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Oct 4, 2017 15:16
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There was a GBS thread around. To anyone I argued with: i thought "GC" meant Gobierno Central, and I'm starting to think it actually means Gobierno Catalan. Every time I mentioned a government, I meant Madrid. Sorry if this created any misunderstanding.
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Oct 4, 2017 15:18
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I thought it meant GaussianCupola. Their opinions match.
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Oct 4, 2017 15:28
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lollontee posted:I thought it meant GaussianCupola. Their opinions match. I don't think the Spanish goverment has expressed their desire to murder refugees...yet.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:47
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Freezer posted:I don't think the Spanish goverment has expressed their desire to murder refugees...yet. They pay Morocco to do that kind of stuff.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:50
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Elman posted:Brexit and Trump happened and those were mostly economical reasons supported by nationalist demagogy. Same thing. That's an apple to orange comparison though. Trump isn't a separatist movement (you could argue he campaigned on isolationism; but separatism and isolationism are still different things) and Brexit is the outcome of 40 years of tabloid propaganda.
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Oct 4, 2017 17:41
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Cat Mattress posted:That's an apple to orange comparison though. Trump isn't a separatist movement (you could argue he campaigned on isolationism; but separatism and isolationism are still different things) and Brexit is the outcome of 40 years of tabloid propaganda. Tabloid propaganda and military psyops. Links to The Guardian, not to any conspiracy site.
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Oct 4, 2017 17:49
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Elman posted:The only way forward is to hold a proper referendum and negotiate afterwards. Of course, they should have simply negotiated a proper referendum with an intransigent central government who flatly refuses to negotiate anything that might even hint at giving Catalonia more autonomy! How stupid of Puigdemont & co. not to think of that. The only thing more ridiculous than the gobierno refusing to negotiate and then acting like it's the generalitat's fault for holding a non-negotiated referendum is that some people are apparently happy to buy wholesale into this argument.
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Oct 4, 2017 18:08
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ed02_story.html there's no  big enough
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Oct 4, 2017 18:41
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I hope the EU will stand in solidarity with the defenders of law, justice and order in these troubling times. Maybe countries like Germany and Italy could offer police forces to support the legitimate Spanish government in Madrid to demonstrate to the Catalan people that their supposed leaders are demagogues who led them on a ruinous path out of the EU. In other news, more and more companies announced that they are leaving Barcelona/Catalonia for Madrid.
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Oct 4, 2017 19:00
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Truga posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ed02_story.html Washington Post posted:The Catalan filmmaker Isabel Coixet said pro-independence authorities have muffled debate. It must be quite shocking for a known left-winger like her to be now called a fascist (of all things) for oposing independence. Also I agree (at least in part) with this.
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Oct 4, 2017 19:05
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Did this really happen? LMAO if so [quote="“ekuNNN”" post="“477053686”"]   [/quote]
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Oct 4, 2017 19:26
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Quite frankly if they were named Dogalonia instead of Catalonia they would have the full backing of the international sphere.
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Oct 4, 2017 19:42
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I hope Barcelona gets sacked and its treasures are laid at the feet of the King in front of his palace in Madrid.
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Oct 4, 2017 19:43
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Bobby Digital posted:Did this really happen? LMAO if so
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Oct 4, 2017 19:46
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qkkl posted:I hope Barcelona gets sacked and its treasures are laid at the feet of the King in front of his palace in Madrid. Also that all FC Barcelona titles are retroactively voided 
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Oct 4, 2017 19:46
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It's really bizarre to compare what is happening right now in Catalonia to how Iraq dealt with the Kurdish independence vote: Which of these situations did you expect would feature diplomatic restraint?
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Oct 4, 2017 21:02
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So Puigdemont is now calling for mediation, as expected, because a mediation process would ensure that he makes some gains through his actions. Rajoy on the other hand is simply waiting for the Catalan to make the next move, confident in his position. Unless the Catalans find someway to pressure Rajoy internationally, which doesn't seem likely at this point because no one but Nigel Farrage is backing them, nothing will happen until Monday.
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Oct 4, 2017 21:11
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qkkl posted:I hope Barcelona gets sacked and its treasures are laid at the feet of the King in front of his palace in Madrid. I hope the king gets sacked
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Oct 4, 2017 21:13
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Truga posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ed02_story.html I particularly enjoy how the king accused them of being disloyal. It's like, yes, they know, that's the entire loving point.
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Oct 4, 2017 21:23
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Democrazy posted:It's really bizarre to compare what is happening right now in Catalonia to how Iraq dealt with the Kurdish independence vote: Which of these situations did you expect would feature diplomatic restraint?
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Oct 4, 2017 21:25
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mobby_6kl posted:I don't think there's any chance of Iran and Turkey invading Catalonia in case they declare independence though. Well, there are army bases inside Catalonia already, so technically it will be invaded as soon as they declare independence.
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Oct 4, 2017 21:29
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Mozi posted:Quite frankly if they were named Dogalonia instead of Catalonia they would have the full backing of the international sphere. Dogalonia, capital Barkelona Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I hope the king gets sacked If Catalonia becomes independent, they'd likely become a republic, so yes. 
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Oct 4, 2017 21:33
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Look at all the dog-whistling going on in this thread.
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Oct 4, 2017 21:34
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Orange Devil posted:Look at all the dog-whistling going on in this thread. I've always felt you were prejudiced against cats.
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Oct 4, 2017 21:45
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mobby_6kl posted:I don't think there's any chance of Iran and Turkey invading Catalonia in case they declare independence though. So far there has been far less violence than in Spain. And many Europeans would swear that Iraqis and Kurds are incapable of exhibiting more civility than a European.
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Oct 4, 2017 21:46
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/915675406556176384
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Oct 4, 2017 21:56
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Sure, douse that fire with gasoline, what could go wrong.
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Oct 4, 2017 22:27
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Democrazy posted:So far there has been far less violence than in Spain. And many Europeans would swear that Iraqis and Kurds are incapable of exhibiting more civility than a European. Europe ends at the Pyrenees
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Oct 4, 2017 22:38
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double nine posted:Sure, douse that fire with gasoline, what could go wrong. Brinksmanship always works.
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Oct 4, 2017 22:42
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GaussianCopula posted:I hope the EU will stand in solidarity with the defenders of law, justice and order in these troubling times. Maybe countries like Germany and Italy could offer police forces to support the legitimate Spanish government in Madrid to demonstrate to the Catalan people that their supposed leaders are demagogues who led them on a ruinous path out of the EU. And then I start wondering if you've mastered the art of irony. Masterful caricature either way.
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Oct 4, 2017 22:43
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Senor Dog posted:Europe ends at the Pyrenees Wow, slam on the people of Gibraltar out of nowhere 
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Oct 4, 2017 22:43
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GaussianCopula posted:I hope the EU will stand in solidarity with the defenders of law, justice and order in these troubling times. Maybe countries like Germany and Italy could offer police forces to support the legitimate Spanish government in Madrid to demonstrate to the Catalan people that their supposed leaders are demagogues who led them on a ruinous path out of the EU. Yes, let's send in the Germans again. Like in that famous painting
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Oct 4, 2017 22:51
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I don't think Airbus still makes parts for He-111s and the 4 surviving ones aren't airworthy so it'd take some tinkering, but I'm sure we can do it by working together, EU.
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Oct 5, 2017 00:30
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Germany is looking at buying F-15 for that role, because Tornados are too expensive to maintain and Typhoons are too expensive to modify.
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Oct 5, 2017 00:48
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BabyFur Denny posted:Yes, let's send in the Germans again. Like in that famous painting Maybe we can move all those Antifa folks to help out and be a police force in Catalonia
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Oct 5, 2017 02:19
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We should really have a separate thread but I'll say this. This situation is the result of the generational sins of the Spanish Nation coming back to coup. The nation never healed from Franco and his ugly head will continue to real up until that healing occurs. Rajoy and the Spanish King are pushing this to be nothing but a rehash of that ugly legacy of his fascist state and their own ugly history of colonialism just as what goes on today in America results from the wounds of the civil war.
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Oct 5, 2017 03:31
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If Spain sends more troops and tries to counter coup the country wont it justify a violent breakoff with a health 15' 6" DMZ in the middle of europe. I mean gently caress dude france will arm them just to middle finger Madrid. this is going to be really loving scary in a year. I mean Spain isnt going to lose 20% of its economy overnight withoit a fight.
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Oct 5, 2017 07:50
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I've seen this suggestion about French involvement multiple times in this thread now and I really wonder where this idea comes from. Especially given the French context of a secessionist movement in Corsica.
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Oct 5, 2017 08:14
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The sacking of Catalonia has already begun https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/915836851260411905 The separatist leaders need mediation to happen asap or they are royally hosed because they will have fallen in the same trap Cameron (and, to a lesser degree Tsipras) fell into, trying to blackmail the EU/Spain with the threat of a referendum/separation to get what you want, only to find out that the other side has all the cards and will watch you self-immolate and piss on your ashes. Orange Devil posted:I've seen this suggestion about French involvement multiple times in this thread now and I really wonder where this idea comes from. Especially given the French context of a secessionist movement in Corsica. I'm sure Macron wants to stab Rajoy, a well regarded member of the EPP family, in the back by interfering in Spain's internal affairs for little to no gain. It's not like he has other items on his agenda. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Oct 5, 2017 08:18
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