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Code Jockey posted:I really want to teach myself shader programming though, because while some CRT shaders are good, and emulate certain things I like... I dunno, it's never quite where I want it. Also I want Retroarch to be able to emit a loud pop and buzz/hiss of degaussing when I start a game up, and a low hum while I play. Emulate the experience, not just the game! I feel like that's best achieved with VR. Stuff like virtual manuals and boxes, feelies, that sort of thing are something that simply isn't worthwhile with a flat screen, but virtualizing them in a VR environment would get at least some of the way there. NewRetroArcade kinda-sorta does it but it feels more gimmicky and limited than I would want. But being able to reproduce stuff like the curvature of a CRT screen, that's impossible with a flat panel. It's trivial in VR, unfortunately resolution is currently a limiting factor, though the future outlook on that is good.
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FireMrshlBill posted:Just get the highest output quality cable for your console and hook it up to that and you will be happy. Yes, you will have that itch for the RGB PVM, but if you really saw them side by side, you would realize your cheap/free tv and not having to mod your consoles (except the s-video on a SNES mini) is a much better value if you aren't a graphics snob. The picture is definitely better on a PVM, I am just saying for most people, dropping <$40 on a TV and $10/ea on cables is a much better value than $300 on a PVM, $30/ea on SCART and BNC cables, and sometimes $100+ on each console mod. That $100 vs $500+ is more than good enough for most. I'm all for a sensible buyers' guide, but something like the NES RGB update compared to composite is a life-changing experience, it's not snobbery at all. Any other jump from composite to RGB won't feel as big. (although moving from the fuzzy PAL SNES to a 1chip SNES mini does come close) But yes I kinda agree that a nice CRT will be good enough and you don't really need to shell up hundreds for a PVM. I'll probably be unable to get a replacement should my 20M4E break, and I'll be looking a an upscaler option at that point.
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NES is the console where it really makes a huge difference. SNES is much harder to justify. RGB still looks better but you can get pretty good video out of s-vid so you gotta question the money. So it depends upon how many consoles you have and which generations.
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$50 amazon Svideo-to-hdmi scaler does the job Good Enough™ for me. No dot crawl, everything looks sharp, and it works on modern HDTV's. Again, I get the draw of scart, RGB and PVM's but man could I not justify the cost
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TeaJay posted:I'm all for a sensible buyers' guide, but something like the NES RGB update compared to composite is a life-changing experience, it's not snobbery at all. Any other jump from composite to RGB won't feel as big. (although moving from the fuzzy PAL SNES to a 1chip SNES mini does come close) Oh I didn't mean snob in a bad way (I actually do consider myself one when it comes to best output from my consoles, I just have been resigning to convenience and price these days). Ya, NES RGB is definitely the biggest improvement, I wish I paid for that over my N64's RGB mod especially with that component add-on for the NESrgb. I was more thinking of the jump from S-video to RGB on the N64/PS1/SNES and the difference between component and RGB on the PS2/Xbox. Sadly, I have no experience with anything higher than Svideo on my GC, other than playing over component on my Wii (still want to see the difference for Gameboy Player over component for 480i). If you can get a PVM for cheap (<$100) then it is worth it, as long as your set up allows it (like the 14" was just too small with my setup to be worth it, a 20" would make me consider moving my 27" Trinitron for it). Just that someone shouldn't drop $300-$500 on one from someone who knows they are in demand, and then drop another $100+ on mods (if they don't want to solder tiny leads themselves), and then money on each SCART cable, BNC adapter cable, and possibly a SCART switch (though I think having a single BNC adapter cable and just swapping different SCART cables connecting to it isn't that big of a pain). Compared to a free/cheap CRT and money spent on S-video and component cables, they may not get much added value unless they are really attentive to that sort of thing. Sorry if I made it sound like RGB people are snobs, definitely not. Just a smaller group within the retro gamer community and I have a feeling a lot of people get excited about that stuff but probably honestly don't get the added value they were expecting prior to spending the money. Respect to people who can just hook their consoles straight to a modern TV without an upscaler. I did that for years with my N64 and PS2 (s-video and component on my TV) and it made me not want to play those games much. At this point if my Trinitron dies and I don't find another one, I would consider going the framemeister route and finish RGB modding my consoles, or just go straight for the HDMI mods on my N64 and NES and use those component cables for the SNES (though the SNES mini covers most of the games I want to play on my SNES and I am fine using my Retron5 as well).
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I have a JVC H1950CG that only has S-Video. The picture quality, even with S-Video, is phenomenal. I bought it for $65 off of a facebook group last year. I probably won't ever find an RGB card for it, but there are instructions online to modify it for RGB. I also have a Sony KV-27FV310, which some people consider to be one of the best consumer sets. Given the choice, I'd take the JVC, but the difference isn't as pronounced as you would think. There are instructions for modding Sony FS120 TVs for RGB. I feel like we're going to see more and more of these kind of mods. To be honest, though, my CRTs sit in a closet and I do nearly all of my gaming with a Framemeister and a low-lag LCD. Turns out I'm big on pixel art rather than scanlines. I'm looking at an OSSC and an even lower-lag gaming LCD. I don't need it, but I want it. 
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  I assume this would be fine if it's still around? I just need to get a lifting restricton from surgery cleared from a doctor and then I should be able to get it. Getting it in the basement.. will be a thing though.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I just need to get a lifting restricton from surgery cleared from a doctor and then I should be able to get it. Getting it in the basement.. will be a thing though. You're gonna need, at the very least, two adults to get that thing.
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Yeah seriously dude either pay people to transport it for you or at least bribe some friends/family with beer and pizza. Trinitrons are insanely heavy, to the point where one goon even mentioned they were on a shortlist at his moving company for things they'd charge a premium to move (the other stuff was like grand pianos and fortified gun safes), you don't want to do a loving thing with them if you have some chronic issue that's bad enough you're seeing a specialist about it.
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Oh I'm planning on roping in a friend or two. The restriction is more of a general one after cancer surgery back on the 15th...but it's good to know it's not just your standard CRT. Plus side is I assume it's not a huge tip risk for kids?
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MazelTovCocktail posted:
Its 100lbs like my KV-27FS120. If you had surgery lately, then get a friend to help you (or do it themselves for a case of beer or something). I am out of shape and I can carry it around on the same level, however when we moved, I let the movers taking to down stairs to the basement. Maybe grab one of those foldable hand-trucks, that what I did originally when I shoved it in the front seat of my Mustang at the thrift store and then took it into my old place. Just handtruck'd it to the doorway and carried it the rest of the way. Luckily they have little hand holds that make it easier to carry (and I am 5'8" and wear 31" length sleeves... so not the biggest of people when it comes to reach). TheMadMilkman posted:I have a JVC H1950CG that only has S-Video. The picture quality, even with S-Video, is phenomenal. I bought it for $65 off of a facebook group last year. I probably won't ever find an RGB card for it, but there are instructions online to modify it for RGB. I also have a Sony KV-27FV310, which some people consider to be one of the best consumer sets. Given the choice, I'd take the JVC, but the difference isn't as pronounced as you would think. Ya, that guy who modded his 20" that only had composite and plans to do the mod on one with a Trinitron that has composite/svideo/component inputs to compare quality of each is intriguing. However, even as an electrical engineer, I don't like loving with CRT's and those caps. Especially since the little time I have for modding is when I am crazy tired at night after my kids go to bed and I put in 10-12 hours at work, or on weekends... when I am equally tired and likely to gently caress up.
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Also, make sure to bring gloves. Something about the bottoms of those things will tear your hands up.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Plus side is I assume it's not a huge tip risk for kids? Oh my sweet summer child. It's slightly different in that a small child probably won't have the strength required to shift the TV. That said they are extremely front-heavy so if they managed to slide it forward, even a tiny bit off the edge of where it is will send it crashing down. It's deceptive and one of the things making them really hard to carry, and shifting them to reach the back area is also really risky, I think it was reasonably common back in the CRT days for people to break their feet this way. Definitely make sure the TV is a ways away from the front edge of the sheft it's on and don't put a blanket or tablecloth underneath it. And make drat sure what you're putting it on is intended for a CRT or at the very least get assurance that it can support the weird. It's probably pretty safe if it's directly on the floor, at least.
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Ya, when carrying, have the tube against your body with one hand under it right next to your hip and the other hand reaching around to grab closer to the back. I may be mis-remembering about them having indent areas to help with carrying (thinking of a different 20" TV I had). but definitely keep one hand low to support most of the weight to keep it from falling on your feet, and the other hand reaching around to keep from it tilting back. Mine is in the basement and my kids don't go down there unsupervised, but ya, if they slide it forward it could kill them. Much more so than the 30-40lbs 60" HDtvs these days. If you get a stand low enough to the ground and is sturdy (it won't tilt), then you can just put some screws in front of the CRT so the TV catches on them and won't slide forward (though make sure you have all your inputs in first and cables run, it will be a pain to have to unscrew that each time to make changes). Then the big issue is just them climbing on it and tilting it forward, so don't leave them unsupervised around it and stress to them the importance of not climbing on it (or anything really). Plus they sell straps you can anchor to the wall to keep HDtvs from tilting forward.. you can probably rig on onto your CRT... even if screwing into the plastic case of the CRT (just make sure no electronics underneath that section) and anchoring to the wall. Tree Dude posted:Also, make sure to bring gloves. Something about the bottoms of those things will tear your hands up. Good idea. Helped a friend move one of those big 50"+ rear projection tv's years ago, even with 6 people, hands (and shins) were getting hosed up. No one agreed to help him move it out, so it got left for the next tenant. FireMrshlBill fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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I had a 27" tv fall on my daughter when she was a toddler. Fortunately, the stand was custom made and only about 10" tall, but never underestimate what kids will manage to do. Other than a bruised hip, she was fine. But it scared me like you can't imagine.
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Hmm on reconsideration if I can get it, I'm getting friends to lift that and only lift that (for compensation). I didn't realize it was around 100lbs. It would go on the floor in a basement and I'm sure the weight wouldn't be an issue. That said I would want some way to restrain it. Then again if it's on a flat surface it's going to as mentioned be mostly stable. Sigh if the Retron 5 would just handle flashcarts I could avoid this. Because I really just prefer playing it on the HD TV. Edit: actually on further thought just forget the huge rear end CRT. I'm just using clone stuff that can play on an HDTV. I mean it's not like I have a huge cartridge collection and it's not a good enough to potentially put my kids in risk when perfectly fine alternatives exist. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Holy gently caress, in my scared enraged adrenaline state I probably would have carried that thing outside to the curb immediately and Office Spaced it's rear end...MazelTovCocktail posted:Hmm on reconsideration if I can get it, I'm getting friends to lift that and only lift that (for compensation). I didn't realize it was around 100lbs. If its on the floor, I wouldn't worry about it unless your carpet is really plush and the weight of the tv can sink the front end in enough to give it a pivot point to tilt forward. On my stand, I am not that worried (even if my kids were in the basement more). Definitely something to take the proper precautions about and drill into them that it is dangerous to climb on, but also, we grew up with those behemoths (well, my parents never had anything bigger than a 20 or 24" which is 1/2 the weight of a 27"), and we survived.... though some kids didn't I guess. FireMrshlBill fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Anyone here have a GDEMU? I'm looking to mess around with my old dreamcast and this thing looks very easy to install but a pain in the rear end to actually use.
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Breadallelogram posted:Anyone here have a GDEMU? I'm looking to mess around with my old dreamcast and this thing looks very easy to install but a pain in the rear end to actually use. I have one and it's pretty great. It is easier to use than what the instructions would imply. There is a menu ISO (GDmenu:http://www.mediafire.com/download/xb9of8cgqophx35/GDmenu_v0.6(24-08-2016).zip) that can load at the beginning and gives you a full GUI menu. There is also an app that builds the SD card with ease that does the folder and file formatting for you here: https://assemblergames.com/threads/unofficial-deunans-gdemu-thread.57247/. In addition in the OP of that thread is a script that lets you shrink ISOs down to squeeze as much as you can. I have nearly the entire US library outside of a few sports games on a 128GB SD card.
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FireMrshlBill posted:Holy gently caress, in my scared enraged adrenaline state I probably would have carried that thing outside to the curb immediately and Office Spaced it's rear end... Eh, it's also that it's 100lb and I don't think my wife wants something like that for when we have to move to deal with and I don't want to deal with getting it in the house or roping people in to carry it (I didn't realize it was that heavy at first). Truthfully as much as a part of me wants everything running in the original settings, I'd be far more happier with something that I can just us with the main tv. It does seem there are a lot of genuinely good options out there now in terms of both clone hardware and emulation.
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So it's that time of year where I consider selling most of my games for my backup modded systems or systems I have everdrives for. People who have done this, how did it go?
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Definitely true. Maybe a Retron5 or the like for your carts and a RetroPie for your roms. I use an 8bitdo SFC30 with my Retron5 and like it. I imagine the upcoming SN30Pro/SFC30Pro would be a great pairing with the RetroPie. Or if you change your mind on the CRT, dropping down to a 24" or below pretty much cuts the weigh in half. Apparently that extra 3" weighs 50lbs.
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FireMrshlBill posted:I wouldn't recommend paying an arm and a leg for a PVM. Set up craigslist saved searches for a PVM in your area so you get alerts if any are posted and wait for a deal. In the meantime, a 20"-27" Trinitron (or other decent brand AND model CRT) with composite+s-video+component will be plenty. As I said a few pages back, I sold my 14" PVM because I was just using my 27" Trinitron pretty much exclusively anyway (admittedly because sitting on the couch in front of a 27" was much more convenient that the setup around a 14", and the difference in picture didn't make the loss of comfort worth it). I agree with all of this. I bought my PVM (the one FireMrshlBill sold) because the price was right and I had a new setup that had space for a PVM but not space to use my big CRT. I was tired of going up to the top floor to play stuff on the CRT when I could just play on the PVM at my desk while on conference calls, etc. I think PVMs are great and I don't regret getting mine at all, but I think they have a very specific use case that makes them worth it.
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Glad it is working out for you and you are getting more use of it than I did after I moved and my setup changed.
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Alucardd posted:I have one and it's pretty great. It is easier to use than what the instructions would imply. There is a menu ISO (GDmenu:http://www.mediafire.com/download/xb9of8cgqophx35/GDmenu_v0.6(24-08-2016).zip) that can load at the beginning and gives you a full GUI menu. There is also an app that builds the SD card with ease that does the folder and file formatting for you here: https://assemblergames.com/threads/unofficial-deunans-gdemu-thread.57247/. In addition in the OP of that thread is a script that lets you shrink ISOs down to squeeze as much as you can. I have nearly the entire US library outside of a few sports games on a 128GB SD card. nice, thank you for sharing that info Tree Dude posted:Is there any place to get a gdemu right now or do I need to wait for preorders to open up again? not that I've seen, think we gotta wait
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FireMrshlBill posted:Definitely true. Maybe a Retron5 or the like for your carts and a RetroPie for your roms. I use an 8bitdo SFC30 with my Retron5 and like it. I imagine the upcoming SN30Pro/SFC30Pro would be a great pairing with the RetroPie. How did pairing the 8bitdo SFC30 with the Retron 5 go for you? I have tried this, updated firmware etc and never got it to work despite doing exactly the steps I've found online and in videos. Was there some trick to it?
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worthless. posted:So it's that time of year where I consider selling most of my games for my backup modded systems or systems I have everdrives for. People who have done this, how did it go? I sold my collection a little over than a year ago and did this. I have had no regrets. I've had the chance to play some games I never would've had otherwise, I still get to play with original hardware (I'm kind of an RGB nerd) and I've never been much of a collector anyway.
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FireMrshlBill posted:Definitely true. Maybe a Retron5 or the like for your carts and a RetroPie for your roms. I use an 8bitdo SFC30 with my Retron5 and like it. I imagine the upcoming SN30Pro/SFC30Pro would be a great pairing with the RetroPie. Just don't forget that bluetooth controllers (and apparently sometimes USB ones) have an annoying amount of input lag on the RetroPie. It's bad enough that I can tell, and I suck at video games and am generally not a very observant or perceptive person.
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worthless. posted:So it's that time of year where I consider selling most of my games for my backup modded systems or systems I have everdrives for. People who have done this, how did it go? I did this after I bought an everdrive 64. Worked out fine. There are some carts I kept because they have some sentimental value but other that I dumped the rest. I am considering doing the same now that I have an snes mini as well. Snes carts are so crazy inflated and the hdmi output is already better than my svideo to hdmi scaler Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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DisposableHero posted:How did pairing the 8bitdo SFC30 with the Retron 5 go for you? I have tried this, updated firmware etc and never got it to work despite doing exactly the steps I've found online and in videos. Was there some trick to it? you have to use older firmware... I had to do a bit of searching and found some downloads on a forum somewhere or youtube video. I can email you the zip file if you PM me your address. RichterIX posted:Just don't forget that bluetooth controllers (and apparently sometimes USB ones) have an annoying amount of input lag on the RetroPie. It's bad enough that I can tell, and I suck at video games and am generally not a very observant or perceptive person. Ya, I posted in the SNES Classic Edition thread that I was play LttP last night and either it was me being very tired (worked really late every night over the weekend for a work deadline yesterday), the SNES mini has lag or the 8bitdo receiver + SFC30 I was using has similar issues to the Joycon from my couch, because just in the sewer area in the beginning, I couldn't hit the mice or snakes in time if they were coming right at me. And I never had issues with that on the SNES itself, GBA or emulation (3DS or PC). I will have to test, I didn't have any issues with other games, but I usually play in front of a monitor at a desk, but last night I had it on my TV and my couch is 10ft+ away. Probably was just me being tired and sloppy, but could be the controller lag + SNES Classic Edition lag combined. FireMrshlBill fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Why do you need a PM'd zip when it's on the company's website still? Download the firmware marked as Legacy for the SFC30 and turn it on while holding Start and L.
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That didn't work for me, so I had to go find it elsewhere. But ya, definitely try that first. Maybe it didn't flash the firmware correctly for me, and I didn't retry it since the controller powered on correctly.
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Thanks folks. I'll try the legacy firmware. I had updated it to mess around with on my switch but I don't really need that capability currently and would rather have it working with the retron.
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The SFC30Pro looks like a much better controller for the Switch anyway with those improved analog sticks (over the NES30Pro) and the over/under design for the R/ZR and L/ZL triggers. I think my NES30Pro will get retired to my laptop or as a second controller for my SNES Classic Edition on occasion
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worthless. posted:So it's that time of year where I consider selling most of my games for my backup modded systems or systems I have everdrives for. People who have done this, how did it go? I did this in 2003 to go all-emulation and have never regretted it for any reason other than brief moments of "I could have made thousands of dollars more if I...carried that stuff around across the last 7 house moves." Holding on to old games for me is like holding on to VHS tapes.
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I found a Breath of Fire 2 retranslation that at first glance is way better than the official one. Not that this is any great feat, that official translation was rough. Just wondering if there are any what other games might be out there that were fan translated to be an improvement over the actual release. Any suggestions? Especially for SNES but I'm curious in the topic at large too.
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