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And again many states give the poor extra tags for exactly the above. It's a cheap effective subsidy
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https://twitter.com/Independent/status/915245545572233224
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 17:28 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A deer might have three hundred or so dollars' worth of meat on it, all told. Kill three or four deer you might have a year's supply of organic, grass-fed, etc. meat.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 17:29 |
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captainblastum posted:Maybe I phrased it poorly, but those don't really seem to address the point that I was trying to make: that I don't believe the claims that people must hunt to survive anywhere in America. There are other, more cost effective choices for getting food. There's an entire program within the Dept of Interior for managing subsistence hunting among native Alaskans.
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BrandorKP posted:And again many states give the poor extra tags for exactly the above. It's a cheap effective subsidy Here they have a program where they give out unsold tags towards the end of the season provided you're willing to donate the meat to the food bank.
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The conundrum: Donald Trump deserves to die immediately, but also to suffer as much as possible. I don't know what kind of disease to wish for.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 17:40 |
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Rent-A-Cop posted:No I don't think you understand. Poor people need to move to where I live and only eat rice because ~*fartz*~ Yes, this is precisely my argument and not an idiotic strawman.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 17:41 |
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The headline of that article is insanely bad in the sense that it already makes immediately obvious the knavery of this vote, but leaves it somewhat unfulfilled. Here, let me flesh it out:quote:The US is one of just 13 countries to have voted against a United Nations resolution condemning the death penalty for having gay sex.
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Voyager I posted:The conundrum: Donald Trump deserves to die immediately, but also to suffer as much as possible. I don't know what kind of disease to wish for. Something he already likely has.
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captainblastum posted:Maybe I phrased it poorly, but those don't really seem to address the point that I was trying to make: that I don't believe the claims that people must hunt to survive anywhere in America. There are other, more cost effective choices for getting food.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 17:49 |
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captainblastum posted:Yes, this is precisely my argument and not an idiotic strawman. No your argument, if you can call simply vomiting bourgeois ignorance into the internet an argument, was "I know absolutely nothing about hunting but let me tell you about hunting. "
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captainblastum posted:Maybe I phrased it poorly, but those don't really seem to address the point that I was trying to make: that I don't believe the claims that people must hunt to survive anywhere in America. There are other, more cost effective choices for getting food. the states where someone might hunt for food are also the states that laugh at the idea of providing food for the poor
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 17:50 |
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evilweasel posted:Suicide is, generally speaking, not a reasoned decision but an impulse. There are certainly people who have made a conscious, reasoned decision to end their life, and you're probably not going to stop those people. But that's not most suicides. Most suicides are, basically, a desperate response to terrible pain (emotional, mostly). Those people don't really want to die, they want the pain to go away. They have to work themselves up to it. If they use a reversible method, or one that doesn't kill right away, frequently they change their mind. So that's basically the key: with guns, once you pull the trigger it's all over (unless you somehow miss anything vital, which does happen). No chance to reconsider, and one second of impulse is all it takes to complete the act. Some percentage, if all they had was a knife or pills, would reconsider halfway through and bind their wounds/vomit/call 911, and so you'd have a lower rate of completed suicides. Anecdotal, but everyone I know that has tried to kill themselves and has a had a handgun has done it. Two in the last year. I was suicidal when younger, and the impulse still exists every blue moon, and I have a no handgun in the house rule for that reason. A lot of time, it's a sudden wave of depression impulse that you try to make due with whatever is around at the time, but you still have a natural aversion to pain so you go for something easy and relatively painless. Pills failed with me, as they have with other friends, I didn't do the wrist right because I was too young, and I have friends where hanging failed as well, among other things. Guns are the easiest way to kill oneself, while other ways are a lot harder an have more of a likelihood of just extremely screwing up your body, making things worse, and are extremely painful. Of these, hanguns and shotguns are the easiest, while rifles are kind of hard with a higher rate of failure which is why I don't mind owning one at this point (and I keep the magazine in a much different place than my gun). The amount of finality and ease that handguns give suicide is ridiculous. It's definitely a factor in any gun control debate.
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Darko posted:The amount of finality and ease that handguns give suicide is ridiculous. It's definitely a factor in any gun control debate. The US' suicide rate is on par with the rest of the English speaking first world, most of which has much tighter gun controls. US: 13.2 / 100k in 2015 UK: 10.9 /100k in 2015 Aus: 12.6 / 100k in 2015 CAN: 11.5 / 100k in 2015 There's no American exceptionalism at work here. The better predictor is economic uncertainty and austerity.
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Liquid Communism posted:The US' suicide rate is on par with the rest of the English speaking first world, most of which has much tighter gun controls. America is the highest there though. There could be a lot of other factors accounting for this discrepency, where the chart of successfullness of suicide methods is pretty simple to understand. And this is only one of many good reasons to get rid of guns.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 18:13 |
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twodot posted:Why would you think maintaining a piece of land, raising/feeding/whatevering cows would be cheaper than going outside finding a deer that literally no human has put any effort into and shooting it? At the very least you need to account for the profit motive of the rancher. The rancher is going to benefit from economies of scale, but the hunter is going to benefit from requiring literally zero infrastructure and having marginal costs of a couple bullets. Hunting isn't free. You're just ignoring all of the costs. evilweasel posted:the states where someone might hunt for food are also the states that laugh at the idea of providing food for the poor I don't disagree but that doesn't make hunting cheaper than buying food. To be clear, I'm not in any way saying that people shouldn't be able to hunt, but "I want to do this" and "I must do this or I will starve to death" are very different things. "People need to hunt to live" is not a truthful reason to oppose gun control.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 18:27 |
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Hunting on public land is a subsidiary I'm ok with if it actually is used for food.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 18:30 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:Heaven help people live in places other than those you approve them living in.
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Nevvy Z posted:America is the highest there though. Reducing easy access to a popular, easy suicide method in South Korea significantly reduced overall suicides almost immediately, as an example of how effective it can be https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-suicide-idUSBRE98T05R20130930
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VitalSigns posted:I used to think this. I grew up in a Republican family and even after I realized conservatism is a bullshit intellectually bankrupt ideology that doesn't work, but for complex and difficult reasons that are easily papered over by simplistic common-sense-sounding salesmanship and folksy aw shucks "people like us" propaganda, I still thought Republican voters were basically good and decent people who just had some different opinions and some mistaken ideas and on many subjects were just confused by relentless corporate propaganda. I could have written this and it would still be 100% true. gently caress, man.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 18:43 |
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Have you heard about sensory deprivation?
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captainblastum posted:Hunting isn't free. You're just ignoring all of the costs. Dude. Most state residential hunting/fishing licenses are rather cheap, especially weighted against the amount of food you can harvest. Taking guns out of the equation, fishing is another avenue. The cost of entry is low. Plenty of people have hand-me-down rifles/shotguns/rods & reels. Also, you seem to be extraordinarily mistaken about food costs AND the expense of getting to that food. Some years back, I lived in a small town in Louisiana that had a single independent grocer whose prices were astronomical. I mean to the point where nothing was worth purchasing unless it was in their bi-weekly circular and even then, only sometimes. The only other choice was an hour commute to get to a Walmart then an hour commute back. On the other hand, I was 10 minutes from publicly available hunting fishing, for which it cost me less than $100 annually for big game, small game, & year-round fishing
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captainblastum posted:Maybe I phrased it poorly, but those don't really seem to address the point that I was trying to make: that I don't believe the claims that people must hunt to survive anywhere in America. There are other, more cost effective choices for getting food. The places where hunting is cost-effective are deep rural areas. These kinds of places are allowed guns under even the most draconian of gun laws. So it's a bit of a strawman to say "We can't ban handguns, because what about the rural people who need hunting rifles to keep deer populations at bay?" These are different things. We can control the types of guns used in murders without banning the types of guns used to shoot deer and coyotes.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 18:58 |
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Deer are a plague like locust. The only difference between the two: deer taste good.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 18:59 |
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If we didn't kill all the wolves the deer pop wouldnt be a problem. Also I want to see the timelines where wolves evolve to deal with feral pigs successfully and the timeline were feral pigs deal with wolves successfully . e: Also I recently learn/watched a short youtube science vid about how wolves being reintroduced to Yellowstone actually changed the land(over the course of years), science is cool.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:00 |
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Mustached Demon posted:Deer are a plague like locust. The only difference between the two: deer taste good. You just haven't tried a good locust recipe.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:04 |
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A world where the glorious moose reigns supreme and shattered car frames litter mountain highways.
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Trabisnikof posted:You just haven't tried a good locust recipe.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:09 |
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Dude. That's a great story, I guess? Pretend I told 2, but with the opposite conclusion.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:09 |
captainblastum posted:That's a great story, I guess? Pretend I told 2, but with the opposite conclusion. Which is?
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:12 |
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captainblastum posted:Hunting isn't free. You're just ignoring all of the costs. hunting is quite a cheap source of meat if your time is low-value or free and you ignore the costs by not paying them (like licence fees). i mean, i've never gone hunting and never will, i don't have a dog in this fight. i absolutely consider it a crime that our society has such a poor safety net that's a reasonable approach for poor families, one that should be remedied by fixing it rather than by relying on hunting. i just am sympathetic to the idea you fix the safety net first. also most gun control that allows any private ownership would permit it, a bolt-action long rifle where you really only need one or two.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:12 |
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Just leave the deer alone g*ddamn. Just out in the woods eating sticks and salt or w/e. Leave em be
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:14 |
evilweasel posted:hunting is quite a cheap source of meat if your time is low-value or free and you ignore the costs by not paying them (like licence fees). i mean, i've never gone hunting and never will, i don't have a dog in this fight. i absolutely consider it a crime that our society has such a poor safety net that's a reasonable approach for poor families, one that should be remedied by fixing it rather than by relying on hunting. i just am sympathetic to the idea you fix the safety net first. also most gun control that allows any private ownership would permit it, a bolt-action long rifle where you really only need one or two. Hell, bow hunting has increased in popularity. It takes a bit more skill & dedication but it covers most game fairly well. Plus you can shoot target or 3D in between seasons!
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Calibanibal posted:Just leave the deer alone g*ddamn. Just out in the woods eating sticks and salt or w/e. Leave em be Look at this person that doesn't live & drive in deer country. Annoying fuckers, kill them all.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:20 |
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duz posted:Look at this person that doesn't live & drive in deer country. Annoying fuckers, kill them all. They are so cute.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:21 |
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duz posted:Look at this person that doesn't live & drive in deer country. Annoying fuckers, kill them all. We don't need to kill all drivers just reduce their numbers to something more sustainable in the long term.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:22 |
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I'm still wondering how prevalent subsistence hunting is, in places other than Alaska. Does anyone have figures?
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:23 |
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Does hunting for stale chex mix in the carpet under my desk count
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Calibanibal posted:Just leave the deer alone g*ddamn. Just out in the woods eating sticks and salt or w/e. Leave em be https://youtu.be/2JSNr9NxOdA
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captainblastum posted:Hunting isn't free. You're just ignoring all of the costs.
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