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YA protagonists are overwhelmingly young adults and is usually a central part of its definition so you might be hard pressed to sell a story with adults as a YA. I just think labelling something as YA as a sign of low quality is poor criticism as if most genres aren't dominated by terrible books. A lot of the attraction to YA for readers is similar to Sci-fi/Fantasy in that its a reader's market in perhaps not the best way. Like if you find a niche that's your absolute jam its very easy to find more of the same but its easy to get stuck in the same loops.
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YA books aren't actually read primarily by teenagers, their largest audience is adults from like late 20s to mid 30s.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 04:52 |
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A human heart posted:YA books aren't actually read primarily by teenagers, their largest audience is adults from like late 20s to mid 30s. That seems weird. Then again I know a bunch of 30 something year olds that still play Final Fantasy where you're almost always playing as a 15 year old boy. Nope, they're both weird.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 05:00 |
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:I've always felt YA has primary protagonists that skew younger than 18, and non-YA has primary protagonists that are ostensible adults. That and most YA tends to be bildungsroman type stories, which makes sense if you're marketing your literature at an audience you would expect to try and push concepts on, rather than just entertain. (YMMV, of course. Nothing is absolutely on one side or the other.) This is literally true. For anyone who doesn't know: 50 Shades started out as a Twilight fanfic. Because the original premise of David Wooderson, vampire edition, wasn't creepy enough for some people.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 05:02 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:That seems weird. Then again I know a bunch of 30 something year olds that still play Final Fantasy where you're almost always playing as a 15 year old boy. Nope, they're both weird. its not really weird that a bunch of adults who live in the contemporary world want to retreat into escapism with a heavy focus on 'worldbulding' and simple black and white morality, although it is obviously bad.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 05:10 |
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A human heart posted:YA books aren't actually read primarily by teenagers, their largest audience is adults from like late 20s to mid 30s.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 05:15 |
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Was there ever a weaker defence of a novel than "well it's not that book you like, so obviously you'll say it's bad"?
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 07:25 |
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That wasn't a critique of the book, moron.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 07:30 |
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Corky Romanovsky posted:That wasn't a critique of the book, moron. What are you talking about? I was talking about Ccs's post about Traitor Batu Cormorant. I'm not sure what you're actually trying to accomplish here, really.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:If that's true, it's a very recent development. Source? this study is from 2012: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-industry-news/article/53937-new-study-55-of-ya-books-bought-by-adults.html here's a probably less rigorous thing from the denver public library circa 2014 with higher figures for adults versus young adults: http://www.denverpost.com/2014/06/19/more-adults-than-youths-are-reading-young-adult-fiction/ Corky Romanovsky posted:That wasn't a critique of the book, moron. nice to see people willing to discuss books in the book discussion forum
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 08:44 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:This is literally true. For anyone who doesn't know: 50 Shades started out as a Twilight fanfic. Because the original premise of David Wooderson, vampire edition, wasn't creepy enough for some people. I find the whole 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight thing fascinating because its really representative of a facet of fan culture. It is the same story but through two incredibly different lenses. Meyer is a sincere mormon essentially trying to work through a sex dream through a best selling young adult book. It's all very chaste and weird. 50 Shades is a much more cynical attempt at writing. Sham bam bamina! posted:If that's true, it's a very recent development. Source? Here's a 2012 Atlantic article referencing how adults are reading YA. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/04/what-does-young-adult-mean/329105/ A human heart posted:its not really weird that a bunch of adults who live in the contemporary world want to retreat into escapism with a heavy focus on 'worldbulding' and simple black and white morality, although it is obviously bad. I have a feeling that most readers heavily read inside a relatively narrow genre without straying too far. Fantasy, True Crime, Tom Clancy etc. There is a certain amount of diversity in YA where you have contemporary sitting alongside fantasy and dystopia etc. It's easier to jump between those genres under the YA umbrella because the online community and marketing brings information about them to the same place.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 11:09 |
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Oh by the way, I made this at a suggestion in another thread, and I never posted it here!quote:This Troper's name is Kvothe, pronounced nearly the same as “Quothe.” Names are important as they tell you a great deal about a person. This Troper has had more names than anyone has a right to.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 22:58 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:What are you talking about? I was talking about Ccs's post about Traitor Batu Cormorant. You didn't even critique the book though. You just read a summary and called it drivel out of hand. So I posted a similarly snarky and vapid response. Ccs fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Oct 4, 2017 |
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Ccs posted:You didn't even critique the book though. You just read a summary and called it drivel out of hand. So I posted a similarly snarky and vapid response. the summary makes the book sound bad
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 23:34 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Oh by the way, I made this at a suggestion in another thread, and I never posted it here!
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https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/10/the-name-of-the-wind-10th-anniversary-edition.htmlquote:7. Appendix: The Aturan Calendar
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 00:39 |
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I wonder if adults reading YA is at all similar or related to the Japanese phenomenon of adults playing video games set in high school because it represented the last time in their life where they were truly free to express themselves before being browbeaten by Japanese corporate culture to become a soulless drone.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 00:41 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:I wonder if adults reading YA is at all similar or related to the Japanese phenomenon of adults playing video games set in high school because it represented the last time in their life where they were truly free to express themselves before being browbeaten by Japanese corporate culture to become a soulless drone. I'll thank you to not post my completed therapy homework.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 01:07 |
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“No one writes about economic reality within this genre like Pat Rothfuss. The real-world weight of the sometimes impossible distance between the things you want and need and what you have in your pocket. No one writes about music like Pat Rothfuss. The way it sneaks into your soul, the way it feeds you like nothing else. No one writes about stories like pat Rothfuss. How the right story at the right time can change the world, how the teller can shape a life. No one writes like Pat Rothfuss. Full stop. Read this book.” - Lin-Manuel Miranda' I can see why this MIranda guy is some kind of deity to liberal nerds. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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A human heart posted:the summary makes the book sound bad It's a very clever, very angry book, but that's a godawful summary that makes it sound like some generic YA dystopia.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 10:11 |
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Will the third book ever be written? Or are we going to have another Robert Jordan or GRR Martin on our hands here?
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 13:06 |
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CoolHandMat posted:Will the third book ever be written? Or are we going to have another Robert Jordan or GRR Martin on our hands here? It's in progress. Rothfuss just greatly exaggerated how much was actually done in advance.
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CoolHandMat posted:Will the third book ever be written? Or are we going to have another Robert Jordan or GRR Martin on our hands here? It won't. Rothfuss is having too much fun being a Celebrated Fantasy Author.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 13:45 |
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If it hasn't been finished by now, it won't be published next year. It's absolutely delightful that fans suffer because of it.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:30 |
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ulmont posted:It won't. Rothfuss is having too much fun being a Celebrated Fantasy Author. He seems to be speed running GRRM. We will get the conclusion in a poorly paced TV series.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:44 |
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CoolHandMat posted:Will the third book ever be written? Or are we going to have another Robert Jordan or GRR Martin on our hands here? You should be so lucky that Rothfuss die and an author as talented* as Brandon Sanderson finishes it. *in comparison to Rothfuss
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:57 |
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jivjov posted:It's in progress. Rothfuss just greatly exaggerated how much was actually done in advance. We are past the 10 year anniversary of Rothfuss telling us that book 3 would come out around 2010. quote:April 18, 2007
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:“No one writes about economic reality within this genre like Pat Rothfuss. The real-world weight of the sometimes impossible distance between the things you want and need and what you have in your pocket. no please no
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ulmont posted:We are past the 10 year anniversary of Rothfuss telling us that book 3 would come out around 2010. Don't forget, though, that book 2 being out "2 years from now" turned into 4 years. His assumed question of "why so long?" is extra funny, though, since it's been more than 3 times his estimated time frame now.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 15:55 |
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Maybe it's like Avatar, and he's actually been writing five books that'll be released in rapid succession.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 16:28 |
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Rothfuss doesn't have to worry about the fantasy market forgetting he exists so that's a lot of pressure off of actually having to write in a timely manner.
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vseslav.botkin posted:https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/10/the-name-of-the-wind-10th-anniversary-edition.html It is true, only a master world builder could devise something as elaborate as a calendar.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 23:24 |
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Enter my elaborate fantasy realm where anything is possible and people hate Mondays.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Oh by the way, I made this at a suggestion in another thread, and I never posted it here! I can't believe how loving perfect this is, holy poo poo
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:“No one writes about economic reality within this genre like Pat Rothfuss. The real-world weight of the sometimes impossible distance between the things you want and need and what you have in your pocket.
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Evil Fluffy posted:It is true, only a master world builder could devise something as elaborate as a calendar. He just shuffles a few numbers around. Months are longer, but there's fewer months to a year. Its still nearly equal to our calendar. What's the point? Same thing with the 11-page insert about money. You could replace drabs and talents with GP and it wouldn't change a single thing about the book. I'm fine with shaking up terminology a little for flavor in a story, but that's all this is. Rothfuss ran a couple 'Replace' functions on his draft. Its not epic worldbuilding.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:“No one writes about economic reality within this genre like Pat Rothfuss. The real-world weight of the sometimes impossible distance between the things you want and need and what you have in your pocket. The same cousin who wanted me to read this book is obsessed with Hamilton. He called it, quote, 'the greatest hip-hop album of the decade'. I don't hate Hamilton but I might hate Lin-Manuel Miranda now.
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Eela6 posted:
Miranda is just a huge nerd Lots of arty theater and music nerds love Rothfuss for some reason
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# ? Oct 6, 2017 18:53 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Miranda is just a huge nerd Rothfuss is a master of working the "No, this nerdy poo poo is deep and insightful and philosophical!" angle. Which makes you deep and insightful and philosophical, too, by liking it, and it gets perpetuated by other celebs like Lin giving blurbs like the one above, turning into a giant circle-jerk. Basically catnip for people who can't just enjoy nerdy poo poo and be happy with it for what it is.
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