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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:interesting that the influx of calls for secession are happening now despite this being the unofficial playbook for the US since its inception 🤔 20 miles out of Seattle gets you to Federal Way so I understand your hesitation. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Jack2142 posted:20 miles out of Seattle gets you to Federal Way so I understand your hesitation. Oh noes, Everett lies in just the other direction!
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Sep 29, 2017 12:05
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therobit posted:So some Portland sewer workers have turned to the Freedom Foundation in a dispute with their union because apparently their local isn't representing them well enough. The guy behind it speaks up in the comments. Local 483 is actually my union. Those Freedom Foundation fucks had the audacity to come down to the treatment plant to push their agenda. Duffey is a good guy with decades of laudable service unionizing shops and negotiating for his co workers, putting in the hours that most are too lazy or entitled for to help build a better union. Also, he's right about the 483 failing to support the membership. They simply wanted the deal done because parks and PBoT were already making well above the average of their professions and they had other business with the city so a brief negotiation was to leadership's benefit. None of that changes the fact Duffey was wrong to bring those poisonous fuckers into the equation. I'm sure it will surprise no one that most of his actions were motivated by petty bullshit between him and the business manager. who is admittedly a useless child. Also a note for clarity. The wastewater group got 5%, not 9%. It's only 9% when you count the 2% COLA, which you shouldn't, and the 2% longevity pay available only to employees with 10 years service, less than 30% of our work force. That 5% was the city's original offer before negotiations and we're 19.2% behind in the region for our profession.
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Sep 29, 2017 12:37
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Gonna be a lot further behind once this lovely tactic plays out.
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Sep 29, 2017 14:49
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lol @ settlers slapfighting over who is the PNW OG
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Sep 29, 2017 15:39
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I'm sure the (insanely white) country of Cascadia will be able to meet all requirements of the current agreements with the many sovereign nations that will be within it's borders.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:19
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George posted:Gonna be a lot further behind once this lovely tactic plays out. Hopefully not. FF has about 40 days left to collect the signatures they need for a deauthorization vote and they're way behind schedule. Frankly I've been impressed by how many politically conservative coworkers, who are furious with our union, totally reject the idea of working with the Freedom Foundation.
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Sep 29, 2017 23:00
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Solkanar512 posted:Oh noes, Everett lies in just the other direction! Thats where the Bus factory is right?
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Sep 30, 2017 06:38
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Jack2142 posted:Thats where the Bus factory is right? There's actually a transit center being built right across the street. It serves as the northern end of the Swift Green line and links Everett Transit, Community Transit, King County Metro and private shuttle bus systems. Two Swift terminals and five regular bus terminals will be ready in a year or so with room for 13 terminals overall. I can only presume this will be integrated with ST3 when it finds its way this far north.
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Sep 30, 2017 10:39
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Is anyone seriously debating the idea of an independent Pacific Northwest as something that will happen through some kind of vote in our lifetimes? As long as the Bangor arsenal is around, to say nothing of all the other major military bases, Washington is gonna be a part of the USA. Starting up a fully independent Cascadia or Ecotopia or whatever is as realistic as the Salish Shidhe council running the PacNW.
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Oct 1, 2017 18:53
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It's pretty much just a fantasy for white liberals who think they can look down on the rest of the country, even though our sacred blue islands are some rotten bullshit. Seattle is segregated as gently caress and Portland is the whitest major city in America, so when those are your high points it makes Cascadia white supremacist by default.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:11
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It's not gonna HAPPEN but if it ever hit the ballot and succeeded the resulting events would be, at best, a shitshow.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:20
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I'm all for building a more connected and bottom-up political structure in the PacNW, but the notion of true political independence is something that would require a collapse of the current order so catastrophic that I'd rather find a different way to build a better future. I'm not a fan of trying to build a local/regional political movement on what is functionally a nationalistic platform. Replacing one brand of flag-loving with another isn't what I want.
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Oct 1, 2017 22:10
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ATP_Power posted:Is anyone seriously debating the idea of an independent Pacific Northwest as something that will happen through some kind of vote in our lifetimes? I thought it was a joke, but the dude tripled down pretty hard on using the threat of secession as a bargaining chip. Either way, making GBS threads on the idea that dissolution of common bonds is progressive seemed like a good use of time.
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Oct 2, 2017 04:59
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Look guys, the cascadia thing is just about getting together and circle jerking about how much better we are here in the PNW than everywhere else. It is a moral failing to live somewhere else, but don't come and try to join us you assshole transplants.
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Oct 2, 2017 16:08
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George posted:It's pretty much just a fantasy for white liberals who think they can look down on the rest of the country, even though our sacred blue islands are some rotten bullshit. Seattle is segregated as gently caress and Portland is the whitest major city in America, so when those are your high points it makes Cascadia white supremacist by default. loving Ohio and Pennsylvania went for Trump. EDIT: that said Cascadian secession really isn't an option.
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Oct 2, 2017 17:00
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therobit posted:Look guys, the cascadia thing is just about getting together and circle jerking about how much better we are here in the PNW than everywhere else. It is a moral failing to live somewhere else, but don't come and try to join us you assshole transplants.
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Oct 2, 2017 20:28
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If Portland's already the whitest city in the country, shouldn't it be a good thing to discourage white people from moving here?
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Oct 2, 2017 22:27
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How would Cascadia do that?
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Oct 3, 2017 01:25
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Cascadia is a stupid idea that comes from the same place as any other succession movement: We are better and different. It is a weird and mastabatory idea that has no place in any serious discussion.
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Oct 3, 2017 02:18
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Peachfart posted:Cascadia is a stupid idea that comes from the same place as any other succession movement: We are better and different. It is a weird and mastabatory idea that has no place in any serious discussion. Also, the topic of whether or not states could secede was settled in 1865.
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Oct 3, 2017 02:24
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Peachfart posted:Cascadia is a stupid idea that comes from the same place as any other succession movement: We are better and different. It is a weird and mastabatory idea that has no place in any serious discussion. Please do not denigrate masturbation. It is offensive to my goon culture.
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Oct 3, 2017 02:46
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We can secede when the US splits apart into 20 different countries
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Oct 3, 2017 05:30
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GodFish posted:We can secede when the US splits apart into 20 different There is a decent chance Nikeland and Amazonia can secede, but only if the Oligarchy begins to fail.
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Oct 3, 2017 06:57
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Relevant Tangent posted:I didn't know he was a transplant. That explains a lot of the ignorance. So what I was thinking was, you could Get Out. (and maybe move to the middle east, where you'll fit right in) You are not special because you were born in the right state. Believe it or not all those other states are full of Non-Retards just like you who just like you have been gerrymandered to hell and aren't being fairly represented. But no gently caress every kid born in evangeli-zone, they must all be fervent Christian anti-minority white-supremacist psychopaths. Muse me how all refugees/immigrants are welcome but not American "transplants" who loving PAID their way here by working to earn it? Now make a bunch of assumptions about my opinions on hot-button issues (and the priveledges I didn't have) based on where I'm from. Make sure to follow up with something passive aggressive that Totally Isn't a personal attack since you didn't use any Naughty Words. Do you have any loving idea how hard it was to go from $0 in Alabama (where all the back room staff is white "because *jovial laughter* 'black people don't want to buy a tv from you'") with debt to saving and spending everything I had to put together a move? Edit: I realize you may or may not have been %100 serious, but this is a real sentiment I have literally had directed at me unsolicited in public while like, buying cheeseburgers with the wrong license plate. Great KKK recruiting material, if that's what we're going for though. FantasticExtrusion fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Oct 3, 2017 15:41
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I doubt that if I moved to Alabama and started talking about how special the culture was, how it wasn't like the rest of America, and really needed to be it's own state you'd meet that will anything but (wholly justified) derision. As a response to your edit, the attitude people in the PNW have towards some outsiders is explicitly one of the reasons that they shouldn't be able to set immigration policies. Also, you seem really angry about the welcome you got vs the welcome you perceive refugees/immigrants to have gotten? Also also, passive-agressiveness is an artform in the PNW. Relevant Tangent fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Oct 3, 2017 15:47
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Relevant Tangent posted:I doubt that if I moved to Alabama and started talking about how special the culture was, how it wasn't like the rest of America, and really needed to be it's own state you'd meet that will anything but (wholly justified) derision. What? Who did this?
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Oct 3, 2017 16:11
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One of the dudes talking about secession. My point with the transplant comment is there are any number of not-immediately-obvious issues that people who aren't from the area don't know about. Largely though, it was a joke. I'm sorry you felt put down by it.
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Oct 3, 2017 16:16
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GodFish posted:We can secede when the US splits apart into 20 different countries I want to be part of Jesusland.
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Oct 3, 2017 16:23
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... In regards to cascadia, which triggered me like a tumblrite because it's really offensive. Like woo you're (we now, lol, since if I lied you'd never know I wasn't born here haha) so much better. As for the immigrants/refugees thing, it's not that they're welcome that angers me, obviously we need reform of some kind; it's the hypocrisy of picking on people who carried themselves here I wanted to highlight.
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Oct 3, 2017 16:26
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FantasticExtrusion posted:... In regards to cascadia, which triggered me like a tumblrite because it's really offensive. Like woo you're (we now, lol, since if I lied you'd never know I wasn't born here haha) so much better. The point was the irony of somebody who wasn't from here wanting to create a new country. And can you really say 'picking on him' if he was the one who brought his dumb exclusionary idea up?
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Oct 3, 2017 16:36
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I thought the transplant hate was traditionally directed at Californians who were loving up our state en mass. I didn't realize there was any antipathy toward transplants in general.
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Oct 3, 2017 16:44
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DrNutt posted:I thought the transplant hate was traditionally directed at Californians who were loving up our state en mass. I didn't realize there was any antipathy toward transplants in general. I don't see how you could miss it if you're in Seattle. People born in Washington are worse than vegan Crossfitters.
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Oct 3, 2017 17:14
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Thanatosian posted:I don't see how you could miss it if you're in Seattle. People born in Washington are worse than vegan Crossfitters. It's certainly not all of them, but I've been quite surprised by how provincial some people are up here.
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Oct 3, 2017 17:18
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I've tried to be more specific lately about resenting white California transplants; I think some use it as code for Mexicans.
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Oct 3, 2017 17:20
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DrNutt posted:I thought the transplant hate was traditionally directed at Californians who were loving up our state en mass. I didn't realize there was any antipathy toward transplants in general. I've seen a transition from "gently caress California" to "gently caress all transplants" over the past 20 years or so because apparently everyone who works for Amazon is from out of town (unless you're NA, everyone is), makes too much money (just fought for $15/hour, do you want that money going back to shareholders?), isn't a serious artist (didn't know everyone was here for your entertainment) and doesn't participate civically (not even sure what this means). And to head off the inevitable "source your quotes", most of these is endlessly repeated on the comment sections on KUOW's Facebook page. As a classically trained musician who was born in Edmonds, the folks who are whining need to start looking at the systemic issues rather than dividing themselves from those who make slightly more than they do.
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George posted:I've tried to be more specific lately about resenting white California transplants; I think some use it as code for Mexicans. When it first came into use it was directed at the Californian police retirees who left California because it was too "multicultural". Overt racists as opposed to people who'd never had to decide whether they were racist or not because they only saw minorities on TV. Relevant Tangent fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Oct 3, 2017 17:47
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https://youtu.be/RjSOcoDJYQg
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Oct 3, 2017 18:01
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That was a cool video.
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FantasticExtrusion posted:Muse me how all refugees/immigrants are welcome but not American "transplants" who loving PAID their way here by working to earn it? Refugees and immigrants are way cooler than people who think like this.
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