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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah people shouldn't do that. But the only person accusing a person of not being black is that black lady at the end. But then you have lily white Lisa Talmadge tell a black person that they need to make a black friend to understand blackness. And it's not just black people saying black twister accounts are bots, it runs the gamut.
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah people shouldn't do that. But the only person accusing a person of not being black is that black lady at the end. "It just made no sense. There was zero blackness, and I'm not referencing Ebonics. I'm referencing blackness." -a white lady
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Oct 5, 2017 18:15
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What twitter account was that white lady referring to when she agreed with her black friend, if a bit tone deafly. Majorian posted:If he's punching left that deliberately, it's a pretty good bet he's a centrist.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:16
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There were a lot of black Bernie bros! And Bernie bros were fabricated by the Clinton campaign and centrists! Wait.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:16
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Nevvy Z posted:"It's ok to erase black people if they are centrists" - someone who is genuinely concerned about PoC Mmmm, no. Calling them out on erasing leftist POCs isn't itself "erasure." Do you need me to define that word for you? It might ease your confusion.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:17
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Majorian posted:Mmmm, no. Calling them out on erasing leftist POCs isn't itself "erasure." Do you need me to define that word for you? It might ease your confusion. You deliberately masking his blackness in your posts to remove his credibility regarding black issues is erasure you dumbshit
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Oct 5, 2017 18:17
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Nevvy Z posted:Nah. You full of poo poo Nevvy Z posted:Well, since it seems to be happening on twitter maybe you should post about it their instead of this performative outrage about what black people say on twitter about KNOWN FAKE twitter accounts. Nevvy Z posted:Maybe you should have quoted just from that that instead of random twitter stuff that no one cares about and didn't show what you claimed it showed. Maybe you should shut up and actually listen to PoC when they tell you about a problem instead of reflexively trying to deny and minimize?
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Cerebral Bore posted:Maybe you should shut up and actually listen to PoC when they tell you about a problem instead of reflexively trying to deny and minimize? Who? I'm listening to the black guy who thought the account was fake. Who am I erasing by saying "maybe that guy knows a thing or two about black people."? Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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literally erasing black voices for saying things they disagree with: It's Okay When It's Centrists Doing It
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"Listen to POC. Unless they are dirty centrists"
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Oct 5, 2017 18:21
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Nevvy Z posted:Who? I'm listening to the black guy who thought the account was fake You're sure as poo poo not listening to the people who are actually experiencing the problem, buddo. That you'd try to use some unrelated dude performing amateur linguistics based on a twitter post as a shield really says it all.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:22
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Nevvy Z posted:You deliberately masking his blackness in your posts to remove his credibility regarding black issues is erasure you dumbshit His race doesn't give him a pass in erasing the opinions of black leftists, you dumbshit.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:22
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Yeah, just because a black person is erasing my race or calling me a bot doesn't make it better.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:23
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Nevvy Z posted:"Listen to POC. Unless they are dirty centrists" it is good to hear I am no longer blocked for the crime of calling you on demanding the deaths of your political opponents, right before calling leftists evil for demanding the deaths of their political opponents
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Oct 5, 2017 18:24
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Cerebral Bore posted:You're sure as poo poo not listening to the people who are actually experiencing the problem, buddo. That you'd try to use some unrelated dude performing amateur linguistics based on a twitter post as a shield really says it all. Who is actually experiencing the problem that I didn't listen to? theCalamity posted:Yeah, just because a black person is erasing my race or calling me a bot doesn't make it better. I agree with this. I disagree that someone saying "I know those couldn't all be real" means they are erasing you individually. Especially when they are talking in the specific context of a known fake. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Oct 5, 2017 18:24
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Nevvy Z posted:Who is actually experiencing the problem that I didn't listen to? Briahna Joy Gray, the black woman who got told by the white woman that she should make black friends to understand what it's like to be black. (also the author of the Current Affairs piece)
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Majorian posted:Briahna Joy Gray, the black woman who got told by the white woman that she should make black friends to understand what it's like to be black. (also the author of the Current Affairs piece) Yeah, that was a pretty rude thing that lady said to her. I'm not sure how I'm failing to listen to her, she's not really part of this conversation.
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Liberals always erasing the 7% of black voters who chose to MAGA. Guess we found the real racists.
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah, that was a pretty rude thing that lady said to her. I'm not sure how I'm failing to listen to her, she's not really part of this conversation. She wrote a whole drat article about how black leftists' voices get silenced by establishment Democrats. You've been ignoring her points this whole conversation because they don't fit into your narrative.
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This whole shebang right here really shows how shallow and opportunistic the typical centrist's commitment to antiracism really is. Somebody brings up a problem that reflects badly on their team and they start falling over themselves to deny that it could possibly be a problem. Note that not a single one of the usual suspects have even tried to engage with the actual substance, i.e. that PoC leftists feel erased, and instead it's all posting about posters, posting about posting, impugning the motives and character of people who brought up the problem and even denying that the PoC who have spoken and written at length on the topic really matter to the conversation. Really says it all.
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Majorian posted:She wrote a whole drat article about how black leftists' voices get silenced by establishment Democrats. You've been ignoring her points this whole conversation because they don't fit into your narrative. Actually I just didn't read it. What thread did you think this was? Cerebral Bore posted:This whole shebang right here really shows how shallow and opportunistic the typical centrist's commitment to antiracism really is. Somebody brings up a problem that reflects badly on their team and they start falling over themselves to deny that it could possibly be a problem. Note that not a single one of the usual suspects have even tried to engage with the actual substance, i.e. that PoC leftists feel erased, and instead it's all posting about posters, posting about posting and impugning the motives and character of people who brought up the problem and even denying that the PoC who have spoken and written at length on the topic really matter to the conversation. This isn't the thread for taking Majorians concerns for twitter leftists seriously, sorry.
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Nevvy Z posted:Actually I just didn't read it. What thread did you think this was? Case in point.
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Nevvy Z posted:Actually I just didn't read it. What thread did you think this was? The designated replacement for the "Dems are a waste" thread. You're doing a magnificent job of proving its predecessor's title to be accurate.
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the important thing is that we all come together and agree with the centrists that the absolute upper limit of what minorities can expect from the Democratic Party is *clap* more *clap* women *clap* guards *clap* asking the democratic party to stand behind civil rights might offend suburban republicans, after all. let's make it clear we don't give a poo poo about abortion rights anymore, that's guaranteed to win us a few of their votes!
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I'm not a dem. I'm just a guy who thinks it's weird to post random twitters to show how woke you are. Like of course some black people support Bernie. Duh. But we know there were Russian bots, and if some black guy overgeneralizes a little and some white lady is a bit insensitive while agreeing with him... meh.
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Nevvy Z posted:I'm not a dem. I'm just a guy who thinks it's weird to post random twitters to show how woke you are. Again, the reason why I brought it up is because erasure of leftist POCs is a pretty pervasive thing, even a year after the election. At this point, you're just plugging your ears and shouting "lalala" because you really don't want to admit that it's a problem. Nevvy Z posted:Like of course some black people support Bernie. Duh. But we know there were Russian bots, and if some black guy overgeneralizes a little and some white lady is a bit insensitive while agreeing with him... meh. A black lady objected to this and wrote a long, very good article about it, and you couldn't even be bothered to read it. Do you really not see why your position is problematic?
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Nevvy Z posted:I'm not a dem. Oh, you're a Republican? Explains a lot about you, to be honest.
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Majorian posted:Do you really not see why your position is problematic? My position takes into account the actual context of those tweets you posted. try it sometime. Cerebral Bore posted:This whole shebang right here really shows how shallow and opportunistic the typical centrist's commitment to antiracism really is. The serious antiracist work being done by quoting random twitters on a dead gay comedy forum. Edit- skimmed the work. People shouldn't overgeneralize. Someone overgeneralized on twitter. It happens. Woopee doo he must be a dirty centrist! Get him! Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Nevvy Z posted:My position takes into account the actual context of those tweets you posted. try it sometime. Except that you blatantly ignored the position of the person of color who complained about her opinion being erased. (and are still doing it) That's a pretty significant part of the context that you're not taking into account.
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Majorian posted:Except that you blatantly ignored the position of the person of color who complained about her opinion being erased. (and are still doing it) That's a pretty significant part of the context that you're not taking into account. What part of her position did I ignore? Please provide a quote from the source if you would like me to consider it, and I will.
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Nevvy Z posted:Edit- skimmed the work. People shouldn't overgeneralize. Someone overgeneralized on twitter. It happens. Woopee doo he must be a dirty centrist! Get him! Watch those goalposts move! "Okay, after arguing about this thing for a page, I will admit it happened, but the real problem is a centrist's feelings got hurt."
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Nevvy Z posted:What part of her position did I ignore? Well, you admitted to ignoring the article she wrote, for starters. Also, your position through this whole discussion has been along the lines of, "Who cares what people write on twitter?" To which my answer has been, "Well, this POC leftist, who wrote this really good piece on it, for starters." So far, I haven't gotten much of an answer from you on this.
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Majorian posted:Well, you admitted to ignoring the article she wrote, for starters. It seems to me he thinks she's just being whiny and it's not actually a problem.
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Majorian posted:Well, you admitted to ignoring the article she wrote, for starters. I read her piece, I still don't care that you found an example of two people on the internet being a bit overbroad in their word choice when discussing an actual fake bernie supporter and I wouldn't call that erasure of people of color. Maybe a woman of color disagrees with me about that. Maybe she's right. You certainly aren't very persuasive about it though. That white lady was definitely dumb as heck, don't get me wrong. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Nevvy Z posted:I read her piece, I still don't care that you found an example of two people on the internet being a bit overbroad in their word choice when discussing an actual fake bernie supporter and I wouldn't call that erasure of people of color. Maybe a woman of color disagrees with me about that. Maybe she's right. You certainly aren't very persuasive about it though. This happens to actual PoC leftists all of the time. I was called a Russian bot and double bro whatever that means. Most of us aren't fake but people keep calling us bots or Bros or just outright ignore us.
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Nevvy Z posted:I read her piece If that were the case, you wouldn't just call it "one" example of "two people on the internet being a bit overbroad in their word choice when discussing an actual fake bernie supporter." There are multiple examples in there of leftist POCs' opinions getting erased. This poo poo is widespread, and you're being pretty ignorant and callous in suggesting that it's not.
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theCalamity posted:This happens to actual PoC leftists all of the time. I was called a Russian bot and double bro whatever that means. Most of us aren't fake but people keep calling us bots or Bros or just outright ignore us. And that sucks and is bullshit. Majorian posted:If that were the case, you wouldn't just call it "one" example of "two people on the internet being a bit overbroad in their word choice when discussing an actual fake bernie supporter." There are multiple examples in there of leftist POCs' opinions getting erased. This poo poo is widespread, and you're being pretty ignorant and callous in suggesting that it's not. I'm only talking about the example you posted guy. Maybe next time you'll virtue signal with better ones.
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