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Dead Reckoning posted:Do you spend a moment in silent reflection on all the lives lost to DUIs every time you open a beer? I don't drink 
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Dead Reckoning posted:Do you spend a moment in silent reflection on all the lives lost to DUIs every time you open a beer? Regulating the right to own a gun the way we regulate the right to drive would be a great start!
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Don't I need to wait until glorious Communism destroys the wretched and corrupt Capitalist system before I can give up my guns? I mean how else is this revolution supposed to go down? In seriousness, gun-owner, totally cool with registering my weapons into a Federal database, or whatever people want. Also, pretty cool with banning assault rifles and other automatic weapons, or instituting a buy-back program for them. Beyond that I'd still like to have the right to own a handgun or shotgun to satisfy my home defense paranoia. From now on all automatic weapons are stored in a community militia range where owners can go to safely fire their weapons away from the public. The people with access or in charge of acting as custodians for these weapons would individuals of trust and confidence within the community, weapons would not be allowed off the range for anything other than the most dire of circumstances. TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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Oct 2, 2017 22:00
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Dead Reckoning posted:Do you spend a moment in silent reflection on all the lives lost to DUIs every time you open a beer? You do know that stuff like this is self-evidently stupid, right? Alcoholic drinks can lead to DUIs, but that isn't their purpose. Their purpose is to cause a specific set of feelings/state of mind. The object of drinking is not to actively harm anyone (except yourself since it causes health problems but that's neither here nor there). You can also cook with beer or wine or whatever. A car can be used as a weapon, but it isn't built for that. Its general intended use is to not hit things but instead just to get you from point A to point B and to maybe help you carry some stuff. Even a knife has plenty of uses that aren't related to causing violence - opening poo poo, chopping vegetables, whatever. Guns are categorically different than almost anything else in that their intended purpose is exclusively to either cause harm to a living being or to be used in simulating the harm of a living being via target shooting. A gun is owned with the knowledge and expectation that it can and is designed to hurt someone. No one owns a gun to help them make dinner or fix the deck. There are arguments against gun control, but "other things can kill people too" is not one of them.
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Does anyone else think that the real killer might not be the guy found dead in the hotel room? I can't begin to think of a motive for this guy.
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Oct 2, 2017 22:04
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Read Mark Ames' book Going Postal. Mark Ames is a bit of a poo poo. I'm not going to recommend pirating the book because it's frowned upon in these parts.
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Oct 2, 2017 22:04
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Flayer posted:Does anyone else think that the real killer might not be the guy found dead in the hotel room? I can't begin to think of a motive for this guy. lol ok alex jones
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Oct 2, 2017 22:05
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Fraction Jackson posted:You do know that stuff like this is self-evidently stupid, right? if you banned guns this guy would've just got everyone at the concert drunk and then the ensuing dui-pocalypse would have you howling for a new age of prohibition
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Flayer posted:Does anyone else think that the real killer might not be the guy found dead in the hotel room? I can't begin to think of a motive for this guy. He was a real estate millionaire so I can think of one motive. (what happen when you take money away from the rich?)
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Oct 2, 2017 22:06
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Flayer posted:Does anyone else think that the real killer might not be the guy found dead in the hotel room? I can't begin to think of a motive for this guy. poo poo like this doesn't have a rational motive.
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Oct 2, 2017 22:06
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Mark Ames is a bit of a poo poo. Oh yeah he's a horrible person but a good analyst, especially of how spite drives Americans Also libraries exist
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Oct 2, 2017 22:07
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Enigma89 posted:In my ideal world the 2nd amendment gets changed to allow for some restrictions so the people who want things to be literally interpreted can't whine. don't believe they've released specifics but i do believe they've specifically said some of the 10-20 guns were full automatic
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Oct 2, 2017 22:12
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Enigma89 posted:In my ideal world the 2nd amendment gets changed to allow for some restrictions so the people who want things to be literally interpreted can't whine. In my ideal world the 2nd amendment is completely repealed and we just take everyone's guns without buyback because this situation has gotten loving ridiculous. I am willing to compromise down to buyback + only hunting rifles however I will not be happy about it.
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Oct 2, 2017 22:18
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Dead Reckoning posted:Do you spend a moment in silent reflection on all the lives lost to DUIs every time you open a beer? that you view mass murders as the equivalent of crackin' open a cold one with the boys is shockingly explanatory
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https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/914953579257090048
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Oct 2, 2017 22:28
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evilweasel posted:don't believe they've released specifics but i do believe they've specifically said some of the 10-20 guns were full automatic That would be pretty amazing if true. Historically speaking it's very very rare for fully automatic weapons to be used in incidents like this, or at least rare for legally purchased ones to be. That would really sink my financial crisis / gambling losses theory. If he had 20 legally purchased full auto weapons he had plenty of money by almost anyone's standard. Bizarre. I guess that still leaves "mail order bride left him."
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Oct 2, 2017 22:34
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That would be pretty amazing if true. Historically speaking it's very very rare for fully automatic weapons to be used in incidents like this, or at least rare for legally purchased ones to be. If you're wealthy you can easily be underwater with no hope of financial escape with your lifestyle intact and also still able to play with your expensive toys and charge a vacation or two.
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Oct 2, 2017 22:40
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Trabisnikof posted:If you're wealthy you can easily be underwater with no hope of financial escape with your lifestyle intact and also still able to play with your expensive toys and charge a vacation or two. Yeah that could be it.
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Oct 2, 2017 22:42
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That would really sink my financial crisis / gambling losses theory. If he had 20 legally purchased full auto weapons he had plenty of money by almost anyone's standard. Bizarre. I guess that still leaves "mail order bride left him." Just because you have a lot of assets doesn't mean you can't also be in absolutely staggering amounts of debt and facing bankruptcy or loss of your lifestyle/status. Hell, he might have even paid for those guns with more debt. Obviously we're all reading the tea leaves here until some substantial info is released but "had an expensive gun collection" and "facing financial ruin" (by his standards) aren't mutually exclusive e: fb
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Oct 2, 2017 22:44
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lol i mean yall gun nuts can still have crossbows so who cares. relax and just give em up
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That would be pretty amazing if true. Historically speaking it's very very rare for fully automatic weapons to be used in incidents like this, or at least rare for legally purchased ones to be. no, he had 10-20 (now confirmed to be 17+) and of those, "some" were fully automatic. maybe one, maybe 3, but not all of them, and it also may not be legally purchased as opposed to all of the wink wink nod nod ways that gun nuts have been making it easy to modify a gun to be fully automatic people have also said that based on the audio it appears pretty certain the gun used was fully automatic
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Oct 2, 2017 22:51
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God drat you morons for "debating" LeJackel and Dead Reckoning. They are both noted mentally ill gun nuts who will one day mysteriously not show up to defend a mass shooter because they were the shooter. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 2, 2017 23:05
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On another note, RIP worker's rights and class actions. Kennedy says everyone can all just hire the same lawyer separately and it's basically as good as class actions, right?quote:Justice Anthony Kennedy, often the swing vote in major cases, asked questions that signaled sympathy to employers, as did two fellow conservatives, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito.
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Oct 2, 2017 23:15
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Condiv posted:as for the shooter, apparently he was wealthy as gently caress, happy, retired, had a girlfriend, etc He was in Vegas. Why do people go to Vegas? To get their kicks engaging in a little decadence. The rich don't view the rest of us as anything more than livestock. He was hunting for pleasure.
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Oct 2, 2017 23:17
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Main Paineframe posted:On another note, RIP worker's rights and class actions Turns out I'll have one reason to celebrate when Kennedy dies. Now I hope it hurts and that he's afraid.
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Oct 2, 2017 23:17
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business hammocks posted:Turns out I'll have one reason to celebrate when Kennedy dies. Now I hope it hurts and that he's afraid. not if he dies in the next three years you won't
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also even if kennedy's idiot solution worked they'd just ban that in the agreements, obviously
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Oct 2, 2017 23:21
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evilweasel posted:not if he dies in the next three years you won't I have many reasons to fear his death. This is just one line satisfaction that will drift through the panic, as he didn't do any good when it mattered.
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Oct 2, 2017 23:21
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Main Paineframe posted:On another note, RIP worker's rights and class actions. Kennedy says everyone can all just hire the same lawyer separately and it's basically as good as class actions, right? Junking arbitration is good, though.
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Oct 2, 2017 23:21
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Junking arbitration is good, though. yes, but kennedy is arguing against that
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Main Paineframe posted:On another note, RIP worker's rights and class actions. Kennedy says everyone can all just hire the same lawyer separately and it's basically as good as class actions, right? everyone's cool with conflict waivers right
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Main Paineframe posted:On another note, RIP worker's rights and class actions. Kennedy says everyone can all just hire the same lawyer separately and it's basically as good as class actions, right? A few more forlorn bubbles sadly floating to the surface of the scummy water in which Capital has been drowning Labor.
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Main Paineframe posted:On another note, RIP worker's rights and class actions. Kennedy says everyone can all just hire the same lawyer separately and it's basically as good as class actions, right? Oh no! No arbitration exploits! Good on you for catching that one mr. Kennedy!
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Oct 2, 2017 23:39
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LeJackal posted:A few more forlorn bubbles sadly floating to the surface of the scummy water in which Capital has been drowning Labor. It seems like it would be hard to simultaneously believe the government should nationalize the means of production and the government is too incompetent to regulate firearms or the threat of government tyranny is too dire to disarm the population.
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JeffersonClay posted:It seems like it would be hard to simultaneously believe the government should nationalize the means of production and the government is too incompetent to regulate firearms or the threat of government tyranny is too dire to disarm the population. Its almost as if he is a disingenuous piece of poo poo 
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Oct 2, 2017 23:49
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SKULL.GIF posted:He was in Vegas. Why do people go to Vegas? To get their kicks engaging in a little decadence. Most rich people don't want to die because, well they are rich and can afford to do cool, fun stuff with their money. Its why we are speculating that maybe he was facing financial ruin and decided to take a lot of people out before shooting himself. Lots of formerly-rich people have killed themselves rather than become one of the poors.
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*rushes to the scene of the bloodiest mass shooting in history* "Oh God so much pain and hurt, I must comfort the victims" *cradles the arsenal that did this* "Shhhh shhhh, don't cry don't cry. Did the liberals' mean words hurt you, shhhh, I'll never let anything hurt you again, that's right my sweet precious guns. Everything will be okay. "The most important thing now is to find these orphaned automatic weapons a good home!" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Oct 2, 2017 23:56
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Discussion Quorum posted:Hell, he might have even paid for those guns with more debt. An angry white man indiscriminately killing with a stockpile of guns purchased on credit. It's the most American thing I can think of 
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evilweasel posted:no, he had 10-20 (now confirmed to be 17+) and of those, "some" were fully automatic. maybe one, maybe 3, but not all of them, and it also may not be legally purchased as opposed to all of the wink wink nod nod ways that gun nuts have been making it easy to modify a gun to be fully automatic A bit old but footage of the shooting from the crowd's perspective was on Fox and Friends and yeah, it's definitely either an automatic or was modified to effectively be so. You could literally hear the guy firing rapidly in the distance as the crowd panicked (and one dude holding a plastic cup of beer just kind of sedately meandered away from the mass murder). It's pathetically easy to get around the restrictions to have automatic weapons in the US too. Especially in some states, and doubly so if you're willing to buy the parts to do it yourself. So having 20 automatic weapons or whatever isn't really a status symbol as much as it is a "this guy is a gun nut" symbol. Edit: For those that aren't educated on the issue, if you want to see what I mean about how easy it is to mod out a single shot rifle to effectively have the fire rate of an automatic weapon then youtube bump stock rifles being shown off. Fun fact about that particular mod too. The ATF considers them to be legal. The only reason one model of bump stock was banned was because they submitted false specs to the ATF for appraisal and then tried to fake them out by selling an entirely different model under the fake model that was approved by the ATF. Archonex fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Condiv posted:jesus christ lejackal I can think of one. 
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