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out of curiosity, can you just plug two computers together with usb-C and have them share files? like, all my shared folders just pop up on the other person's computer like plugging in a USB drive? cause that would be a genuinely good feature so i can't imagine any company today, including apple and microsoft, ever implementing it
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Boiled Water posted:lo designed by committee , a committee of people who think android is the best thing since sliced bread. God drat those things are terrible. so dipshits don't take a double-ended A cable and plug it in to two host computers shorting out the power busses and breaking hardware
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USB is explicitly designed to only support one host device, cannot do a P2P link like you are describing without a fancy brain in the middle https://www.startech.com/Networking-IO/USB-PS2/usb-file-transfer-cable-windows-mac~USB3LINK firewire, however, was designed for native networking but was too beautiful for this world.
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Sagebrush posted:out of curiosity, can you just plug two computers together with usb-C and have them share files? like, all my shared folders just pop up on the other person's computer like plugging in a USB drive? apple implements target disk mode over usb and thunderbolt. so one of the machines can act as a dumb disk but it has to be in EFI. the problem with "sharing" files is that it basically requires a network file system to maintain coherence. so it's possible in theory if you could route nfs of smb over the link but in reality it takes a lot of driver work to make it happen for literally something you can already do over Ethernet.
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Sagebrush posted:out of curiosity, can you just plug two computers together with usb-C and have them share files? like, all my shared folders just pop up on the other person's computer like plugging in a USB drive? theres a dongle for that
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Oct 2, 2017 21:12
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firewire was too fuckin' weird to live because either end could provide power (except if it was the connector type that couldn't) and it could be anywhere from like 5v to 30v and up to 45 watts ain't nobody dealing with that poo poo
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The Management posted:the problem with "sharing" files is that it basically requires a network file system to maintain coherence. so it's possible in theory if you could route nfs of smb over the link but in reality it takes a lot of driver work to make it happen for literally something you can already do over Ethernet. firewire supported shared disks, but firewire was a point to point link. it was literally a network. it was designed for this kind of weird use case. usb doesn't work that way. usb has hosts and targets, and often uses dma between the host and target. you can't have two usb hosts on the same usb topology, so there's no way to have a disk shared between two hosts.
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Sagebrush posted:firewire was too fuckin' weird to live because either end could provide power (except if it was the connector type that couldn't) and it could be anywhere from like 5v to 30v and up to 45 watts when it first came out the press was like "apple's license fees are hurting adoption" so they dropped the license fees and nobody outside of video people and niche apple-specific accessory companies ever really used it because it's a weird-rear end protocol
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Sagebrush posted:firewire was too fuckin' weird to live because either end could provide power (except if it was the connector type that couldn't) and it could be anywhere from like 5v to 30v and up to 45 watts and yet here we are, with usb-c
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qirex posted:when it first came out the press was like "apple's license fees are hurting adoption" so they dropped the license fees and nobody outside of video people and niche apple-specific accessory companies ever really used it because it's a weird-rear end protocol a lot of audio equipment used it too and there are still a lot of audio people pissed at apple for dropping support for it since the thunderbolt dongles don't do phantom power
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Oct 2, 2017 21:24
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Sagebrush posted:firewire was too fuckin' weird to live because either end could provide power (except if it was the connector type that couldn't) and it could be anywhere from like 5v to 30v and up to 45 watts have you heard of soacewire? yes, it's what it sounds like
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:firewire supported shared disks, but firewire was a point to point link. it was literally a network. it was designed for this kind of weird use case. there are some Playstation 2 games that allow you to connect several consoles via a Firewire hub, for LAN-style multiplayer. it was marketed under sony's "i.LINK" name and had the weird non-power cables
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Sagebrush posted:out of curiosity, can you just plug two computers together with usb-C and have them share files? like, all my shared folders just pop up on the other person's computer like plugging in a USB drive? it works over thunderbolt, which automatically shows up as a 10gb adapter i've never done it but it should even work between a mac a pc with zero config thanks to ipv6
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Oct 2, 2017 21:46
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I mean apple's choices weren't bad and I guess they did the best they could but this dongleverse we're living in kinda loving sucks
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IP over Thunderbolt is an extremely good way to shuffle files from one computer to another, and is somehow faster than target disk mode on the exact same computers.
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target disk chode
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/992512-REG/optical_cables_aoc_mms4cvp010m20_thunderbolt_optical_cable_32.html They sell a 200' version too if you need to bury your LaCie RAID array in the back yard for some reason
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Stymie posted:cool but usb-c and lightning are unrelated aside from each being a type of connector they already had a dedicated accessories segment with the 30-pin connector you dumbfuck
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Oct 2, 2017 23:57
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Apple is selling ads themselves in their news app in dedicated native UI elements which is new. Before it was just placeholder elements that were like 'get the most out of apple news' or something. Glad to see them becoming the new Google.
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Jimmy Carter posted:IP over Thunderbolt is an extremely good way to shuffle files from one computer to another, and is somehow faster than target disk mode on the exact same computers. the target disk mode device is in EFI and serving a block device. it's very dumb. IP over thunderbolt is talking to the kernel with a mounted file system and file caches and multitasking and dma.
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The Management posted:do you think these morons suddenly grew a brain and figured out how to make a connector that doesn't suck? or did someone hand them a spec and wrote the cable firmware for them and told them "here, make this a standard so that everyone adopts it"? well they wrote the spec, when is everyone going to adopt it? Shaggar posted:tim is waiting for dongle saturation before he switches to usb-c tim can never achieve dongle saturation, he is insatiable
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Doc Block posted:they already had a dedicated accessories segment with the 30-pin connector you dumbfuck no, the 30-pin connector was steve's idea tim had to make waves and create an all new accessory to establish himself as the savvy leader he thinks he is and so he could soak third parties who were trying to carve up his sweet, sweet accessory sales tim's ideal company is basically monster cable because they don't have to mess around with any of those pesky "phones" or "computers" that actually require vision or leadership to create
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Oct 3, 2017 07:45
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If the industry would have just adopted lightning we would have never gotten in this mess
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Millstone posted:If the industry would have just adopted lightning we would have never gotten in this mess lightning was never an open standard. the first lightning cables had authentication chips in them before Apple gave up on that.
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emoji posted:Apple is selling ads themselves in their news app in dedicated native UI elements which is new. Before it was just placeholder elements that were like 'get the most out of apple news' or something. Glad to see them becoming the new Google. the solution here is to not use the news app specifically designed to give news companies a way to maintain the advertising revenue stream after everyone got a chance to use adblock in safari
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on one hand, I get that sites are able to keep the "doors open" because of ad revenue but on the other hand 
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i compulsively lol every time i see "weather underground", i find it hilarious that a weather forecast service named themselves after the group who broke timothy leary out of jail and smuggled him to algeria in the early 70s
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Lysidas posted:i compulsively lol every time i see "weather underground", i find it hilarious that a weather forecast service named themselves after the group who broke timothy leary out of jail and smuggled him to algeria in the early 70s weather nerds also managed to steal /r/stormfront from the racists 
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hobbesmaster posted:weather nerds also managed to steal /r/stormfront from the racists this rules
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people stole a few others, my other favorite is "Zionistlobby" is now an Israeli architecture subreddit
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ufarn posted:timb is going to keep the iphone port as long as he can upsell us $30 cables that fray after two months okay, seriously, what the gently caress do people do to their cables the only apple cable i've had fall apart on me is a 30-pin from, like, forever ago that i got with a 2nd or 3rd gen ipad and i'm pretty sure that that was because of the cat
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hobbesmaster posted:people stole a few others, my other favorite is "Zionistlobby" is now an Israeli architecture subreddit
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Oct 3, 2017 17:23
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I've been using the same Lightning cable since 2014. I have six more I've never used.
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hobbesmaster posted:weather nerds also managed to steal /r/stormfront from the racists [quote="“hobbesmaster”" post="“477016061”"] people stole a few others, my other favorite is “Zionistlobby” is now an Israeli architecture subreddit [/quote] these are both extremely lol
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hobbesmaster posted:weather nerds also managed to steal /r/stormfront from the racists that's beautiful
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https://www.stormfront.co.uk
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hobbesmaster posted:people stole a few others, my other favorite is "Zionistlobby" is now an Israeli architecture subreddit that rules
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duTrieux. posted:okay, seriously, what the gently caress do people do to their cables every lightning cable i've ever had frayed within about a year, and both magsafe charge cables. never had anything happen to any other cable, including all manner of USB and power cables for PCs, and micro-USB cables used for charging kindles and an android phone. im pretty sure its damage that gradually builds up bc apple is allergic to cable stress relief. how do you charge your iphone? i charge mine overnight on a horizontal surface with the lightning cable dangling down towards a power outlet (which is a pretty reasonable thing to do, imo). it also subjects the cable to small amounts of shearing stress which apparently makes apple cables gradually disintegrate
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i've has a single anker iphone cable for 1.5 years now it's a shame apple hasn't licensed out the magsafe design
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checking in on my touchbar mac still good
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