but I feel like there's been a fundamental shift in the way politics work these days. Well Conservatism has always been horse poo poo, and I think what we're seeing isn't some "crazy weird spooky" change in the paradigm of politics, its simply Conservative ideals combined with Technology and Time. Its working as intended, keeping people stupid and ignorant of real issues in order to benefit the few at the top. We're just more aware of it now and its crossing over into general knowledge stuff like Birth Certificates and Climate Change. Its always been there, we can just see it plain as day-and those hoodwinked either can't or won't. Das Boo posted:Eh, Hillary's position was that they were trash people who didn't count. PHUO: Clinton was actually cool and good, and while she could have done abetter job campaigning, on nearly every metric people criticize her positions she's light years ahead of the GOP for the working class/blue collar. Politically it would have been smart to go to WI and MI, but she really shouldn't have had to, those people should just have their heads out of their rear end. I think her weakness wasn't that she didn't care enough, I think its that she trusted people to not be idiots and it bit her in the rear end for believing in Middle America.
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Das Boo posted:Eh, Hillary's position was that they were trash people who didn't count. Turns out if you don't constantly loving coddle and pay attention to them they start believing things like this! Like literal god damned children! "Aww man, things are rough in life, I have two and only two options to pick from on election day, a boring but otherwise good choice that'll only make things better for me, or one that'll directly make things worse for almost everyone. Man, guess I'll stay home because I don't feel loved."
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Jastiger posted:PHUO: Clinton was actually cool and good, and while she could have done abetter job campaigning, on nearly every metric people criticize her positions she's light years ahead of the GOP for the working class/blue collar. Politically it would have been smart to go to WI and MI, but she really shouldn't have had to, those people should just have their heads out of their rear end. I think her weakness wasn't that she didn't care enough, I think its that she trusted people to not be idiots and it bit her in the rear end for believing in Middle America. My unpopular opinion: this is all completely accurate. People like to blame Clinton because they don't like her but the real villain of 2016 was the voters who were too loving stupid to make what was quite possibly the easiest voting decision in the history of American presidential elections
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Das Boo posted:Also plastic surgery is fine, even cosmetically. If someone feels better about themselves, they act more confidently and people really do treat them accordingly. Looks do matter no matter how often we tell each other they don't and shouldn't. It sucks, but that's how it goes. Agreed, and it also really doesn't have to stem from a self-confidence issue. A virtually risk-free cosmetic surgery isn't really different from a tattoo, or a piercing, or just generally puttting effort into your apperance, I think. Beauty-care, fashion and stuff that is related to appearance, also really isn't more inherently vain or shallow than placing pride in something like knowing obtuse hobbyist minutiae. Beauty-care is both a valuable skill and to some extent has aspects of health-care.
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Master Twig posted:Maybe I'm totally wrong about how politics used to be, but I feel like there's been a fundamental shift in the way politics work these days. "Problem X exists. It has an obvious and/or simple solution." Party A: We support that solution. Party B: We recognize that it's the best solution, but since Party A supports it we oppose it. Politics in the US are now pretty much black and white nowadays and there seems to be no room for compromise or cooperation. There's an interesting paper on the subject here: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0123507 which illustrates the change in how representatives in the house cooperate across party borders and how it's gotten more and more partisan over the years. The US really needs to ditch their two party system and implement a modern voting system. But that's unlikely to happen since it would have to be implemented by the people who stand to profit from keeping the current system.
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They blame her because she lost to an orange idiot. Blame the voters OK LOL its called democracy
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Aramek posted:Turns out if you don't constantly loving coddle and pay attention to them they start believing things like this! Like literal god damned children! Wait, are you talking about Democrats?
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doverhog posted:They blame her because she lost to an orange idiot. Blame the voters OK LOL its called democracy Is it really that bizarre to say that maybe voters might be at fault for making an incredibly lovely decision?
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Grandmother of Five posted:Agreed, and it also really doesn't have to stem from a self-confidence issue. A virtually risk-free cosmetic surgery isn't really different from a tattoo, or a piercing, or just generally puttting effort into your apperance, I think. Beauty care, fashion, etc. is a way to signal to people you embrace society, and have the money, dedication and time to spend on something "trivial".
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doverhog posted:Beauty care, fashion, etc. is a way to signal to people you embrace society, and have the money, dedication and time to spend on something "trivial". Sure there is signal value, but all hobbies and interests are in part identifiers. Fashion and beauty-care incorporates elements of creativity and design, and can be as worthwhile a creative outlet as any other, and may be used as part of counter-culture, as well, and are skills with worthwhile practical application. How they are more trivial than other hobbies, I don't really see.
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Being trivial is the entire point of any hobby.
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dissss posted:Being trivial is the entire point of any hobby. Yes, and that makes it dumb to consider fashion and beauty-care more trivial & shallow than other hobbies.
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Grandmother of Five posted:How they are more trivial than other hobbies, I don't really see. That's why trivial was in quotes. In fact they are far less trivial than most other "hobbies", because the group in which they provide value is the whole of society, instead of a hobbyist sub-culture. Is an artist that never sells a painting a hobbyist? Are her works trivial?
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doverhog posted:Do you blame the ocean for the storm? No I blame voters for that too
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Grandmother of Five posted:Beauty-care, fashion and stuff that is related to appearance, also really isn't more inherently vain or shallow than placing pride in something like knowing obtuse hobbyist minutiae. Beauty-care is both a valuable skill and to some extent has aspects of health-care. while i agree in general i can also see how the fashion/beauty standards beneath it all can ultimately exclude people who don't really deserve it in rather exacting way, socially, when they can't meet current beauty/fashion standards for whatever reason and there's a (minor) extent to which people strongly participating in those trends reinforces it someone taking care of themselves and their appearance is a fine thing, it just sucks that the underlying standards themselves are kind of steeped in a certain kind of superficial vanity that sometimes goes too far in what it requires of people - like shaving off neckbeards is one thing but making sure everyone has a trendy thigh gap is another - and sometimes it feels like there's no win scenario where everyone can look good after putting effort into their appearance because the playing field just re-levels to account for higher standards, for e.g. makeup being quasi-mandatory just to look normal for women
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hard counter posted:while i agree in general i can also see how the fashion/beauty standards beneath it all can ultimately exclude people who don't really deserve it in rather exacting way, socially, when they can't meet current beauty/fashion standards for whatever reason and there's a (minor) extent to which people strongly participating in those trends reinforces it Yeah, you're right, and I would like to avoid inadvertently defending stuff that promotes unrealistic and unhealthy body-ideals and elitism. I feel that it is largely true within hobbies, that the healthiest and most constructive way to develop a hobby, is in competition with yourself; by setting goals and milestones that are realistic to attain, and which remains enjoyable. That goes for both fashion and beauty-care and extends to general fitness and exercise, which has a big crossover with fashion and beauty, and shares some of the same problems about promoting unrealistic body images. doverhog posted:That's why trivial was in quotes. In fact they are far less trivial than most other "hobbies", because the group in which they provide value is the whole of society, instead of a hobbyist sub-culture. Apologies, I definitely misread you. I agree, about fashion and beauty-care encompassing that quality. doverhog posted:Is an artist that never sells a painting a hobbyist? Are her works trivial? I think that is an interesting question, but I'm not sure if it is intended as rhetorical question, or how interesting it might for others. Since you have PMs, feel free to hit me up by PM on the topic, if you'd like  As an aside, that's something I'd have asked you more than a few times in the course of this thread, hard counter, if you had PMs :P
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U-DO Burger posted:My unpopular opinion: this is all completely accurate. People like to blame Clinton because they don't like her but the real villain of 2016 was the voters who were too loving stupid to make what was quite possibly the easiest voting decision in the history of American presidential elections Yeah if Hillary didn't even campaign and just let Trump do everything he did I would still 100% blame the idiots who voted against her/didn't vote for what happened because that was such an absolute travesty of a result that there's no real way to excuse it
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yeah i should probably look into getting more features on this account, it'd be at least nice to not have this guy as my 'tar but i'd have to find a neat replacement first i originally just bought it so i could post and vent about a few hobbies my irl friends don't share, who knew i'd enjoy posting with jastiger this much
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Collateral Damage posted:There's also the issue of: It wasn't necesarily less dumb in the 1800s when then it was like Party A: We Support this solution Party B: We are essentially on board but WE WILL loving MURDER YOU BECAUSE ITS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WANT *Old men beat each other with canes*
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Macarius Wrench posted:There's no reason you shouldn't, I just find the entire thing bizarre. I've struggled with body issues my whole life (male, 5'5, always been a bit fat) but I just find it easier to be at peace with that. Even the idea of someone surgically re-shaping their nose sounds insane to me, I just can't comprehend how someone feels that changing that part of their physical appearance will give them mental satisfaction. Like, when you see someone doing something you don't understand, you have two ways to look at that. Either "they are crazy, only I am rational" or "I guess their experience is different to mine". You say you struggle with body issues and you assume that gives you insight into other people's experiences, but if the lengths others go to to cope with their body issues seem insane to you then maybe they're feeling something you're not. doverhog posted:That's why trivial was in quotes. In fact they are far less trivial than most other "hobbies", because the group in which they provide value is the whole of society, instead of a hobbyist sub-culture.
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Nobody is owed a vote ever, and if people feel so uninspired to not vote in general, that's on you
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Saagonsa posted:Nobody is owed a vote ever, and if people feel so uninspired to not vote in general, that's on you In some countries someone is literally owed a vote by law. That's pretty obviously not a great idea though
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Tiggum posted:Like, when you see someone doing something you don't understand, you have two ways to look at that. Either "they are crazy, only I am rational" or "I guess their experience is different to mine". You say you struggle with body issues and you assume that gives you insight into other people's experiences, but if the lengths others go to to cope with their body issues seem insane to you then maybe they're feeling something you're not. Thank you for pointing out I am a psychopath
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