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Hey Mr. Baud,"A perspective on why this textbook thing might not sit well with some folk posted:Jennifer Dockstader, executive director at the Fort Erie Native Friendship Centre, said the language used in the book — particularly a section that reportedly says Indigenous people would want to get away from settlers’ “hustle and bustle” — perpetuates negative stereotypes about First Nations peoples.
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James Baud posted:In Edmonton, a man is apparently running twice in their civic election under different names, and he probably would have gotten away with it without this guy making a thing of it. (Twitter giveth, twitter taketh away.) That takes moxie. I'd vote for him(s).
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infernal machines posted:Oh my god. How do you even live? Every time I go back to Toronto I just load up on jerk chicken and beef patties that's how
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Oct 4, 2017 08:12
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The Butcher posted:That takes moxie. I'd vote for him(s). no it takes an incompetent city employee not bothering to verify documents
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Oct 4, 2017 12:23
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RBC posted:no it takes an incompetent city employee not bothering to verify documents You're assuming there's such a thing as a competent city employee.
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Oct 4, 2017 14:48
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infernal machines posted:Hey Mr. Baud, Did the Fraser Institute write this textbook????
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Oct 4, 2017 14:48
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DariusLikewise posted:Did the Fraser Institute write this textbook???? Jesus Christ leave the horror movies to CineD.
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Oct 4, 2017 15:07
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RBC posted:no it takes an incompetent city employee not bothering to verify documents If the guy has papers in order with two different names and doesn't file to run with the same employee, not sure how that's a sign of city employee incompetence. Weird though. School board trustee is a who cares role, but mayoral races do garner some attention.
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Oct 4, 2017 15:15
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This municipal election in Calgary is terrible because I hate everyone I have the option of voting for. But I think I have to suck it up and vote for the least bad candidates in all positions, because we've seen what failing to do that can lead to.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:05
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Jordan7hm posted:If the guy has papers in order with two different names and doesn't file to run with the same employee, not sure how that's a sign of city employee incompetence. Last time I voted in a Toronto mayoral election there were about 150 candidates on the ballot.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:10
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School Board Trustees make 25k a year for doing like 3 meetings a year. It's the ultimate part-time job.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:12
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We have some sort of pseudo-political-party, supported by Jason Kenney, supporting a bunch of trustee candidates. They have some bullshit platform they don't even explain, like "fix math" (I wasn't aware math was broken!) and "stop spending money on administration." These people are all dumb as gently caress and I hate them. There's also a lot of candidates running on "parental choice" which usually means "how dare you tell my kid that gay people exist and aren't to be hated!"
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Oct 4, 2017 16:16
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infernal machines posted:The strangest bedfellows Bedfellows, yes Lobok posted:Take me, Jagmeet! Ravish me!
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Oct 4, 2017 16:24
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PT6A posted:"stop spending money on administration." This is the funniest pseudo-fiscal conservative attitude because it's essentially "vote for me and I'll ensure the government stops doing any of the things it's supposed to do" It stops being funny when people buy into it and elect the dumb bastards 
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Oct 4, 2017 16:28
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PT6A posted:We have some sort of pseudo-political-party, supported by Jason Kenney, supporting a bunch of trustee candidates. They have some bullshit platform they don't even explain, like "fix math" (I wasn't aware math was broken!) and "stop spending money on administration." "fix math" usually means "go back to memorization rather than teaching children math concepts so they can make connections beyond what they've memorized" because clearly whatever useless terrible way the parent learned math as a kid is the only way to learn, and pedagogical research is bullshit
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Angry Diplomat posted:This is the funniest pseudo-fiscal conservative attitude because it's essentially "vote for me and I'll ensure the government stops doing any of the things it's supposed to do" "To pull this wagon, we need more horses and fewer harnesses!" What could go wrong???
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vyelkin posted:"fix math" usually means "go back to memorization rather than teaching children math concepts so they can make connections beyond what they've memorized" because clearly whatever useless terrible way the parent learned math as a kid is the only way to learn, and pedagogical research is bullshit Yes, I know that. It's obvious nonsense, easily spotted by the fact its most strident supporters tend to be the most innumerate. All this whinging about "I can't do my kids homework lol!!!" only shows that the parents are either illiterate (in that they can't be bothered to read definitions of the terms being used) or very bad at math.
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A lot of the time I'd be too apathetic to bother much in municipal politics, but gently caress this shady cabal poo poo. I'm going to do the vote-y thing specifically to vote against their candidates.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:39
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PT6A posted:Yes, I know that. It's obvious nonsense, easily spotted by the fact its most strident supporters tend to be the most innumerate. It's still hilarious to me because all of the stuff about "new math" that I heard about was exactly what I had to do in my head when I used to bartend. We had a cash-only machine that I didn't know (and later realized it took too much time anyway) to punch in cash given to make change, so I did the math in my head using those same concepts.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:41
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PT6A posted:We have some sort of pseudo-political-party, supported by Jason Kenney, supporting a bunch of trustee candidates. They have some bullshit platform they don't even explain, like "fix math" (I wasn't aware math was broken!) and "stop spending money on administration." Trustees don't decide on the curriculum so good luck on "fixing math" in any way other than just spending more money on math learning tools? And I guess the Trustees once elected just won't pay themselves? Because they are pretty much the administrators. That's half the problem with the loving population of this country they have no idea what each level of government is responsible for.
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mojo1701a posted:It's still hilarious to me because all of the stuff about "new math" that I heard about was exactly what I had to do in my head when I used to bartend. We had a cash-only machine that I didn't know (and later realized it took too much time anyway) to punch in cash given to make change, so I did the math in my head using those same concepts. Exactly. If you can't recognize that 99% of the discovery math stuff is essentially about explaining why the traditional algorithms work and what they really represent, then it's YOUR math education that was hosed up and bad. There's no longer any value to teaching calculation without understanding, considering that everyone has a calculator with them at all times now.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:54
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PT6A posted:Exactly. If you can't recognize that 99% of the discovery math stuff is essentially about explaining why the traditional algorithms work and what they really represent, then it's YOUR math education that was hosed up and bad. It's sort of incredible to see all the wailing about how parents don't understand their kids' math homework anymore. I don't see how discovery math was any different from the occasional use of "manipulatives" and the other little toy poo poo we pushed around our desk as kids to visualize orders of magnitude, other than that it has a name and therefore it can be attacked as a proxy for liberal elitists telling your kids to recycle. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Oct 4, 2017 |
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The problem with how math is taught isn't the idea of discovery learning, but rather that a lot of teachers don't understand what they're teaching and so teach discovery learning techniques in the same "rote memorization, follow this algorithm just because" way as they were taught before. While traditional algorithms seem like black boxes of magic if you don't understand them, they're mostly relatively easy to follow, while discovery learning techniques really rely on understanding because there are a lot of judgement based decisions in choosing which way to approach the problem. The overuse of calculators is also disgusting. They've replaced "follow these steps on paper and in your head" with "press these buttons on your TI graphing calculator." I doubt any of these "fix math" have meaningful solutions to any of this, though.
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I liked learning traditional algorithms/math but I'm a turbonerd and always was.
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We got a muni by-election coming up in Vancouver as well, I think I'm gonna vote for this lady: http://www.votejeanswanson.ca/platform posted:- Officially take the position that there should be a 0% rent increase over the next four years  None of that would ever happen, but getting a good and passionate independent into council to weaken the Vision stranglehold a bit and at least talk about this poo poo would be an improvement.
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The Butcher posted:We got a muni by-election coming up in Vancouver as well, I think I'm gonna vote for this lady: http://www.votejeanswanson.ca/ Yeah Jean Swanson is awesome and everyone should vote for her so we can start the move towards full automated luxury gay space communism or whatever.
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infernal machines posted:Can you talk about who you’re working with in Ontario? I’m aware of some people who have been offering input on legalization and it seems like the OLP announcement has been unpopular with pretty much everyone. There is no real organized group out east, which is why Ontario is going to be the gold star disaster of this entire boondoggle. They are going to spend billions (literal billions) to build a retailing system to handle a product they know nothing about and won't treat like fresh produce (eg they think you can store weed in a warehouse for a year), all so they can do the world's worst job of competing with mail order retailers from BC who already have better product, better prices, and better service If I lived in Ontario I would be apoplectic about this. It's a Wynne masterpiece.
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Oh and don't forget that Wynne is giving exclusive market access to the CCBO to the companies that (for instance) knowingly sprayed toxic pesticides on medical cannabis for a long time before they got caught doing it by Health Canada. No, they didn't lose their production licenses over that little mix-up, why do you ask?
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:The overuse of calculators is also disgusting. They've replaced "follow these steps on paper and in your head" with "press these buttons on your TI graphing calculator." Ehh as long as people know what buttons to press to achieve whatever, how much does understanding what the magic rectangle is doing to spit out the answer actually matter for the majority of people? The teachers always said "well, you won't always have a calculator in your pocket" but who had the last laugh? WHO HAD THE LAST LAUGH MRS. SMITH?!
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RCMP casino money laundering probe uncovered alleged 'terrorist financing' links: Vancouver Sun (no relation)quote:An RCMP investigation into underground banking and alleged laundering of drug cash in B.C. casinos revealed suspicions of “terrorist financing,” a B.C. government document obtained by Postmedia alleges.
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The Butcher posted:Ehh as long as people know what buttons to press to achieve whatever, how much does understanding what the magic rectangle is doing to spit out the answer actually matter for the majority of people? I had a business math teacher in college who let us do that: as long as we put down exactly what buttons we pushed and got the correct answer, we got full marks. Then again, we were doing it for time-value-of-money stuff instead of just simple equations.
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The Butcher posted:Ehh as long as people know what buttons to press to achieve whatever, how much does understanding what the magic rectangle is doing to spit out the answer actually matter for the majority of people? I've seen students who've been taught to factor by typing in a linear equation they don't understand into the graphing calculator and looking up numbers in a table the calculator spits out. This serves absolutely no purpose. Anyone who needs to know how to factor needs to actually understand how to factor and what you're doing to find the numbers, without that understanding they'll never pass subsequent courses where that's assumed knowledge and those people will never factor anything in their life anyway because even if they come upon a situation where it will be useful they'll never realize that factoring is what they need to do. Calculators are super great time saving devices, but they are horrid teaching tools.
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The Butcher posted:Ehh as long as people know what buttons to press to achieve whatever, how much does understanding what the magic rectangle is doing to spit out the answer actually matter for the majority of people? Exactly. Most people don't need to know exactly how the arithmetic works. What people do need is the ability to quickly estimate results, to be able to know if the computed answer makes sense, reducing the probability that you'll use an incorrect result without noticing. I believe that sort of thing is covered in the new curriculum, so that's awful handy! Peaceful Anarchy posted:The problem with how math is taught isn't the idea of discovery learning, but rather that a lot of teachers don't understand what they're teaching and so teach discovery learning techniques in the same "rote memorization, follow this algorithm just because" way as they were taught before. While traditional algorithms seem like black boxes of magic if you don't understand them, they're mostly relatively easy to follow, while discovery learning techniques really rely on understanding because there are a lot of judgement based decisions in choosing which way to approach the problem. The overuse of calculators is also disgusting. They've replaced "follow these steps on paper and in your head" with "press these buttons on your TI graphing calculator." I doubt any of these "fix math" have meaningful solutions to any of this, though. A really meaningful solution would be to make sure that, at every level of education, the people teaching math are actually competent at it. In the lower grades, it's obvious that this is not presently the case.
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The Butcher posted:Ehh as long as people know what buttons to press to achieve whatever, how much does understanding what the magic rectangle is doing to spit out the answer actually matter for the majority of people? It's good for younger kids to get an good understanding about how math works and then split into advanced and basic courses as they get older. In Manitoba once you hit High School you have the choice of Consumer Math: Learn to do your taxes and how to split a bill and tip when you go to a restaurant, cause that's all you'll ever need Applied Math: Learn how to use a graphing calculator Pre-Calculus: Using a calculator for anything is cheating. 0% if you don't have 4 pages of loose leaf attached to your tests showing all your work.
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:The problem with how math is taught isn't the idea of discovery learning, but rather that a lot of teachers don't understand what they're teaching gently caress man, it was like that when I was in school. Half the teachers had to run out of the room to get help from the other half when it came to teaching us math from 6th grade onwards
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DariusLikewise posted:It's good for younger kids to get an good understanding about how math works and then split into advanced and basic courses as they get older. In Manitoba once you hit High School you have the choice of 
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Franks Happy Place posted:There is no real organized group out east, which is why Ontario is going to be the gold star disaster of this entire boondoggle. I'm not entirely surprised they went with the CCBO/LCBO model, given the revenue they get from the LCBO and the complete lack of institutional knowledge re: marijuana. I'm unclear on medicinal access though, the reporting I've seen seems to suggest the CCBO will be the the only retail level distributor (hence all the current retailers being "on notice"), but there was a lot of interest from traditional pharmacy chains in doing prescription and possible OTC distribution. I'm surprised to see them being shut out.
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DariusLikewise posted:School Board Trustees make 25k a year for doing like 3 meetings a year. It's the ultimate part-time job. Most city school trustees are looking at 10-20 meetings minimum as they normally meet monthly during the school year once for the public and then again in camera on various committees. They also have to show up at any public meetings about school board business like schools opening or closing, budget announcements and also at events like retirements, class reunions, holiday concerts, graduations, and stuff like that. Also they have to field calls and emails from parents who are mad because little Jon-Jon didn't pass math and it's definitely the teacher's fault. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they do 3 meetings a year. Maybe in really rural areas?
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Guy Caron is the new NDP house leader.
Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Oct 4, 2017 |
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When did Native become a bad word? Serious question, Google isn't getting me too far other than a few articles saying it's outdated. I was born in 91 and it was still the go to terminology when I was growing up.
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