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ElCondemn posted:Nazi's in Seattle, apparently a bunch of them are tech workers, who would've guessed 20-something shut-ins would be a bunch of racists?
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ElCondemn posted:Nazi's in Seattle, apparently a bunch of them are tech workers, who would've guessed 20-something shut-ins would be a bunch of racists?
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Oct 5, 2017 05:28
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Thanatosian posted:The real shame here is he's not naming names. I know, right? What I would give to find out where these people work and spilling the beans on their "secret agent" agenda.
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Oct 5, 2017 05:35
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Goddammit do I have to get rid of a white polo shirt I have now....
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Oct 5, 2017 08:23
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It's for the best. Polos were a poo poo look even before Nazis co-opted it.
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Jack2142 posted:Goddammit do I have to get rid of a white polo shirt I have now.... You should anyway so you don't look like a dork.
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Thanatosian posted:Oakland would love a scandal that was just their chief shooting one of his friends. That department is a loving tire fire. Can't be that bad, it's not like a ton of them all had sex with the same minor or something, right?
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Oct 5, 2017 15:30
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ElCondemn posted:Nazi's in Seattle, apparently a bunch of them are tech workers, who would've guessed 20-something shut-ins would be a bunch of racists?
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Oct 5, 2017 16:08
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ElCondemn posted:Nazi's in Seattle, apparently a bunch of them are tech workers, who would've guessed 20-something shut-ins would be a bunch of racists? CNBC says there are 250K tech workers in Washington, and 90% in king county (seattle) and with a metro population of 3.8million that means that 6% of the population are tech workers. So in short I'm not surprised, but there is likely no correlation between tech and nazis.
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Oct 5, 2017 16:41
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Oscar Wild posted:CNBC says there are 250K tech workers in Washington, and 90% in king county (seattle) and with a metro population of 3.8million that means that 6% of the population are tech workers. So in short I'm not surprised, but there is likely no correlation between tech and nazis. That 250k number seems low? Maybe programmers only? Just thinking about the spread between amazon, microsoft, google, facebook, and then the smattering of smaller companies like F5 and companies like Nordstrom that have 1200+ in the IT org.
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silicone thrills posted:That 250k number seems low? Maybe programmers only? Just thinking about the spread between amazon, microsoft, google, facebook, and then the smattering of smaller companies like F5 and companies like Nordstrom that have 1200+ in the IT org. I got it from a march 2017 CNBC article which refers to Washington Technology Industry Association. My dumbass point is that tech is a largish subset of those employed in the Seattle area and so their proportionally large participation in a dumbass movement should be expected. Because of that, the article is just a dog whistle against tech bros. Not saying tech bros aren't awful, but you can't connect the dots between the Nazi movement and tech workers.
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Oct 5, 2017 16:50
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Steve Jorbs posted:The author makes mention of the, "Macklemore," haircut being coopted by Nazis when that fade style and several variations have long been known as the Hitler Youth cut. Yeah, don't expect anyone writing for the Stranger to have any concept of history. If it's the first time they're seen it, it's the first time it's ever been seen. Oscar Wild posted:I got it from a march 2017 CNBC article which refers to Washington Technology Industry Association. Also note how the author never actually speaks to anyone in the tech industry, even though there are a ton of them around. That's pretty loving lazy if you're going to continually make that sort of connection.
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Oct 5, 2017 17:01
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It'd be like saying a lot of Nazis in the Detroit area work in the automotive industry.
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#notalltechbros
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Regardless of the tech bit - the white dudes getting into managerial positions and loving minorities out of jobs definitely seems like a real thing that is happening. On the flip side, in the tech industry, every single position i've posted and gotten resumes for has been 100% white dudes applying so it is really loving hard to parse when this is really happening in a malicious manner in my industry. I'd imagine in other industries this would be far more pronounced. On the cool side, as a woman who applies for jobs in tech - get interviews lickity split. But i'm also white with a super white name. Like suuuuuuuper white. whitey white white.  I'm so drat paranoid about being part of the problem now, gently caress.
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I know a Black woman who has worked for Microsoft for 3 years and said all the women PoC in her hiring cohort have pretty much all been weeded out, and that she continually feels like her own work isn't taken seriously, despite working like 60-70 hour workweeks on a regular basis. I wouldn't be too surprised if one of those assholes is in the chain of command above her.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:44
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Mr. Lobe posted:I know a Black woman who has worked for Microsoft for 3 years and said all the women PoC in her hiring cohort have pretty much all been weeded out, and that she continually feels like her own work isn't taken seriously, despite working like 60-70 hour workweeks on a regular basis. I wouldn't be too surprised if one of those assholes is in the chain of command above her.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:#notalltechbros I know this is supposed to be a "funny" shitpost and all, but you're missing the point completely. This isn't about "not all tech bros" but rather "this poo poo happens everywhere, claiming it's a techbro only problem erases every other place it occurs." You can't think that this wasn't/isn't an issue in any of the other major employer in the PNW, right?
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Oct 5, 2017 18:49
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Because its "Techbros" that means it isn't honest true Cascadians who are attending the secret nazi meetings.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:54
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Jack2142 posted:Because its "Techbros" that means it isn't honest true Cascadians who are attending the secret nazi meetings. That's a really good point.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I know a Black woman who has worked for Microsoft for 3 years and said all the women PoC in her hiring cohort have pretty much all been weeded out, and that she continually feels like her own work isn't taken seriously, despite working like 60-70 hour workweeks on a regular basis. I wouldn't be too surprised if one of those assholes is in the chain of command above her. That's something that I will honestly say is a good thing about Boeing: everyone gets their work considered and addressed as valid. Can't be anything to do with the existence of labor unions for the majority of the workforce, no way.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I know a Black woman who has worked for Microsoft for 3 years and said all the women PoC in her hiring cohort have pretty much all been weeded out, and that she continually feels like her own work isn't taken seriously, despite working like 60-70 hour workweeks on a regular basis. I wouldn't be too surprised if one of those assholes is in the chain of command above her. I've only ever worked fast food/service and tech so I'm not sure if my experience is similar across all industries or not, but in tech there are definitely a lot of bigots. The director of operations at my last job used to "joke" that I was born in a bean field... Also I've heard people say hosed up poo poo about all types of minorities, around here it's a lot of stuff about Asians and Indians as opposed to Blacks and Hispanics (though I've heard that too).
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Solkanar512 posted:I know this is supposed to be a "funny" shitpost and all, but you're missing the point completely.
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Oddly that's the opposite of my experience in tech, where I've found things pretty egalitarian as far as race is concerned (there's a huge gender problem, obviously). Lots of Indians, Hispanics, and Asians in management and architect roles though African-Americans definitely feel underrepresented, even for Seattle. Contrast with the lily white complexion of the business side of things. The former head of hiring at my girlfriend's company that does business consulting apparently used to throw out resumes if he couldn't read/pronounce the name.
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Eggnogium posted:Oddly that's the opposite of my experience in tech, where I've found things pretty egalitarian as far as race is concerned (there's a huge gender problem, obviously). Lots of Indians, Hispanics, and Asians in management and architect roles though African-Americans definitely feel underrepresented, even for Seattle. Contrast with the lily white complexion of the business side of things. The former head of hiring at my girlfriend's company that does business consulting apparently used to throw out resumes if he couldn't read/pronounce the name. Your experience is rooted in your own personal biases, you don't notice the problems because you're not affected by it and/or it doesn't matter to you. The fact is that minorities are vastly underrepresented in tech, the token minority in a key role every now and then doesn't mean it's egalitarian in the least.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Erasure is definately the problem here. Look man, if you honestly believe that racism is a unique problem within the tech industry that doesn't exist elsewhere then come out and say it.
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Solkanar512 posted:Look man, if you honestly believe that racism is a unique problem within the tech industry that doesn't exist elsewhere then come out and say it. What if the erasure is this though: Jack2142 posted:Because its "Techbros" that means it isn't honest true Cascadians who are attending the secret nazi meetings. what then, mssr swamp king
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Solkanar512 posted:Look man, if you honestly believe that racism is a unique problem within the tech industry that doesn't exist elsewhere then come out and say it. I don't see how that couldn't be the case, the tech industry is filled with young white males, the largest demographic of racists also happens to be young white males.
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Jack2142 posted:Because its "Techbros" that means it isn't honest true Cascadians who are attending the secret nazi meetings.
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Oct 5, 2017 19:40
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Steve Jorbs posted:The article specifically names True Cascadia as being part of the vetting process though! It's Cultural Appropriation. Although that article does answer the question of the poster the other week about wtf those True Cascadia posters were about, as guessed Nazi's!
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Oct 5, 2017 19:43
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Jack2142 posted:It's Cultural Appropriation. I figured they were, mostly I was just wondering if peeps had more information about them. The poster was hilariously stupid.
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Adlai Stevenson posted:What if the erasure is this though: Then Teabag can clarify. ElCondemn posted:I don't see how that couldn't be the case, the tech industry is filled with young white males, the largest demographic of racists also happens to be young white males. Yes, this is pretty obvious.
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HEY NONG MAN posted:That's something that I will honestly say is a good thing about Boeing: everyone gets their work considered and addressed as valid. Can't be anything to do with the existence of labor unions for the majority of the workforce, no way. 85% of Boeing execs are old white males, though.
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Crossposted from the antifa thread:apokaladle posted:https://twitter.com/techworkersco/status/915969214522867712
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Seriously though, if you guys ever formed a computer toucher's union, you'd be incredibly powerful.
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Can I wield the union's power to oppress women and minorities?
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anthonypants posted:Certainly not any of these "journalists" who feel the need need to keep doing biographies and interviews of avowed nazis. i don't think an article like this serves as the kind of publicity nazis want. i do have a problem with the kind of journalism like what comes from the new york times that carefully avoids any sort of moral judgment. this one doesn't shy away from how awful, but also unbearably tedious modern nazis are, though Solkanar512 posted:Look man, if you honestly believe that racism is a unique problem within the tech industry that doesn't exist elsewhere then come out and say it. you're the one who whined about the article being too mean to tech workers in the first place. when people roll their eyes at you, they're rolling their eyes at your immediate impulsive desire to defend a multibillion dollar industry
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