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I think you'll get a lot better discussion on the political stuff in the TFR Vegas thread that's currently going. FWIW I'm opposed to such an expansion of the NFA and don't see how it could even be passed anyways in the current govt environment.
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I'd be opposed because, frankly, a) that's loving stupid and b) does not solve anything. The NFA is already unconstitutional. If people really, truly want to address violence, they need to address the causes (yes, plural "causes") of violence. There is no one-size-fits-all solution for those several problems.
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Let's just amend the Constitution, gently caress it
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M_Gargantua posted:Because it's annoying or because it doesn't go far enough? If you really want one, you can still get one, it just takes $200, paperwork, and waiting. Semi-automatic rifles like AR-15s and AKs are used in something like 2.5% of gun-related crimes. Congratulations, you've saved a few hundred people a year in the absolute best case scenario.
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chitoryu12 posted:Semi-automatic rifles like AR-15s and AKs are used in something like 2.5% of gun-related crimes. Congratulations, you've saved a few hundred people a year in the absolute best case scenario. So an actual number of lives saved? What are they for if not to kill people
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M_Gargantua posted:So an actual number of lives saved? Hunting, target shooting, and the most reliable option for home defense out of every category of firearm.
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chitoryu12 posted:Hunting, target shooting, and the most reliable option for home defense out of every category of firearm. You don't need the 'quickly kill a lot of people' part to do any of those. This is going to break americas brain. Because I want them for fun, but I understand that I can't buy hand grenades just because they're fun. They're not toys, guns were invented and exist for killing.
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You're probably not going to find much agreement in calling to outright ban semi-automatic rifles in 99% of the gun owning community.
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Yeah I know. I don't want to be disallowed from owning them either, but in the same way I want to buy a javelin but understand why Nobody is allowed to buy a javelin. I'm writing an effort post over in the gunchat/copchat thread to keep from making GBS threads up too much. Still got an RPR and a CZ P-10C on my Christmas list for now
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M_Gargantua posted:You don't need the 'quickly kill a lot of people' part to do any of those. What method do you have for banning and confiscating millions of firearms in a cost-effective manner to (in the absolute best case scenario) reduce homicide by 5%? And that is absolute best case scenario, as in 100% of all weapons you ban actually get confiscated and every single crime that will be committed with them isn't committed with something else.
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chitoryu12 posted:What method do you have for banning and confiscating millions of firearms in a cost-effective manner to (in the absolute best case scenario) reduce homicide by 5%? Where are you getting your numbers? Shootings make up the vast majority of homicides in the US. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
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at the date posted:Where are you getting your numbers? Shootings make up the vast majority of homicides in the US. He wanted to get rid of semi-automatic rifles, specifically. Didn't say a word about anything else, just putting semi-autos on the NFA. About 2% of gun deaths and less than 1% of gun injuries are committed with rifles like AR-15s. He's proposing something that, in an absolute best case scenario where everything went perfectly and every single homicide or injury committed with rifles went away instantly, would cause a decrease of 2%. And it wouldn't have even stopped the Vegas shooter, since the weapons were bought legally over a period of multiple years with a large amount of disposable income. He's proposing a decision based on knee-jerk fear, not anything that would actually help.
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at the date posted:Where are you getting your numbers? Shootings make up the vast majority of homicides in the US. Not shootings with semiautomatic rifles. Which, yeah, banning semi-autos is loving ignorance of the highest order and wouldn't do poo poo
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at the date posted:Where are you getting your numbers? Shootings make up the vast majority of homicides in the US. Specifically, per the FBI all rifles accounted for a grand total of 248 homicides in 2014. Self loading rifles will by definition be a subset of that. That's nothing. If you want to save lives, mandate ignition interlocks on all cars instead, and save the 9,967 people killed by DUIs the same year.
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For the record, proposals like this are exactly why a lot of gun owners tend to react to disdain to suggestions for new laws. Practically everything that gets proposed after an incident like this would do little or nothing to prevent such incidents or reduce gun violence across the board, have holes you could fly a 747 through, and/or disproportionately disarm the poor and minorities and make legal self-defense a privilege of wealthy white people.
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I thought this was the cool pictures of guns thread
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gently caress, I can still taste that skunk spray smell in the back of my mouth. That poo poo is potent when fresh.
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You can 3d print an ar15 receiver for a couple of bucks so eventually all this poo poo is gonna be pointless. You want an illegal gun gently caress it print one and buy the critical steel parts you can't from Amazon, that poo poo ain't regulated.
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That being said I'm not saying do nothing, but be smart about what you want to tackle, not just knee jerk at everything.
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Pesticide20 posted:Ban pistols instead I've always said anybody who actually gave a poo poo about saving lives would go after pistols instead of assault weapons.
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The Rat posted:gently caress, I can still taste that skunk spray smell in the back of my mouth. That poo poo is potent when fresh.
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M_Gargantua posted:So out of curiosity, who would be against adding semi automatic rifles to the NFA? Raises uncultured paw.
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Godholio posted:Raises uncultured paw.
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Godholio posted:Raises uncultured paw.
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Godholio posted:Raises uncultured paw.
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Godholio posted:Passed out drunk on the floor in a pile of "But actually..." forum posts
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Honestly, I'm totally cool with some form of gun control laws. Under one condition: The people who write them need to actually know what they are talking about. The current laws make little sense to the point that the ATF has a difficult time labeling some "firearms". Stop caring about what makes the weapon look scary and care more about function and capability. You might actually get some people on board then.
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ASAPI posted:Honestly, I'm totally cool with some form of gun control laws. Under one condition: Ok so it's proven that cheap, easily available handguns are one widely used guns in crimes. The average cost of a pistol is $300-$600 range. How about a tax on manufacturers on each firearm created up an established MSRP $500. So if a pistol costs $25 to make out of pot-metal and compressed kitty litter then the tax would be $475 to be payed by the manufacture before it even leaves the factory. So a well-manufactured pistol made out of quality materials costs $475 then the tax would be $25. The amount payed could be used as a tax right off for the purchaser. I think this could reduce the amount of lovely pistols being made that typically exchange hands off the back of a truck or straw sales. People with too many uses of these tax credits could be tracked.
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Godholio posted:Raises uncultured paw. * I'm not 100% opposed, I'd take overturning the Hughes Amendment (1986 ban) and turning the C&R FFL into some sort of blanket gun collector permit (with an obviously stringent background check) that lets you own pretty much anything in a trade for making semi-auto magazine fed rifles into NFA items. Flying_Crab fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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It's three in the morning, I shouldn't still be awake, but here's a funny gun (yes, that's a third hole):
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Godholio posted:Raises uncultured paw.
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An AR-15 is objectively the best firearm for home defense in the vast majority of cases. It's safer for your neighbors than a pistol or shotgun, easier to use well, better capacity, easy to mount a good light and optic on, etc. Putting semi-auto rifles on the NFA would do little to nothing to stop the crimes committed with them, while also making it more expensive in both time and money for the people who most need them. Not to mention the places where NFA items are banned.
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How is an AR15 "safer for the neighbors" than a shotgun full of bird shot? Someone comes in my door, I want them picking pellets out of their asses.
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LITERALLY SHAKING posted:How is an AR15 "safer for the neighbors" than a shotgun full of bird shot? 1- i think that the general idea is that if you're willing to shoot someone then you need to be willing to kill that person. if you aren't willing to kill that person, then you didn't really feel threatened to the point where deadly force is necessary. 2- shooting someone, whether birdshot or .45-70, is deadly force. idk im sure some lawyer or gun nerd goon will elaborate later.
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LITERALLY SHAKING posted:How is an AR15 "safer for the neighbors" than a shotgun full of bird shot? Neighbors are safe when they dead.
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Bllomberg reporting that NRA is now 'Open for discussion on rapid fire accessories.'
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