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Dross posted:So in this thread you've directly stated that a) feminism is good, and b) TERFism is the logical conclusion of feminism, and implied that c) transphobia is bad. Pick just one stupid opinion to have, don't try to have them all or you just end up with dissonance. Are you saying "transphobia is bad" is a stupid opinion? Hmmm. Anyway, those three opinions make perfect sense. Feminism is good, but the sort of lovely lazy dumbass "feminism" you see expressed in most places and by most people (who consider themselves feminist) does indeed lead itself to classism and other poo poo such as transphobia. I honestly dont think most people give a gently caress about human rights and all that, they only care about their "side" and making sure they don't lose. But this is an unpopular opinion thread not a political thread. Another unpopular opinion: McDonalds is pretty good. I like their burgers and their milkshakes. edited to add: Just saw the cosmetic surgery discussion. I am 100% on team Pro-Cosmetic Surgery. God, the world would be so much better if we were all hot and gorgeous. Why shouldn't we be, if we could attain it? Who the gently caress wants to go through life being ugly, unless they HAD to? No one. Beauty and looks matter and its actually kind of lovely to lie to people and say that physical appearance and attractiveness is a non-issue. As a trans person I know this. Blue Star has a new favorite as of 08:12 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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School is cool.Blue Star posted:Are you saying "transphobia is bad" is a stupid opinion? Hmmm. Ignorant mostly normie here. I think this brings up questions as to the ability of cosmetic surgeons to get the desired result and the subjectivity of beauty. Plastic surgery has never looked convincing to me, but maybe I haven't seen the best work. On the other hand, the idea that anyone would try so hard to be beautiful that they'd be willing to mutilate themselves is to me inherently ugly. And also beautiful, but in a tragic way. And all that probably sounds a bit demeaning, but it's kind of just my perspective and I'm sure other people are perfectly justified by any combination of sentimental life circumstances to feel differently.
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Oct 2, 2017 08:47
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If you've seen any Korean movies or K pop videos all the women have plastic surgery
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Oct 2, 2017 08:48
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Mu Zeta posted:If you've seen any Korean movies or K pop videos all the women have plastic surgery Well gently caress me, I love Korean movies.... Is this just an unpopular opinion? The first volume of Don Quijote is mostly just aimless bullshit and Cervantes clearly had no idea what he was doing besides poking fun at chivalric romance and yet it's still a classic because he had the balls to do it.
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Oct 2, 2017 08:53
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Aesop Poprock posted:It wasn't necesarily less dumb in the 1800s when then it was like Presidential election of 1860.
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Oct 2, 2017 08:53
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With the prevalence of plastic surgery in east asia it means that's it's not necessarily racist to think all asians look the same. I'm Asian and when i see those large manufactured girl groups from japan they literally do look exactly the same.
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Oct 2, 2017 08:56
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Packyy posted:Plastic surgery has never looked convincing to me, but maybe I haven't seen the best work.
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Oct 2, 2017 09:03
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Packyy posted:School is cool. privilege.txt
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Oct 2, 2017 09:52
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We are under no obligation to find one another attractive and none of us is entitled to be considered attractive.
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Oct 2, 2017 10:10
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Wheat Loaf posted:We are under no obligation to find one another attractive and none of us is entitled to be considered attractive. Its also not rude to point this out.
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Wheat Loaf posted:We are under no obligation to find one another attractive and none of us is entitled to be considered attractive. Jastiger posted:Its also not rude to point this out. I don't really get either of these statements. Could you give concrete examples of when you feel as if there are expectations towards you finding someone attractive, and why you'd need to point out to someone that you don't find them attractive? It is not that I necessarily disagree, but I'm not really seeing what kind of concrete real-life scenario is the background.
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Oct 2, 2017 14:17
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Grandmother of Five posted:I don't really get either of these statements. Could you give concrete examples of when you feel as if there are expectations towards you finding someone attractive, and why you'd need to point out to someone that you don't find them attractive? "Hey, you look really nice!" Isnt an offensive statement all the time. Many people think it is for some reason.
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Oct 2, 2017 14:26
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Welcome to 2017 where people are personally offended by everything
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Oct 2, 2017 14:28
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Jastiger posted:"Hey, you look really nice!" Isnt an offensive statement all the time. Many people think it is for some reason. I've literally never heard someone be offended by that statement, but also it sounds like the opposite of what you were suggesting before.
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Grandmother of Five posted:I don't really get either of these statements. Could you give concrete examples of when you feel as if there are expectations towards you finding someone attractive, and why you'd need to point out to someone that you don't find them attractive? It's more of a notional thing than any scenario where you'd straight-up tell someone they aren't attractive; I wouldn't do that and I wouldn't want anyone to do it to me. I am mainly thinking of the incel people etc. who'd fall into the "I'm entitled to it" category.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I've literally never heard someone be offended by that statement, but also it sounds like the opposite of what you were suggesting before. Go up to someone and tell them they look very pretty/handsome and you'll find someone who will be offended by it.
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Oct 2, 2017 15:19
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Jastiger posted:Go up to someone and tell them they look very pretty/handsome and you'll find someone who will be offended by it. Maybe the problem is that you do this to random strangers?
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Oct 2, 2017 15:21
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He might be uggo. Non-uggos hate it when uggos approach and complement us.
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Oct 2, 2017 15:30
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Henchman of Santa posted:Maybe the problem is that you do this to random strangers? Nah not at all. Its a culture thing in the US, you just don't comment on appearances, so a lot of people get offended by even mentioning it unless there are certain factors involved. Aramek posted:He might be uggo. Non-uggos hate it when uggos approach and complement us. This is unironically, a huge factor. Which sucks, and is a real thing.
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Oct 2, 2017 15:32
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I think it's because in almost all cases (at least in the case of a man complimenting a woman) it's not just an offhand compliment and most people read it as a veiled lead-in to "please have sex with me".
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Oct 2, 2017 15:37
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Maybe you guys are just creepy.
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Oct 2, 2017 15:42
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That's highly likely. Most people are creepy. They are short, ugly, old, poor, fat, etc.
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doverhog posted:That's highly likely. Most people are creepy. They are short, ugly, old, poor, fat, etc. When I was in retail (and even in my current job) there was a never ending supply of old ugly men who would complain about how pretty young women never have the time for them or respond negatively to them and I always wanted to be like "dude you're a horrid gnome and I bet you'd have reacted the same way to some gross old woman obviously hitting on you when you were younger or hell probably even now." Some people are just totally blind to anything but their desires
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I'm sure physical appearances aren't too off putting if you've got charm, patience, tact and if you are observant.
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this but unironically
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Phrenology bullshit that everyone thinks is profound. Its not. Attractiveness doesnt work that way. Yeah maybe if you're a jerkface it might affect your expressions so you look angry and mean or depressed all the time, but it wont literally alter your facial bone structure or anything. Of course i speak entirely from a trans perspective, as i am sure it is different if you are cis. But i am strictly in the camp of "Looks Matter; despite everything we're told as kids, people DO give a poo poo about physical appearance well beyond the level of basic grooming and 'presentableness' ". But hey, maybe this children's book is actually true for cis dudes, I dunno. If your only problem is that you're kinda short or balding or have big nose or combination of these, maybe you wont have too much issues. 
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Blue Star posted:Phrenology bullshit that everyone thinks is profound. Its not. Attractiveness doesnt work that way. Yeah maybe if you're a jerkface it might affect your expressions so you look angry and mean or depressed all the time, but it wont literally alter your facial bone structure or anything. If Sarah Jessica Parker can make it as an actress then bone structure is no longer an excuse for anything. EDIT: and yes I realize SJP jokes are old hat, I'm not trying to make fun of her. My whole point is that she's objectively a lot worse off than a lot of average schlubs but managed to get to where she is on the force of people skills, self care, and personal styling. And she's an extreme case, but not really an outlier--there are tons of successful celebrities (male and female) that are fundamentally just weird and dumb looking. Appearance is hugely important but it's less about intrinsic physical features and more about how you project yourself. the holy poopacy has a new favorite as of 19:45 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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Straight White Shark posted:If Sarah Jessica Parker can make it as an actress then bone structure is no longer an excuse for anything. Sarah Jessica Parker looks good. 
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Oct 2, 2017 20:59
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That picture is from a children's book.
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Blue Star posted:Sarah Jessica Parker looks good. Neigh.
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There's no such thing as "objectively good-looking". Sarah Jessica Parker is just as much proof of that as Humphrey Bogart.
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Jerry Cotton posted:There's no such thing as "objectively good-looking". Sarah Jessica Parker is just as much proof of that as Humphrey Bogart. Having facial features that are as symmetrical as possible is objectively good looking according to pop science articles that seem to have generally acceptable sources but that's about it as much as I can tell
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Aesop Poprock posted:Having facial features that are as symmetrical as possible is objectively good looking according to pop science articles that seem to have generally acceptable sources but that's about it as much as I can tell SJP has symmetrical features so... checks out I guess?
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Jerry Cotton posted:SJP has symmetrical features so... checks out I guess? I think the effect is somewhat nullified when you look like concept art for a female ringwraith 
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poptart_fairy posted:That picture is from a children's book. It is. I thought it would be funny.
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Aesop Poprock posted:female ringwraith Ah, that'll replace the alt-mermaid in my fantasies.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Having facial features that are as symmetrical as possible is objectively good looking according to pop science articles that seem to have generally acceptable sources but that's about it as much as I can tell studies do show that the kind of symmetrical, unexaggerated features you get from averaging many faces together has the greatest mass appeal and produces faces many other people consistently rate well; individual people can, and usually do, have personal preferences tho and might personally prefer faces with stronger, exaggerated features over the pleasant/attractive but kind of generic-looking averaged faces given a choice between the two imho studies like that are weird because they have to model all the individual preferences that come from all the unique individuals from inside a study group as coming from a single abstract population so you necessarily average out all the weird things individuals are attracted to and so you only discover that populations prefer inoffensive faces and nothing else - that's a strange finding remembering that all the individuals who make up that population still have weird preferences that are an important part of who they actually find attractive; you'd get the impression that a gaunt-looking man with high-cheek bones and a big nose isn't conventionally attractive and so nobody would want that but in reality enough people prefer that specific thing that he might have no issues with his looks, same goes for people like SJP who get too much flak from certain people being rudely vocal about their own tastes imuo
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Blue Star posted:Sarah Jessica Parker looks good. Sure, which is 100% a reflection of her attitude and personality and not her godawful bone structure and generally unfortunate features.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It is. More a response to Stars demented ramblings about it.
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