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SpaceDrake posted:The question is going to be how they got an automatic, because any debates about gun laws aside, full automatics - like the one used here blatantly is - are already dazzlingly illegal and have been so for decades. And a heavy automatic and the several hundred rounds of ammunition you can hear being fired on camera aren't exactly casual luggage. there's a bunch of gun ranges in vegas with full auto weapons
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Niton posted:Nevada is famous (infamous?) for being filled with borderline White Supremacist militia types. They have all sorts of weird and hilariously illegal poo poo, and they've pointed it at both regular police officers (with fatalities!) as well as the goddamn feds. Knowing that doesn't bring us any closer to solving the problem, but it does give us a good idea of who may have had the weapons to begin with. business hammocks posted:When automatic weapons were outlawed they let people keep ones made before the bill passed. They cost millions of dollars now and are hoarded by exactly the people you would expect. They pop up in weird places too—the killer cop who planted a gun on the guy he killed who just got acquitted carried a loving kalashnikov he picked up somewhere on a cop salary. The Muppets On PCP posted:there's a bunch of gun ranges in vegas with full auto weapons Welp I knew about automatics being grandfathered in (I've actually seen a Sten on display in a shop once, for hilarious bucks) but automatic shootings are still rare enough that it's always a bit hard to process people getting their hands on that hardware at all. Looks like every hotel in Vegas is going to have metal detectors at the door from now on. Also, oh god  https://twitter.com/CNN/status/914771796007817216
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business hammocks posted:They cost millions of dollars now and are hoarded by exactly the people you would expect. NFA guns aren't that uncommon and you can get them for sub-10k prices if you feel like it. You can basically convert some older AR-15 models to FA with a lightning link:  Side note you could also get parts manufactured legally that in fact would give illegal FA fire if you dropped them in a gun. Amazon removed a full auto selector for Glock model airsoft guns that were made from steel and could be fit in actual firearms just last month. If I recall correctly the number of incidents involving legally owned full-auto guns can basically be counted on one hand. One of them involved a gun store owner fending off a biker gang trying to kill him and steal his guns.
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The target is really bizarre, a country music concert in Las Vegas. It seems like an opportunistic or last-ditch attack, e.g. attacker felt cornered or that he was gonna get caught, or he just wanted to shoot up a ton of people and theorycrafted the perfect scenario (large crowd next to a hotel somewhere close-ish to where he lived). This and the method definitely sound like domestic right-wing terrorism but we'll see; expect a lot of "he was just a crazy lone wolf" takes.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:The target is really bizarre, a country music concert in Las Vegas. white people and their culture of violence
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SulphagneSocialist posted:The target is really bizarre, a country music concert in Las Vegas. It seems like an opportunistic or last-ditch attack, e.g. attacker felt cornered or that he was gonna get caught, or he just wanted to shoot up a ton of people and theorycrafted the perfect scenario (large crowd next to a hotel somewhere close-ish to where he lived). We're all spitballing right now, but it doesn't strike me as a off-the-cuff thing. He had to arrange access to that room in the Mandalay, and it seemed like he picked a spot that he thought would give him good fields of fire to the crowd. This seems fairly well-planned. also yep we're already calling him a ~~~lone wolf~~~ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.b1d3a7bd0d3c
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Yeah, that's what I was calling "theorycrafting."The Muppets On PCP posted:white people and their culture of violence Holy poo poo, you're right, as in if there was a shooting at a rap concert this would be the chorus.
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SpaceDrake posted:also yep we're already calling him a ~~~lone wolf~~~ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.b1d3a7bd0d3c quote:Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said police believe the suspect, a local resident, was a “lone wolf” who acted on his own. He but did not identify the gunman and declined to give further details about him. Everyone please enjoy the next two or three days of it being "Not Time to Talk About Guns" and remember to refrain from "Politicizing This Tragedy". The only thing to take away from this event is that it was a sad thing, and also we can forget about Puerto Rico because this shooting happened more recently and is therefore more important and relevant.
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Inferior Third Season posted:There are no further details to give. All of the important ones are included by the description "lone wolf". Also lots of thoughts and prayers. Can't forget the thoughts and prayers. Maybe I'm broken in the head - or maybe it's the galaxy-brain take - but I just can't be angry at the fucker who is already dead himself anyway, I'm far angrier at the fact that nothing sensible will come out of this and society at large will not react to it in an appropriate or healthy manner.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:I just can't be angry at the fucker who is already dead himself anyway You should be, because they killed 20+ loving people for either no or no good reason.
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I just feel sick knowing nothing's going to happen that will prevent the next one. A friend of mine is cat-sitting for a friend of hers who is on vacation in Las Vegas. I know the chances that she was hit are small, but I hate that I have to think about that and will always have to think about it because there will be no end to these killings because America has decided it doesn't care.
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business hammocks posted:I just feel sick knowing nothing's going to happen that will prevent the next one. It's literally now just the price we pay for the 2nd amendment and our insane interpretation of it.
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A lot of crazies live in the Southwest, but I don't think Nevada is uniquely crazy. A lot of the nutty anti-fed people from a few years ago traveled here from other states. Utah is more fanatical and Arizona is more fascist. These hotels don't have windows you can open, so he probably smashed it prior. It also took about 30 minutes before SWAT broke into his room. He fired for about 90 seconds and then spent about half an hour apparently sitting in his room instead of walking out before people could put two and two together. Local news here just now says he has no prior record and is beginning the "who could have known" shtick.
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loving gently caress. One of my exes lives in Vegas as a party promoter and musician (he is safe) and my second ex was there for the festival (they were actually partying together at earlier this week from their drunk texts) and I cant get in touch with him. Hoping against hope he got drunk early and slept through everything or can't get online (from what I'm told phones and internet has been jammed to crawl) ugh
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Koalas March posted:loving gently caress. One of my exes lives in Vegas as a party promoter and musician (he is safe) and my second ex was there for the festival (they were actually partying together at earlier this week from their drunk texts) and I cant get in touch with him. Hoping against hope he got drunk early and slept through everything or can't get online (from what I'm told phones and internet has been jammed to crawl) ugh Yeah a couple of my friends who work in night life in vegas have yet to check in, I'm holding on to the fact that they are probably asleep still.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:
Yeah, I don't think a right-wing nut shoots up a country music festival.
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Chilichimp posted:Yeah, I don't think a right-wing nut shoots up a country music festival. Why not, that's a weird rear end implication.
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Yardbomb posted:Why not, that's a weird rear end implication. Because when I think of red neck gun nut, I immediately think about country music. The two go hand in hand. There are twitter accounts spamming out that this guy who did the attack is a Rachel Maddow and Anti-Trump fan. Probably bots but who knows.
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/pol/ found a facebook of a guy with the same last name as the woman that was involved. Thats the guy they are fingering, he lives in Arkansas or something.
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Enigma89 posted:Because when I think of red neck gun nut, I immediately think about country music. The two go hand in hand. That was apparently the woman's husband who's so far unrelated to this in any way. Yardbomb posted:Why not, that's a weird rear end implication. If a right-winger wanted to shoot up a target, it wouldn't be a concert chock full of other right-wing people. I'm not saying country music = trump supporter, I'm saying it's a popular music genre for people that speak with a twang and a lot of those people vote red and that's not really a secret.
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Enigma89 posted:Because when I think of red neck gun nut, I immediately think about country music. The two go hand in hand. That would probably be Geary Danley, not Stephen Paddock, who is married to the person of interest and not the shooter.
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Chilichimp posted:If a right-winger wanted to shoot up a target, it wouldn't be a concert chock full of other right-wing people. You're assuming a guy who decided to shoot a bunch of people from a hotel window usually makes rational decisions.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You're assuming a guy who decided to shoot a bunch of people from a hotel window usually makes rational decisions. Getting a truckload of guns to the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel takes some lucidity.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You're assuming a guy who decided to shoot a bunch of people from a hotel window usually makes rational decisions. They do tend to make rational decisions, in the sense that they have a reason for what they do. The issue is that trying to divine the shooter's motive from the genre of music is kind of reading tea leaves right now. Could be relevant but could just be about the number of people in one place.
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TGLT posted:They do tend to make rational decisions, in the sense that they have a reason for what they do. The issue is that trying to divine the shooter's motive from the genre of music is kind of reading tea leaves right now. Could be relevant but could just be about the number of people in one place. Yeah, by asserting what I did, I was engaging in the conversation a few posters were having about right-wing political motives. We don't know poo poo yet, and I hope we never do, I wake up and find out this was a dream and I really just wet the bed.
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Chilichimp posted:Yeah, by asserting what I did, I was engaging in the conversation a few posters were having about right-wing political motives. Oh of course. Like yeah old white dude with guns, but Nevada also broke for Clinton and it's not like you need to be a registered Republican to buy a gun. edit: Really I guess the only conclusion to be drawn is if you're white, media's going to rush to call you a lone wolf before we even get a motive.
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TGLT posted:Oh of course. Like yeah old white dude with guns, but Nevada also broke for Clinton and it's not like you need to be a registered Republican to buy a gun. "Lone Wolf" is just a designation for a single person committing a mass shooting, it doesn't say anything about their motives by itself.
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Chilichimp posted:"Lone Wolf" is just a designation for a single person committing a mass shooting, it doesn't say anything about their motives by itself. You're right, but it does imply no group connections or anything. It probably would have been more correct to say "we don't know anything other than the most basic of details about the guy."
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Chilichimp posted:"Lone Wolf" is just a designation for a single person committing a mass shooting, it doesn't say anything about their motives by itself. I mean yeah, in a textual definition. It's taken on a rather...specific...subtextual meaning in the cases of mass shootings thanks to right wing media bubbles.
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MoaM posted:Seems like it was outside of the actual concert venue? On the strip? At the Mandalay Bay? Well, I know in advance what USPol will be for the next week. So, Seacrest out.
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Chilichimp posted:"Lone Wolf" is just a designation for a single person committing a mass shooting, it doesn't say anything about their motives by itself. "lone wolf" means white.
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botany posted:"lone wolf" means white. More specifically “white and right-wing and we don’t want to talk about what that means so we will insist they were simply deranged.”
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Chilichimp posted:"Lone Wolf" is just a designation for a single person committing a mass shooting, it doesn't say anything about their motives by itself. Every "ISIS" attack inside US territory has been a lone-wolf attack by exactly the sort of toxic masculinity failure as the guy who did this one. Those get labeled as terrorism for some reason, while this one gets his loner status emphasized. For some reason.
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