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Low costs of personal services? Like...slaves?
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Checking in. Just wanted to say I've been working for a little more than a month and will be back to making GBS threads up the thread with my baby lawyer stuff after I get my bar results in November. Hope everyone is well, especially Slyfrog. E: Earlier today I started to agonize over an email to outside counsel thinking about whether it was written with the exact appropriate tone etc. then I thought of you guys and realized they would be billing time just for reading it. I immediately punched up something transactional and to the point and fired it off. Flutieflakes017 fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Oct 5, 2017 04:01
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Low costs of personal services? Like...slaves? Yeah, what does that mean?
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Oct 5, 2017 04:38
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Tokelau All Star posted:Yeah, what does that mean? I hope it means tailors and poo poo, but yeah, it sounds more like hookers when you put it that way.
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Oct 5, 2017 05:24
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in HK you can hire (via official gov't channels) live-in maids, almost always Indonesians or Filipinos. They work 24/6 (Sundays off) and get 2 weeks off every 2 years to go home and visit their families before renegotiating for a new visa. It costs something absurdly low, like US$500/mo for an all-in-one nanny/chef/maid/gofer.
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Oct 5, 2017 05:33
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Low costs of personal services? Like...slaves? no more of a certain tiny-hatted people overcharging him for various.. services rendered
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Oct 5, 2017 05:51
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JohnnyTreachery posted:in HK you can hire (via official gov't channels) live-in maids, almost always Indonesians or Filipinos. They work 24/6 (Sundays off) and get 2 weeks off every 2 years to go home and visit their families before renegotiating for a new visa. It costs something absurdly low, like US$500/mo for an all-in-one nanny/chef/maid/gofer. Yeah that sounds like a slave to me.
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Oct 5, 2017 12:26
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Before TW comes in and defends slavery because he's from a rich Dubai family or whatever, a digression. I've been asked for a resume from a recruiter. I have no interest in leaving the comfortable bosom of the government, but money. What does a private sector resume for a practicing civil litigator even look like? Does someone have an example/website I can look at?
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Oct 5, 2017 12:30
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Yeah that sounds like a slave to me. Oh, they won't be slaves. They'll work for each other and pay each other money.
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Oct 5, 2017 12:33
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Nice piece of fish posted:Oh, they won't be slaves. They'll work for each other and pay each other money. That sounds like slavery, but with extra steps.
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Oct 5, 2017 14:27
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Well I passed the bar, guess that means I get to be a lawyer or something
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Oct 5, 2017 14:48
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Congrats! (Or not)
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Oct 5, 2017 14:50
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Throatwarbler posted:Thanks guys. The big draw of HK for me is the great food and low cost of stuff like personal services, and the low taxes should make up for most of any differential in pay, but the high cost of stuff like housing and (apparently) the low base pay does make it much less attractive. I was always under the impression that UK at least paid as much as US but eh.
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Oct 5, 2017 15:43
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Ani posted:US firms in the UK pay their UK-qualified lawyers at US rates, but without the extra cost of living adjustments. In Hong Kong I think even the US firms still pay HK-qualified people less (and there's less need for HK-qualified folks than UK-qualified). If you're an American citizen a lot of the low tax benefit is irrelevant though, because of the US's worldwide income tax. I believe even for Americans there is a signficant advantage, something like the first $100k goes in tax free. I'm not an American citizen and that's why I'm interested in Dubai and other places with no income tax.
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Oct 5, 2017 16:34
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Guys should I quit big law (4th year - $235k + $65k bonus) to go work for the local government? ($130k + no bonus)
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Oct 5, 2017 17:06
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Sab0921 posted:Guys should I quit big law (4th year - $235k + $65k bonus) to go work for the local government? ($130k + no bonus) You're transactional, right? I'd probably go in-house. The hours aren't as good as government, but I think there's more room for advancement. Then again, if you just want to get out (wouldn't blame you based on the insane hours you're billing), I'd say go for it.
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Oct 5, 2017 17:19
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Omerta posted:You're transactional, right? I'd probably go in-house. The hours aren't as good as government, but I think there's more room for advancement. It's a unique opportunity that is not really law related - they just want someone with a legal background. Its a Harvey relief/rebuilding opportunity.
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Oct 5, 2017 17:23
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Sab0921 posted:It's a unique opportunity that is not really law related - they just want someone with a legal background. Its a Harvey relief/rebuilding opportunity. So not permanent? And no pension benefits?
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Oct 5, 2017 17:55
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i don't know why everyone in this thread is so down all the time, i'm glad i decided to enter the field of law in the year 2017 https://twitter.com/CrazyForHummus/status/915212342761226242 Valentin fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Oct 5, 2017 20:09
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Throatwarbler posted:I believe even for Americans there is a signficant advantage, something like the first $100k goes in tax free. I'm not an American citizen and that's why I'm interested in Dubai and other places with no income tax. Are you looking to buy slaves in HK?
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Oct 6, 2017 00:21
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Before TW comes in and defends slavery because he's from a rich Dubai family or whatever, a digression. Legal resumes are pretty standard, as far as I've seen. Though that's almost entirely been reviewing law student resumes as they apply for summer jobs. Lateral resumes may vary slightly. Header with name/contact info. First section is education and related crap (where did you undergrad, where did you law school, relevant academic awards or publications or involvement; this is obviously more important for law students applying for gigs than more senior folks). Second section is the reverse-chronological list of jobs you've done. Bullet points under each for relevant experiences, skills, clients, etc. So like: Deputy City Attorney - handled over 600 traffic cases per year - tried 200 cases against pro se litigants - responded to _____type of motions for summary judgment - extensive experience with zoning decisions and appeals, land use decisions, plat applications, blah blah blah - whatever man i don't even know - taco truck permitting decisions and appeals
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Oct 6, 2017 02:38
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Are you looking to buy slaves in HK? Hence Dubai. Don't need to pay your slaves so long as you keep their passports hidden.
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Oct 6, 2017 03:26
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Before TW comes in and defends slavery because he's from a rich Dubai family or whatever, a digression. Don't you loving idiot. Go federal or move to california if you want more money. I can help you get a really evil job here. Edit: no slaves though.
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Oct 6, 2017 03:46
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Im pretty sure I'm about to get fired for being a socialist so....
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Oct 6, 2017 04:07
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nm posted:Don't you loving idiot. I mean, there's some. Just not as many per capita.
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Oct 6, 2017 04:16
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The Dagda posted:I mean, there's some. Just not as many per capita. Not on a state worker salary.
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Oct 6, 2017 05:14
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I think I'm looking to make $180k or so as a fed this year
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Oct 6, 2017 05:33
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I think I'm looking to make $180k or so as a fed this year Are you another patent guy?
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Oct 6, 2017 13:26
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I think I'm looking to make $180k or so as a fed this year are there any hotels overlooking your workplace
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Oct 6, 2017 13:55
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Are you another patent guy? He's THE patent guy.
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Oct 6, 2017 14:46
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I think I'd prefer state or local government because I like this part of the country, but I'm curious as to where you fed guys work, because I hate DC and think it sucks rear end. Am I wrong in assuming you have to be in a large city or state capital for a fed job if you're not in DC?
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Oct 6, 2017 15:26
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Arcturas posted:Legal resumes are pretty standard, as far as I've seen. Though that's almost entirely been reviewing law student resumes as they apply for summer jobs. Lateral resumes may vary slightly. The lateral resume difference is my big concern. I've been licensed 5 years. My prior resume was just "litigation attorney, practice in family law, housing, etc." Bare bones is what my agency required. Do firms for laterals want something more detailed, like what you wrote? Or a one pager?
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Oct 6, 2017 15:53
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:The lateral resume difference is my big concern. I've been licensed 5 years. My prior resume was just "litigation attorney, practice in family law, housing, etc." Bare bones is what my agency required. A lateral resume basically should eliminate any non-law job (nobody cares anymore what you did before/after college) and should focus heavily on your specific experience from your previous work and what specific stuff you've done. Like, you drafted motions, took depos, etc., since some associates have gotten to do things that develop useful skills and some have reviewed documents for four years. Also, the type of cases you've been on, with details if those are public and with generic descriptions (i.e. "large pharmaceutical company") if not.
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Oct 6, 2017 16:05
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:The lateral resume difference is my big concern. I've been licensed 5 years. My prior resume was just "litigation attorney, practice in family law, housing, etc." Bare bones is what my agency required. Unless you have very good things to put into it (after only five years you probably don't), one page is sufficient. I always had good success with this format Name and contact info PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE Firm, LLC Associate, x/x/x to Present • Managed caseload of A-B cases, description of types of cases, in both state and Federal courts • Maybe talk about your budget, people you supervised, or something • Impressive work you did on that one cool case • Loosen up Sandy baby, you're too tight Firm, PC Associate, y/y/y to x/x/x • Managed general practice caseload representing clients in these kinds of case • Researched and drafted motions in complex Federal litigation, including various poo poo, argued various pretrial motions before state and Federal courts in whatever state, and took and defended depositions of clients, witnesses, and opposing parties in civil litigation • Negotiated settlements through formal mediation and other alternative dispute resolution venues, including informal settlement conferences and also did a lot of very hard drinking (unless you founded a startup in your spare time nothing but the real lawyer jobs you had since graduating) EDUCATION Hamburger University | Juris Doctor, May 1982 Honors: Moot Court Board; Dotcom Law Clinic; Diversity Scholarship; Beer Boot Competition Champion Liberty University | Bachelor of Arts, Evolution Denial, June 1998 Emphasis in Diplodocus Riding; Minor in Dance PROFESSIONAL ADMISSIONS AND AFFILIATIONS: • California Bar, Admitted October 2000; Bar Down the Street, Admitted October 1971 • U.S. District Courts for the Eastern, Middle, and Western Districts of California, the Northern and Southern Districts of Mississippi, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, and the United States Supreme Court • Member, Las Vegas Bar Association, Association of Defense Honkers SKILLS AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT: (ONLY IF THERE IS ROOM ON A SINGLE PAGE BECAUSE BLANK SPACE ON A RESUME IS VERY BAD, NOBODY REALLY CARES UNLESS YOU MIGHT BE IN THE SAME GROUP AS THEM OR SOMETHING) • Fluent African Speaker, conversational American • Board of Directors, Heritage Foundation • Advisory Board Member, Taco Truck Ltd. • Part-time Bowling Ball Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Oct 6, 2017 16:18
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Yeah, all of that looks right. I forgot to mention hours and such, but that was in part because if you are government you probably haven't been tracking hours.
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Oct 6, 2017 16:22
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Glambags posted:I think I'd prefer state or local government because I like this part of the country, but I'm curious as to where you fed guys work, because I hate DC and think it sucks rear end. Am I wrong in assuming you have to be in a large city or state capital for a fed job if you're not in DC? TEAPP lets you work from home anywhere in the country so long as there's high speed internet.
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Oct 6, 2017 17:04
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Are you another patent guy? Like HDD91 said. F/K/A Baruch Obamawitz?
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Oct 6, 2017 17:06
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Also, be sure to mention if you're a member of an obscure Jewish sect.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:TEAPP lets you work from home anywhere in the country so long as there's high speed internet. TEAPP expires in December so that's going to be hilarious.
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