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Oct 2, 2017 18:51
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Oct 2, 2017 19:18
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Oct 2, 2017 19:27
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Meanwhile, in Italy:Sebastian Vettel posted:"I think we have it under control. Obviously this weekend we did not. It's a shame that both of us compromised our weekend. I don't know if it was the same issue, we need to have look. But for sure it's not ideal if you retire one car [on Saturday] and one [before the race], so it's something we need to obviously understand. And I'm the queen of france! 
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Oct 2, 2017 19:29
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I still believe in Sebastian Vettel and the glorious Scuderia Ferrari to win the WDC
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Oct 2, 2017 19:42
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track day bro! posted:I still believe in Sebastian Vettel and the glorious Scuderia Ferrari to win the WDC
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Oct 2, 2017 19:43
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track day bro! posted:I still believe in Sebastian Vettel and the glorious Scuderia Ferrari to win the WDC
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Oct 2, 2017 19:45
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Funny enough, if Seb wins every remaining race with Lewis taking 2nd, Seb will win by a point.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:45
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Ferrari, against all probability, have the car to win the WDC. What they lack are the strategists, mechanics, drivers, management and fans.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:45
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He needs Lewis to DNF or hit one of his lovely runs of form where he's nowhere for two to three consecutive races.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:47
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track day bro! posted:I still believe in Sebastian Vettel and the glorious Scuderia Ferrari to win the WDC Agreed OP I think Hamilton will DNF in every remaining race because he is such a bad race car driver.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:48
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NtotheTC posted:Ferrari, against all probability, have the car to win the WDC. Pfft, who needs any of that very unimportant poo poo? It's like Enzo always used to say, whack a gently caress off engine in it and it'll win. Job jobbed.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:59
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Theophany posted:Pfft, who needs any of that very unimportant poo poo? It's like Enzo always used to say, whack a gently caress off engine in it and it'll win. Job jobbed. Funny, then, how much they hosed up the most engine-dominant formula in years.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:00
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wicka posted:Funny, then, how much they hosed up the most engine-dominant formula in years. They had the morality to not use a cheating, oil-burning defeat device to circumvent the rules and paid a price for their honesty. It's sad that top tier competition is marred by such unsportsmanlike conduct tbh. http://autosport.us15.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0321b24d9cbbd1e265203b136&id=ff4e02b3a1&e=6566931791 Vote for Vettel.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:03
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I think the 70s was the last time Ferrari had the outright best engine in the field, maybe some of the Schumi years and the early part of '85.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:03
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1500quidporsche posted:I think the 70s was the last time Ferrari had the outright best engine in the field, maybe some of the Schumi years and the early part of '85. Any time they had a V12 in, they had the best engine in a sense. It was just rarely in the sense of performance.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:05
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Theophany posted:They had the morality to not use a cheating, oil-burning defeat device to circumvent the rules and paid a price for their honesty. It's sad that top tier competition is marred by such unsportsmanlike conduct tbh. Ah yes, the Ferrari Way (TM). If your opponent is doing something better than you, whine until the rules change to make them weaker. Never fails.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:05
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iospace posted:Ah yes, the Ferrari Way (TM). If your opponent is doing something better than you, whine until the rules change to make them weaker. Never fails. I get the feeling you've never been exposed to the world of Serie A football. And let's be clear, that religion is definitely above Ferrari and Catholicism in Italy.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:08
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It was completely retarded that under an engine formula designed to be greener and more positive to the environment there existed a loophole where we burned oil like some 1970s Trabant, if F1 was interesting enough for anybody to even care that would've been a really bad headline.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:09
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1500quidporsche posted:It was completely retarded that under an engine formula designed to be greener and more positive to the environment there existed a loophole where we burned oil like some 1970s Trabant, if F1 was interesting enough for anybody to even care that would've been a really bad headline. At least the Trabbie was more characterful and storied.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:13
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I really researched buying a Trabbie as a winter beater for a while and the lovely heater was the main breaking point for me, if those puppies were water cooled I probably would've pulled the trigger on one.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:16
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1500quidporsche posted:It was completely retarded that under an engine formula designed to be greener and more positive to the environment there existed a loophole where we burned oil like some 1970s Trabant, if F1 was interesting enough for anybody to even care that would've been a really bad headline. I honestly think they marketed the hybrids wrong. An advantage of hybrids, especially in racing, is you get insane acceleration out of them. While Joe Schmoe on the street sees them as "They use less fuel, and they're for HIPPIES," we're now, finally, seeing outright lap records on tracks (mind you with DRS help, but that's besides the point). If F1 was smart, they could have marketed it as "These cars accelerate faster than ever!" or some bullshit. It's a similar problem that E85 ran into in the States. Marketed as a way for the average consumer to save money... turns out it really doesn't work that well on the mileage front, but good gods can you get some serious power out of it.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:19
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Theophany posted:http://autosport.us15.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0321b24d9cbbd1e265203b136&id=ff4e02b3a1&e=6566931791 Done OP.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:19
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NtotheTC posted:Done OP. Il leone is still a solid vote
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Oct 2, 2017 20:24
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track day bro! posted:I still believe in Sebastian Vettel and the glorious Scuderia Ferrari to win the WDC NtotheTC posted:Ferrari, against all probability, have the car to win the WDC. They've pretty much thrown it away. They had some great opportunities, and could have taken it for sure, but there's no way Seb will be able to win every remaining race. Basically a classic Ferrari dumpster fire fuckup situation. Way to go, Maranello!
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Oct 2, 2017 20:25
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Theophany posted:They had the morality to not use a cheating, oil-burning defeat device to circumvent the rules and paid a price for their honesty. It's sad that top tier competition is marred by such unsportsmanlike conduct tbh. My response was very important to them so I voted for are Nige 10 times.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:27
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iospace posted:I honestly think they marketed the hybrids wrong. An advantage of hybrids, especially in racing, is you get insane acceleration out of them. While Joe Schmoe on the street sees them as "They use less fuel, and they're for HIPPIES," we're now, finally, seeing outright lap records on tracks (mind you with DRS help, but that's besides the point). If F1 was smart, they could have marketed it as "These cars accelerate faster than ever!" or some bullshit. I think that's more aero than hybrid power. We had a season of KERS and unrestricted DRS use for qualifying laps in the V8 era and they were nowhere near today's lap times. The problem is aero gives us insane one lap pace in a quali session, but it hampers overtaking during a race situation.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:28
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Theophany posted:They had the morality to not use a cheating, oil-burning defeat device to circumvent the rules and paid a price for their honesty. It's sad that top tier competition is marred by such unsportsmanlike conduct tbh. Voted for the only one faster than The Stig
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Oct 2, 2017 20:30
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Theophany posted:I think that's more aero than hybrid power. We had a season of KERS and unrestricted DRS use for qualifying laps in the V8 era and they were nowhere near today's lap times. Fair points. I think what should be done to improve the racing itself is either A. bringing back ground effects to try to clean up the air behind the cars a bit, or B. increasing the differential between the speed going into the braking zone and the actual corner speed. I say part of the problem is right now is F1 has painted itself into a corner regarding faster lap times, because most fans expect faster and faster lap times each formula change. Going slower is bad no matter why it's happening.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:31
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Theophany posted:I think that's more aero than hybrid power. We had a season of KERS and unrestricted DRS use for qualifying laps in the V8 era and they were nowhere near today's lap times. The thing is they've basically hosed over the next rule change by going so much faster. I can virtually guarantee the 2nd and 3rd fastest teams will bitch that the racing has been ruined in 2021 or whenever cause the cars will need to be 4-5 seconds a lap slower.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:32
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Fernando Alonso is on that list so I'm not sure why people are suggesting alternatives
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Oct 2, 2017 20:33
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1500quidporsche posted:The thing is they've basically hosed over the next rule change by going so much faster. I can virtually guarantee the 2nd and 3rd fastest teams will bitch that the racing has been ruined in 2021 or whenever cause the cars will need to be 4-5 seconds a lap slower. just bolt the current electric poo poo to a V12 job done
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Oct 2, 2017 20:47
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iospace posted:I honestly think they marketed the hybrids wrong. An advantage of hybrids, especially in racing, is you get insane acceleration out of them. While Joe Schmoe on the street sees them as "They use less fuel, and they're for HIPPIES," we're now, finally, seeing outright lap records on tracks (mind you with DRS help, but that's besides the point). If F1 was smart, they could have marketed it as "These cars accelerate faster than ever!" or some bullshit. E85 is insane. With my friends Evo 8 he's doing like 500 wheel on 93 octane, but if you fill that thing up with E85, poo poo we're talking 700 wheel. The magic of Corn.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:54
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Thanks Ants posted:Fernando Alonso is on that list so I'm not sure why people are suggesting alternatives If you voted for anyone but Nando, gtfo this thread.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:55
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iospace posted:Fair points. I think what should be done to improve the racing itself is either A. bringing back ground effects to try to clean up the air behind the cars a bit, or B. increasing the differential between the speed going into the braking zone and the actual corner speed. Ground effect is a fascinating concept, but when it goes wrong it does so horrifically so I don't see that coming back. I agree they've put themselves into a corner and I think F1 needs to distance itself and back track from outright lap times and focus on driver skill - for me that's where you have a situation where mechanical grip is king. It'll never happen, but we can dream, I guess!
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Oct 2, 2017 20:59
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Theophany posted:Ground effect is a fascinating concept, but when it goes wrong it does so horrifically so I don't see that coming back. I've long sad that they need to pull back aero even if that means losing as much as 10 seconds a lap. There's no relevance to the complicated aero poo poo we see in F1 anywhere outside of it. I'd rather they spend that cash developing insane suspension systems or weird split turbo poo poo like on the Merc where it has real world application.
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Oct 2, 2017 21:02
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Real world applications are dumb
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Oct 2, 2017 21:04
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As much as it pains me to agree with him, Christian Horner was right when he said F1 has little more than a passing resemblance to road car development these days. It pains me even more to point out Hamilton was absolutely spot on last year when he said that taking F1 in an aero-driven direction was wrong and it should go back to mechanical grip and slippery cars. I know I'm a broken rear end record and should stfu and quit banging this drum, but Jesus Christ it's not that hard to a) cut costs in F1 and b) make the racing more frenetic and - what a surprise - the two things are linked. You want a new front with 80 separate elements at a cost of $300,000? No chance.
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Oct 2, 2017 21:06
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[quote="“1500quidporsche”" post="“476987983”"] I’ve long sad that they need to pull back aero even if that means losing as much as 10 seconds a lap. There’s no relevance to the complicated aero poo poo we see in F1 anywhere outside of it. I’d rather they spend that cash developing insane suspension systems or weird split turbo poo poo like on the Merc where it has real world application. [/quote] This is a GoodPost(R).
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Oct 2, 2017 21:08
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