|
Lemming posted:This entire loving post is you replacing "guns" with "cars" and ignoring all other context, idiot. There are more relevant factors than "how many people does this kill a year." Trabisnikof posted:You might have a "right" to buy a car but you certainly don't have a right to drive it.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:05 |
|
|
# ? May 23, 2024 11:20 |
|
twodot posted:Show me where the word "guns" is in that post. Have you noticed steinrokkan is not saying "Hold up, I only meant for my descriptions of externalities of rights impinging on each other to apply to guns, that was never intended for anything else", and that I am specifically accusing them of that behavior, but pretending to have a general framework? That your inane is pointless and selfdefeating because it is a lovely comparison.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:06 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:Yay, car analogy time! If you invent a gun that can't be moved away from your house, you can keep it. A car that doesn't meet government regulations is going to be pretty hard to smuggle away from your private yard or circuit or whatever, unlike a gun.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:06 |
|
steinrokkan posted:If you invent a gun that can't be moved away from your house, you can keep it. A car that doesn't meet government regulations is going to be pretty hard to smuggle away from your private yard or circuit or whatever, unlike a gun.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:08 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:Idgi, are you saying that people shouldn't be allowed to build track cars because they might take them on public roads in violation of the law? I'm saying a car is much harder to smuggle out of your property illegally than a gun. Also it is harder to shoot your neighbor with a car parked on your property. But I accept your premise. You CAN have guns within the limits of your personally owned property. However, as soon as any privately owned gun moves to public land or to the land of somebody who hasn't given you a written permit, you go to jail. I don't care how you plan on getting the gun from the store to your place.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:11 |
|
Crowsbeak posted:If someone wants to have lead in the thing they killed let them do so. Don't take it away from them. I propose massive fines for every gram of lead expended that doesn't end up (and remain) in the hunter's own stomach.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:17 |
|
Breaking up gunchat for a spell... What do we know about the populist Dem who just won Birmingham? Evil unelectable commie black panther about to sink the party or centrist sellout squish party apparatchik?
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:19 |
|
The Tyranny of the Obama Regime still continues to impact the lives of everyday Americans.quote:FDA: "love" isn't an ingredient https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-sorry-love-isnt-an-ingredient/
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:22 |
|
steinrokkan posted:I'm saying a car is much harder to smuggle out of your property illegally than a gun. Also it is harder to shoot your neighbor with a car parked on your property. Also, where do you live? Taking a car off private property and into public is usually as simple as opening the gate and driving through. steinrokkan: "Guns should be regulated like cars!" Me: "Yeah, OK, given the way we actually regulate cars, that would work." steinrokkan: "NO! Guns should be illegal everywhere in public, not like cars!"
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:22 |
|
Provided it's registered and permitted, as well as the operator, who must also be insured.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:23 |
|
I'm beginning to think this Dead Reckoning guy may not be arguing honestly.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:24 |
|
No Butt Stuff posted:Provided it's registered and permitted, as well as the operator, who must also be insured.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:27 |
|
steinrokkan posted:I'm beginning to think this Dead Reckoning guy may not be arguing honestly. He never has and he never will.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:27 |
|
Maybe the US needs to go to "rehab" to get over its addiction to slavery.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:28 |
|
Lemming posted:He never has and he never will. What gives you any impression that I don't honestly believe the things I'm posting?
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:29 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:You already need a permit to carry in most jurisdictions, and I would enthusiastically support making them shall issue the way drivers licenses are. Insurance generally doesn't cover intentional acts, so IDK where you're going with that, except as a "ho ho, I've come up with one weird trick to price gun owners out of owning guns, no one has ever thought of this before!" Yes, it is me, the one arguing in an intentionally obtuse manner. (Where I live you can carry concealed without a permit. Even in the state capital.)
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:30 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:You already need a permit to carry in most jurisdictions, and I would enthusiastically support making them shall issue the way drivers licenses are. Insurance generally doesn't cover intentional acts, so IDK where you're going with that, except as a "ho ho, I've come up with one weird trick to price gun owners out of owning guns, no one has ever thought of this before!" The trick is that only a small number of guns would be allowed outside your retarded compound, and even then only with a permit. The rest would be entirely off limits as far as the public space is concerned.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:30 |
|
Rent-A-Cop posted:idgi
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:30 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:What gives you any impression that I don't honestly believe the things I'm posting?
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:30 |
|
twodot posted:This is borderline incoherent to me. Like are you making an argument you'd be fine with people owning guns if there was a government regulation to only make steel bullets? Also things like fraud are not externalities of speech and plagiarism isn't an externality of printers. Fraud isn't a byproduct of people talking, it's its own specific category of speech. The big externality from gun production and sales isn't lead contamination, it's gun violence. Fraud, threats and incitement are types of speech with negative extenalities. A government ban on a specific type of speech--like incitement-- is no different than a ban on a particular type of weapon--like a machine gun.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:31 |
|
Inanimate objects are the same as behavior. Clearly a reasonable and well thought out position. steinrokkan posted:The trick is that only a small number of guns would be allowed outside your retarded compound, and even then only with a permit. The rest would be entirely off limits as far as the public space is concerned. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Oct 4, 2017 |
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:35 |
|
Faustian Bargain posted:He's giving you way too much credit by claiming you don't. He believes his positions because he's an evil idiot, but every argument he's ever made has been disingenuous and in bad faith.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:35 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:Alcoholic beverages have no redeeming social benefit and serious negative externalities, yet people will tie themselves in knots in order to insist that it shouldn't be subject to the same scrutiny as guns. Because it's not actually about some numeric calculation of lives lost. you are legit such a dumb motherfucker actually
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:49 |
|
This. loving. Country. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/10/04/judge-considers-dismissing-joe-arpaio-contempt-case/731525001/ quote:A U.S. District Court judge in Phoenix has accepted the presidential pardon of former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:51 |
|
JeffersonClay posted:The big externality from gun production and sales isn't lead contamination, it's gun violence. quote:Fraud, threats and incitement are types of speech with negative extenalities. A government ban on a specific type of speech--like incitement-- is no different than a ban on a particular type of weapon--like a machine gun.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:54 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:What gives you any impression that I don't honestly believe the things I'm posting? the two choices presented by your posting are 1. you are knowingly engaging in bad faith 2. you are merely heart-stoppingly stupid. remember back when cops turning their body cams off wasn't actually something that happened, because you would have preferred it not to be the case? good times.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:56 |
|
Paracaidas posted:This. loving. Country. This'll probably end up going higher, to be honest.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:56 |
|
twodot posted:Like if a manufacturer of tires is polluting a river, the government doesn't generally forbid tire production, it just makes tire producers pay the cost of cleaning up the river (or the cost of avoiding polluting generally). Again with your lovely metaphors. There are numerous products that are banned in the united states because of the pollution those products cause.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:56 |
|
Crime isn't pollution and is managed in very different ways. HTH. Domestic Amuse posted:Hey Dead Reckoning, what do you think about former felons having their right to own firearms restored? In general, I think that felons should have their rights restored automatically, especially their voting rights, at the end of their sentence/parole. If someone is too dangerous to exercise the rights of an ordinary citizen, they should still be in jail, or at least on supervised release. If their crime was a non-violent one, I don't see why they shouldn't have their firearm rights restored with the rest of their rights. OTOH, if they were a bank robber or other violent felon, I can see not automatically restoring their rights, but I think they should be able to petition the courts for a finding that they have demonstrated that they are no longer a threat to others.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 20:02 |
|
The DDT industry says there are all sorts of legitimate uses for DDT and the government trying to generally forbid it is just a refusal to engage the DDT industry about the comparative values of different freedoms.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 20:02 |
|
I value strangers lives over your guns.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 20:58 |
RuanGacho posted:I value strangers lives over your guns. Same. And I'm saying this as a person who likes guns and going to the range. I'm lucky because I'm active at my local VFW, and the guy who owns the range is a member there, he personally invited me. Going to the range and doing some minor political stuff has kept me engaged with a different side of my community and that's awesome, but I still believe in strict gun control always. Despite probably being one of the people who wouldn't be allowed to own guns, I am okay with that because I believe that human life is more important than my dumb hobby. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Oct 4, 2017 |
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:03 |
|
Sephyr posted:Breaking up gunchat for a spell... por que no los dos dot gif He seems pretty awesome to me policy wise, but I am myself a filthy centrist by Bad Thread standards so that's not as resounding an endorsement as it might otherwise be.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:04 |
|
The gun is powerful. The gun is good. The gun is strength. The gun is right.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:05 |
|
Paracaidas posted:This. loving. Country. I have a problem with the pardon but I don't think I have a problem with this ruling. It's the logical conclusion. I'm not clear on what the last line of the article refers to about considering also vacating other orders in this particular case. He's no longer sheriff, are there any that still are relevant?
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:09 |
|
GreyjoyBastard posted:por que no los dos dot gif You most certainly are, my good chum! Woodfin is actually decent however, and a marked improvement over the incumbent.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:11 |
|
DrNutt posted:So uh, someone creating ads for the Walking Dead Facebook game has some poo poo timing. They didn't, imgur became a pain in the rear end when they hid/removed the bbcode options.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:43 |
|
Dead Reckoning posted:You already need a permit to carry in most jurisdictions, and I would enthusiastically support making them shall issue the way drivers licenses are. Insurance generally doesn't cover intentional acts, so IDK where you're going with that, except as a "ho ho, I've come up with one weird trick to price gun owners out of owning guns, no one has ever thought of this before!" If you made a rule requiring gun owners to have insurance on incidents involving their gun, couldn't the government create a program if the private market doesn't make one?
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 22:03 |
|
lol https://twitter.com/thehill/status/915683974705565696
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 22:07 |
|
|
# ? May 23, 2024 11:20 |
|
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/politics/texas/article/Texas-politicians-receive-thousands-of-dollars-8108659.php quote:Of the current lawmakers from Texas, Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Dallas, has received by far the most money – a staggering $51,650. The next closest Texas representative is Joe Barton, who has been given a mere $31,500 from the NRA. Seventeen other Congress members from Texas have accepted more than $10,000 in NRA donations.
|
# ? Oct 4, 2017 22:12 |