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They're livestock guardians; they need something to guard or they go crazy. If they don't, there's a possibility they'll imprint on you, and then guard you against everyone you ever meet, or your children, and guard them from you + everyone else. My neighbour has one for her ducks. This woman being referenced adopted a Maremma but it had nothing to guard, so instead it adopted a tree in her garden.
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Improbable Lobster posted:IIRC they're insanely protective farm dogs that absolutely belong on a farm Right, they're a livestock guardian breed. Their intended purpose is to use their massive size to murder wolves and other threats to whatever herd of sheep or goats they live with 24/7. They're not like hunting dogs or herders that are meant to live with humans when they're done working for the day.
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Oct 1, 2017 04:57
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funmanguy posted:So what's wrong with those big white dogs? They look pretty majestic, so it must be something real bad, like they all always have rabies or something. As the thread tried to impart on the OP, they are not dogs so much as farming machines with fur. They've been bred to work with livestock and are not trainable pets or furry cuddle toys that play and fetch and love you.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Right, they're a livestock guardian breed. Their intended purpose is to use their massive size to murder wolves and other threats to whatever herd of sheep or goats they live with 24/7. They're not like hunting dogs or herders that are meant to live with humans when they're done working for the day. this sounds like you are talking about a great pyrnees, but those guys adapt to being house dogs pretty well. they just sometimes will decide they know better than you when you try to give them commands.
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Oct 1, 2017 05:21
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RFC2324 posted:this sounds like you are talking about a great pyrnees, but those guys adapt to being house dogs pretty well. Great Pyrs are way, way more adaptable to being pets than maremmas. I've only met working maremmas, who slept with the sheep and so on. They were completely uninterested in human contact of any kind.
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Oct 1, 2017 05:48
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WrenP-Complete posted:Great Pyrs are way, way more adaptable to being pets than maremmas. I've only met working maremmas, who slept with the sheep and so on. They were completely uninterested in human contact of any kind. i love pyrs and would have a bunch if i was willing to take care of a dog. I've known quite a few, and even the working ones were good dogs, even if they were more interested in their herds than they were getting attention from the people.
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one of the posters in that thread had a pyr and iirc he chainsawed through a wooden barn wall with his teeth while recovering from major surgery because he wanted to be with his goats. apparently the difference is in temperament, pyrs are hardcore but they're still big dumb doggy dogs that love their owner, while maremmas have no companion instinct, they're not people-oriented at all
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the old ceremony posted:one of the posters in that thread had a pyr and iirc he chainsawed through a wooden barn wall with his teeth while recovering from major surgery because he wanted to be with his goats. apparently the difference is in temperament, pyrs are hardcore but they're still big dumb doggy dogs that love their owner, while maremmas have no companion instinct, they're not people-oriented at all i believe it. when they work they are absolute guardians, even against their master occasionally. if they are not working they are giant lumps of cuddly fur. the perfect dog imo
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Oct 1, 2017 06:01
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RFC2324 posted:i believe it. when they work they are absolute guardians, even against their master occasionally. if they are not working they are giant lumps of cuddly fur. how do you shear/slaughter member of their flock?
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Oct 1, 2017 06:22
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Trauma Dog 3000 posted:how do you shear/slaughter member of their flock? presumably by leading them away. i never asked, but the people i knew who had them had sheds for working on the flock separate from where they kept the flock as a whole. the dogs were suspicious when they led one away but allowed it (i only saw pregnant mommas led away to give birth tho)
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Oct 1, 2017 06:50
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Isn't it Mareemas that they famously used in Australia to protect penguins from foxes? (Before that, they deployed snipers. Really.)
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Oct 1, 2017 08:25
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Inescapable Duck posted:Isn't it Mareemas that they famously used in Australia to protect penguins from foxes? (Before that, they deployed snipers. Really.) It is indeed.
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Oct 1, 2017 08:33
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Apparently it was a repurposing of ones raised to protect chickens.
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Oct 1, 2017 09:06
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Yeah the chicken sniper detail was a tough beat that tended to draw the most sunburned maniacs. Called 'em Red Roosters.
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Oct 1, 2017 09:13
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thatbastardken posted:Yeah the chicken sniper detail was a tough beat that tended to draw the most sunburned maniacs. Called 'em Red Roosters. I hear things went pretty gnarly when they came to snuff those guys
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Oct 1, 2017 09:26
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Antivehicular posted:I hear things went pretty gnarly when they came to snuff those guys as bad as the emu war
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thatbastardken posted:as bad as the emu war *sotto voce*Don't mention the emu war.
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thatbastardken posted:Yeah the chicken sniper detail was a tough beat that tended to draw the most sunburned maniacs. Called 'em Red Roosters. Didn't they crosstrain with the Rapid Tactical Force?
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Oct 1, 2017 18:29
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Inescapable Duck posted:Isn't it Mareemas that they famously used in Australia to protect penguins from foxes? (Before that, they deployed snipers. Really.) The maremmas there accidentally killed a few penguins initially after playing rough with them, too. I found the thread as well (archived): https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3090725 Later on, someone googled her username and saw that she'd posted follow-ups on other pet websites about the dog being tied up outside and imprinting on a tree before giving it away
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Googling photos of maremmas, there's only like 1% of them with the dog even near a human being, and literally zero where the dog is friendly with one.
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Oct 2, 2017 12:25
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Oct 2, 2017 12:52
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thatbastardken posted:as bad as the emu war That was the greatest Wikipedia entry, until the editors came along and ruined everyone's fun.
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Oct 2, 2017 15:08
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googled maremmas and they look like the huggiest most cuddle-able dogs and this is a perfect encapsulation of the intrinsic injustice of this world
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Oct 2, 2017 15:37
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Apparently they're one of the oldest known consistent dog breeds, at least in that 'sheepdog bred to fight wolves and rustlers and win' is probably one of the oldest uses for dogs. So of course they're a magnet for complete idiots who think 'Cute = perfect pet for me and my children and cats!!' and refuse to listen to literally anything else even when their children get mauled.
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Oct 2, 2017 16:16
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Oxxidation posted:googled maremmas and they look like the huggiest most cuddle-able dogs and this is a perfect encapsulation of the intrinsic injustice of this world Luckily the Great Pyrenees looks almost identical and is friendly!
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Oct 2, 2017 16:37
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Proteus Jones posted:That was the greatest Wikipedia entry, until the editors came along and ruined everyone's fun.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Apparently they're one of the oldest known consistent dog breeds Is there any breed that isn't claimed to be one of the oldest known breeds?
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Jerry Cotton posted:Is there any breed that isn't claimed to be one of the oldest known breeds? Golden Retrievers were only recognized as their own breed in the 1900s.
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Oct 2, 2017 16:44
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Donkeys are way better than dogs at protecting livestock.
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They're real asses though.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Is there any breed that isn't claimed to be one of the oldest known breeds?
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Ghostlight posted:The German Shepherd was only created just before 1900, and in the last couple of decades breeders have intentionally hosed up its back so it even fails the "consistent" part of that statement. Yeah I heard a dog guy talk about how functional working poor-biting Schaefers could never win any prizes because they have to be able to walk and run and stupid poo poo like that. So now there's breeders who breed only for shows and breeders who breed only for fascists. e: And sheep-farmers I guess but everybody I've ever known who lives in the country has also been a fascist so 
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EmmyOk posted:It's perfectly acceptable to discuss other subforums and their threads even if you don't post in them generally, the majority of this thread is predicated on that. I assume DOWN JACKET FETISH made an absurdly exaggerated comparison as part of what I believe might be called a "joke". Honestly I don't know but the eggheads in the lab are very excited that we may have finally discovered trace elements of humour in PYF. Was there even a second thread? This is the funniest poo poo ever and I want to read the conclusion. If there was one.
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bradzilla posted:Was there even a second thread? This is the funniest poo poo ever and I want to read the conclusion. If there was one. The conclusion was in the thread via his FB, he gave up and drove.
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Scudworth posted:The conclusion was in the thread via his FB, he gave up and drove. And then his car broke down in the desert
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Ghostlight posted:The German Shepherd was only created just before 1900, and in the last couple of decades breeders have intentionally hosed up its back so it even fails the "consistent" part of that statement. The same thing is happening to the Basset Hound. The legs keep getting shorter and shorter while the loose skins keeps getting bigger. I don't mind the droopy look but its getting taken too far. 
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Untrustable posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3194464&pagenumber=1 The weirdest things about this thread is a 17 year old posting on something awful, since we're all around 60 now
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BexGu posted:The same thing is happening to the Basset Hound. The legs keep getting shorter and shorter while the loose skins keeps getting bigger. I don't mind the droopy look but its getting taken too far. As part of breeding to "the standard" english bulldogs can no longer reproduce naturally and have to reproduce via artificial insemination and cesareans
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BexGu posted:The same thing is happening to the Basset Hound. The legs keep getting shorter and shorter while the loose skins keeps getting bigger. I don't mind the droopy look but its getting taken too far. Wtf dogs should not have car skirts
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Aesop Poprock posted:Wtf dogs should not have car skirts Yeah, show breeds, and to a lesser extent pure breeds, are a cauldron of genetic disorders and misery. That's why I tend to adopt mutts like my latest Big Stupid Dog (Lab/Mastiff/???). I did in inherit my Small Yappy Dog (mini pincher pure bred) from the previous owner passing, but so far she's about 8 years old and seems to be going fine.
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