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The no vote might be higher than expected for various reasons. Such as people who were gonna tick yes, open up the envelope and think wait a minute homosexuals I think are kind of weird and then tick no.
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Voted yes despite living overseas. I am QLD's greatest export. I also desire to never return there.
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Ireland's SSM referendum: Turnout was 60.5%, Yes received 62.1%. We're already close to 60% turnout or maybe higher by now.
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Zenithe posted:I work with a broad range of demographics and people from different backgrounds and it's safe to assume everyone is a scumbag in advance and change your mind when given the correct promts hth. 
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Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I think the survey will be closer to 50/50 than the ~70% approval from informal polling. Then this will be used to shelve the whole proposed changes. Not to say that 70% doesn't reflect public opinion on gay marriage itself. It's just that what should be a question of rewording the requirements to enter a marriage contract is being framed as a referendum on gender politics, 'progressive' sexual attitudes and conservative victimhood. Look at the main thrust of the big money public No campaigning - gender fairies and don't feel bullied by the majority public sentiment, the actual proposed changes don't even get a mention. These tactics are definitely finding their mark, 2 minutes on Facebook makes that clear. That's among older/regional folk, kind of vocal PHON supporter crowd and the younger alt right types also. There's recent examples of this. Many people treated Brexit as a referendum on immigrants and political correctness, same with Trump presidency. Look at the Australian republic referendum. A lot of folks who support republicanism in general voted No on account that they felt that the public didn't get enough of say into who their President was like Americans do. Regardless of the fact that the proposed 'president' role was a replacement for the governor general and not the PM and that they would be decided by parliamentary vote rather than just nominated by the PM. 20 years later and we are still stuck with it.
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Nobody other than absolutely munted culture warrior lunatics care about gender theory so trying to make it a wedge isn't going to be very successful. Conversely, most people do care about keeping non-whites out, so that was an effective wedge for Brexit.
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racing identity posted:Nobody other than absolutely munted culture warrior lunatics care about gender theory so trying to make it a wedge isn't going to be very successful. The safe schools argument has worked well unfortunately precisely because they avoid talking about what the safe schools program actually involves and people can speculate the worst.
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It's not just gender theory its grooming, AIDS, poofters in the womens' loo, etc. Saw two macros today. One was a kid photoshopped between two leather gay dudes, another with pony play people. Thise wedges work with more people than its comfortable to admit.
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Pocket Billiards posted:Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I think the survey will be closer to 50/50 than the ~70% approval from informal polling. Then this will be used to shelve the whole proposed changes. The problem with the Republic vote was that the question wasn't in regards to "do you want a Republic", it was "Do you want THIS Republic."
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Lid posted:http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/no-compelling-evidence-matthew-leveson-was-killed-by-boyfriend-inquest-told-20171003-gyt8cg.html Here's a problem: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-03/death-in-custody-how-did-tane-chatfield-die/9011948 Police state we don't need no steeeenkkin' police state, we're way past that now http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-04/renewed-push-for-terrorism-suspects-to-be-held-for-a-fortnight/9012588 "Sure they are environmental vandals and proven corrupt crooks but that shouldn't stand against them!" (Actual QLD politician) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-03/queensland-government-defends-adani-amid-damning-allegations/9010532
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Senor Tron posted:The safe schools argument has worked well unfortunately precisely because they avoid talking about what the safe schools program actually involves and people can speculate the worst. I have one friend who is voting yes but opposes safe schools on the grounds that he doesn't want the government teaching his kids how to respect other people and (in my opinion as well) would do a better job himself. Unfortunately he won't factor in the slowest walkers on this one.
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Personally I reckon yes is going to romp it in. Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic (I'm fully prepared to admit that it may be a bit of an echo chamber effect), but I'm confident enough to put it in writing here, preserved for all time until the heat death of the universe (or the result comes in and reminds me that this is a garbage country full of garbage people).
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I am deeply concerned that it will be very close despite all the data from the last two years indicating everyone is down with gay marriage except for QLD.
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Man claiming to be ‘Man Living in Body’ questions court’s jurisdiction over him posted:A DEFENDANT claiming he should be known only as “Man Living In Body” has questioned a court’s jurisdiction to deal with his criminal charges, even telling a judge he doesn’t actually exist.
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A graphic homophobic sign hung above three northbound lanes of the M1 through Springwood on Tuesday took aim at the media, government and the LGBTI community. The sign was hung over the side of the Watland Street overpass and featured hand-drawn images of both male and female reproductive organs, telling passing motorists to "wake up". A picture of the sign was posted to a Facebook page and attracted comments and jokes about the "childish illustrations". "Ashamed this is Brisbane," one person wrote. "Is that meant to be two vaginas touching? I do not think they have ever actually seen a vagina," another commenter wrote. "What a waste of a couple of nice white bed sheets. And....a life drawing art class - cause honey....they don't look like that," said another Facebook user. In one comment on the post, the page administrator said the sign has since been taken down. LGBTI Legal Service president Matilda Alexander said far-right groups had been given a platform for their messages of hate and vilification by the same-sex marriage survey. “This is a public act that exposes people to a form of homophobia that we hadn’t seen before the vote,” she said. “We are just seeing so much unlawful hate-speech being directed at gay and lesbian people throughout Australia.” The legal service established the Like Love project to address vilification during the Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey period. They plan to present similar cases as part of a complaint to the Anti-Discrimination Commission at the end of the campaign period. The Department of Transport and Main Roads was contacted for comment.
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starkebn posted:If the name doesn't fit, you must acquit! I DO NOT CONSENT I DO NOT CONSENT I DO NOT CONSENT
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racing identity posted:Nobody other than absolutely munted culture warrior lunatics care about gender theory so trying to make it a wedge isn't going to be very successful. do you actually believe this or is this satire
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Intoluene posted:The problem with the Republic vote was that the question wasn't in regards to "do you want a Republic", it was "Do you want THIS Republic." Yes but consider what THAT republic was (going by memory here). Status quo - GG selected exclusively by PM and approved by Queen. Referendum proposal - 'President' replaces GG and is selected by lower house from public nominations. Not insignificant number of pro republic people vote no on the basis they don't have enough power, maintaining a system where the person in that role is picked by the PM and approved by the Queen and forfeiting the chance to both become a republic and transfer the power to select the head of government from 2 people to 150. All I'm saying it's a pretty recent Australian example of how something can be framed to get in-principle supporters to vote against it and nullify it for decades.
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There is a generation on Uni Students growing up right now that believe the internet created a bunch of crazy people who identify as some alt right troll pronoun which was probably created in Moscow and that society is a few years away from destroying itself. Of course the Safe Schools argument works, the internet made it possible to believe anything you read. This survey is gonna be atleast 60/40 to yes and anything closer will be ignored by the Coalition.
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"I want gay marriage but not if my children are involved!"
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Which is exactly why Howard is running a full page ad saying "let's see the details on SSM" because this trick was very successful in the Republic debate.
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Pocket Billiards posted:All I'm saying it's a pretty recent Australian example of how something can be framed to get in-principle supporters to vote against it and nullify it for decades. That's why Abbott wanted people to vote on the actual legislation, rather than a general statement of intent. The nature of the process (voluntary postal voting in a country used to compulsory in-person voting) is a big unknown but the polls are pretty overwhelming in support of YES. A NO result wouldn't be like Brexit or Trump where what happened was still within the margin of error.
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Anidav posted:There is a generation on Uni Students growing up right now that believe the internet created a bunch of crazy people who identify as some alt right troll pronoun which was probably created in Moscow and that society is a few years away from destroying itself.
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Pocket Billiards posted:Yes but consider what THAT republic was (going by memory here). I don't know how appropriate this comparison is. A republic of any sort isn't the goal, it's a specific type of republic. If you're not being offered what you want why would you vote for it? What was on offer was perceived as worse, or at least no better, than the status quo and was rightly rejected. There will likely be another referendum on the republic at some stage, if the 1999 one had passed we'd be stuck with it forever.
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Anidav posted:There is a generation on Uni Students growing up right now that believe the internet created a bunch of crazy people who identify as some alt right troll pronoun which was probably created in Moscow and that society is a few years away from destroying itself. See also younger white collar workforce that dedicate 12 hours a week to listening to Joe Rogan podcasts.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:A graphic homophobic sign hung above three northbound lanes of the M1 through Springwood on Tuesday took aim at the media, government and the LGBTI community. https://twitter.com/petertaggart/status/915344039930503169
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IDK how the vote will go but I do know the LNP will do anything to ignore it. The Pyrrhic victory could be the mobilization of a previously-disinterested demographic to enrol to vote.
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if you believe that there isn't a significant amount of Australians out there who are honestly scared their children are going to be turned gay or trans by radical gender theories in schools, i must ask whether you've paid any attention to the news in the past year
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Has any body said "Smash the Gay-triarchy" yet? Also poorly drawn sex organs ITT.
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18% of greens voters think no. How does that even happen.
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foolish_fool posted:18% of greens voters think no. How does that even happen. Tree huggers in the Whish-Wilson mould but they think gays are creepy rather than penalty rates being in the Quran and therefore evil or whatever.
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foolish_fool posted:18% of greens voters think no. How does that even happen. 
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foolish_fool posted:18% of greens voters think no. How does that even happen. People who don't think marriage should be a thing, tree tories, protest voters, etc. If you really want an odd result for the Greens, look at this survey.
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*in extremely evilelmo voice* How can the greens convince Middle Australia if they can't even convince 9% of their own voters
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a realistic depiction of two vaginas kissing
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