Death Thread 3rd Edition - All Games Are Bad

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Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

TTerrible posted:

Wrong.

what the

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TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Chill la Chill posted:

what the

Check the fax, grandad.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 02:37

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

please don't troll

# ? Oct 5, 2017 02:40

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

please don't troll

# ? Oct 5, 2017 02:42

SteelMentor: Oct 15, 2012; TOXIC

GW is good now and in that wake other companies are battling it out to become the new Bad.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 02:42

Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

TTerrible posted:

Check the fax, grandad.

I mean you might as well have used a pie chart at this point

# ? Oct 5, 2017 02:45

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

pie charts are very apropos for games workshop, because they are bad

# ? Oct 5, 2017 02:46

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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I think you will find that all games and game companies are bad.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:09

Spiderdrake: May 12, 2001

Is this archon studios kickstarter a scam or what

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:11

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

All of Spartan Games stuff ecept Halo was bought by Wayland Games, so Dystopian Wars-Legions/Firestorm Armada-Planetfall/Uncharted Seas lives again

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:12

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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Spiderdrake posted:

Is this archon studios kickstarter a scam or what

I doubt it's a scam, but it's a big step up for the company. One of the things that puts me off is when they set the target number super low, in this case only $5000 and then have the stretch goals mapped out. That tells me that the stretch goals are the actual target numbers for the kickstarter but they were too nervous to go that high for fear of not getting any funding at all. But they've delivered on past kickstarters apparently so it might end up being fine.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:17

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

NTRabbit posted:

All of Spartan Games stuff ecept Halo was bought by Wayland Games, so Dystopian Wars-Legions/Firestorm Armada-Planetfall/Uncharted Seas lives again

I see you are unfamiliar with Wayland Games.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:20

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Atlas Hugged posted:

I think you will find that all games and game companies are bad.

I dunno man, sometimes I am playing a game and I am like, huh, this experience is enjoyable, because the people who made it were both talented enough to make a good game and were willing to put in the effort required to do so. it's a good experience IMO

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:21

S.J.: May 19, 2008; Just who the hell do you think we are?

NTRabbit posted:

All of Spartan Games stuff ecept Halo was bought by Wayland Games, so Dystopian Wars-Legions/Firestorm Armada-Planetfall/Uncharted Seas lives again

lmao that was a dumb purchase

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:23

Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

I dunno man, sometimes I am playing a game and I am like, huh, this experience is enjoyable, because the people who made it were both talented enough to make a good game and were willing to put in the effort required to do so. it's a good experience IMO

That's how I feel about gmt games and how designers like Carl Paradis (No Retreat) communicate with fans of the games on BGG to help improve the next version.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:24

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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I've played Kings of War recently and it was good.

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TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

please don't troll

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:55

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Atlas Hugged posted:

I've played 8th edition recently and it was good.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 03:56

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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I also played Dropfleet and then another guy liked it and we both bought fleets but he decided to cancel his order and now I have a small fleet and no one else does and I'm sad.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 04:20

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Atlas Hugged posted:

I also played Dropfleet and then another guy liked it and we both bought fleets but he decided to cancel his order and now I have a small fleet and no one else does and I'm sad.

Same, except an Admiral pledge worth.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 04:21

Hamshot: Feb 1, 2006; Fun Shoe

Safety Factor posted:

Nice stealth edit snipe :page2snypa:

# ? Oct 5, 2017 04:22

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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TTerrible posted:

Same, except an Admiral pledge worth.

I'll probably have to buy a second small fleet just so I can run mini games of it.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 04:30

Spiderdrake: May 12, 2001

Atlas Hugged posted:

I doubt it's a scam, but it's a big step up for the company. One of the things that puts me off is when they set the target number super low, in this case only $5000 and then have the stretch goals mapped out. That tells me that the stretch goals are the actual target numbers for the kickstarter but they were too nervous to go that high for fear of not getting any funding at all. But they've delivered on past kickstarters apparently so it might end up being fine.

Yeah shieldwolf did that, again, and canceled their low flying kickstarter again.

The rumor atm is that GW sent them a C&D when, you know, they've done the exact same thing before.

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smug jeebus: Oct 26, 2008

Spartan deserved to fail for putting a map in the Uncharted Seas rulebook. I mean, come on. :colbert:

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Luebbi: Jul 28, 2000

Not a death, but a minor flesh wound: Privateer Press decided to let the community test new model rules for Warmachine before releasing them, using this vast player pool for testing and tweaking. This is cool and good.

However, during the testing process for Cryx, noone either caught or mentioned that these guys are, well, more than a little good now, you know? A very dominant list surfaced shortly after the tested rules were fully implemented into the game. Alongside another, already established powerlist (2 list format is the norm), the faction is now dominant.

How dominant? During the latest World Team Championship, which hosted more than 300 players, Cryx won something like 70% of their games, and had a positive win ratio against EVERY other faction.

Keep in mind that Team Tournaments tend to bring hard counters for specific lists and can have very onesided matchups during pairing. People brought their Cryx silver bullets. It didn't help.

Game balance is hard.

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NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

What does that say about the vast player pool of Warmachine?

# ? Oct 5, 2017 06:27

w00tmonger: Mar 9, 2011; F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

NTRabbit posted:

What does that say about the vast player pool of Warmachine?

Player pool vs tournament pool. They were trying to control years of faction bloat within lists, so they throw a whole bunch of restrictions/bonuses to the wall which made a whole new set of problems.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 06:34

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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To me it reads like the Cryx tournament players stumbled upon a combo in the playtesting and didn't publicize it and then when the rules were made official they went hog wild.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 07:13

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

NTRabbit posted:

What does that say about the vast player pool of Warmachine?

what?

# ? Oct 5, 2017 07:47

Thundercloud: Mar 28, 2010; To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

what?

I think he means numbers not weight.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 08:49

Geisladisk: Sep 15, 2007

xposting from the historicals thread

Geisladisk posted:

I noticed something while setting up my oath shot. Pendraken's 10mm Tigers are way, way too big. In real life, Panzer IVs were just a little shorter than Tigers. The scale is way off, the Tigers are way too big - And this seems to affect all their Tiger variants. Their Tiger II and Jagdtiger are the same giant size.

It hurts. I can't even look at them now without my inner grog trembling in agony.

Pendraken bad :mad:

# ? Oct 5, 2017 10:42

Saalkin: Jun 29, 2008

Luebbi posted:

Not a death, but a minor flesh wound: Privateer Press decided to let the community test new model rules for Warmachine before releasing them, using this vast player pool for testing and tweaking. This is cool and good.

However, during the testing process for Cryx, noone either caught or mentioned that these guys are, well, more than a little good now, you know? A very dominant list surfaced shortly after the tested rules were fully implemented into the game. Alongside another, already established powerlist (2 list format is the norm), the faction is now dominant.

How dominant? During the latest World Team Championship, which hosted more than 300 players, Cryx won something like 70% of their games, and had a positive win ratio against EVERY other faction.

Keep in mind that Team Tournaments tend to bring hard counters for specific lists and can have very onesided matchups during pairing. People brought their Cryx silver bullets. It didn't help.

Game balance is hard.

As a cryx player the problem is with ghost fleet which never went into CID and not dark host.

Dark host is really really good, but has weaknesses. Ghost fleet on the other hand is loving broken as hell and really unfun to play against. Another major problem is Denny who I really would like to see nerfed a bit.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 12:40

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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Deep down I wish I had a complete 2e 40k starter set.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:14

Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

NTRabbit posted:

What does that say about the vast player pool of Warmachine?

They did the same thing in x-wing and the playtesting done with the Jumpmaster. Turns out if you have players dedicated to certain factions or want them to succeed in some way, they have an incentive not to be forthcoming with playtesting data. :v:

# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:33

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Atlas Hugged posted:

Deep down I wish I had a complete 2e 40k starter set.

I've got one, just missing the two marine squads. All orks, terrain and cardboard dread present.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:38

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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TTerrible posted:

I've got one, just missing the two marine squads. All orks, terrain and cardboard dread present.

Do I even want to know what shipping to SEA would be?

# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:44

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Atlas Hugged posted:

Do I even want to know what shipping to SEA would be?

I didn't say it was for sale :smuggo:

If you ever find yourself in London, UK you can play Orks :unsmith:

# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:46

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Chill la Chill posted:

They did the same thing in x-wing and the playtesting done with the Jumpmaster. Turns out if you have players dedicated to certain factions or want them to succeed in some way, they have an incentive not to be forthcoming with playtesting data.

There is no one that invested in Scum, I'm sorry. I've heard the above many times but I think it's a myth. I think the more likely story is that it just wasn't seen during playtesting.

# ? Oct 5, 2017 14:47

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
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TTerrible posted:

I didn't say it was for sale

If you ever find yourself in London, UK you can play Orks

Oh yeah, maybe I will. :colbert:

Assuming you have beer of course. Lots of it. Like, all of it. Cuz I'm going to drink it all.

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Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

Tekopo posted:

There is no one that invested in Scum, I'm sorry. I've heard the above many times but I think it's a myth. I think the more likely story is that it just wasn't seen during playtesting.

I'm pretty invested in scum and that ship has lots of nice painting opportunities. Given the chance I'd have made boba Fett really OP too.

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