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muscles like this! posted:They need to do the cartoon Teen Titans thing and break up the robot parts with human sections. He doesn't look so much like a "cyborg" instead he just looks like a robot. Yeah, his original design is much clearer (and would probably be a lot easier to make in a movie).  I mean, just give him some pants and you're good.
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Something like George from Metal Gear Rising would be cool still mostly robot, but enough human left that you don't end up with a Green Lantern style human face floating in CGI mess
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I believe that fully cyborg dudes still have their dicks, only they keep em separately in vats of preserving fluid, because otherwise they'd be severely emasculated and lack any purpose.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I believe that fully cyborg dudes still have their dicks, only they keep em separately in vats of preserving fluid, because otherwise they'd be severely emasculated and lack any purpose. gently caress that, I want a 12" glistening robot dick (inside me).
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Oct 6, 2017 02:39
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The cartoon version of Cyborg just has half his face as the clearly human part. Teen Titans Go went further and his head can detach and walk around separate from it (although his insides apparently has human organs in them, but TTG is not really a cartoon that cares about canon and logic).
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At least the robot part of his body had a cleaner and easier to read design.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Yeah, his original design is much clearer (and would probably be a lot easier to make in a movie). Clearer and easier aren't better, though. Guy Goodbody posted:Something like George from Metal Gear Rising would be cool This is closer to a sane design choice, but it still doesn't capture the essence of Cyborg as a tragic, un-human figure. That comic book and metal gear concept art is designed around the perspective of a 'regular person' triumphing over their superficial robotic elements. The Cyborg of the films is the result of a horribly misguided Frankenstein experiment.   The frame of reference is not of the 'real person' triumphing over the machine. It's like Doctor Manhattan, the machine has utterly consumed and trapped the person, their memories persist only as a ghost to a completely new, horrifically naked figure.    
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Dillbag posted:gently caress that, I want a 12" glistening robot dick (inside me). Search your feelings, and you'll find the giant robo-dick was within you all along.
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Oct 6, 2017 03:26
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K. Waste posted:Clearer and easier aren't better, though. Thanks Michael Bay. edit: also replace Cyborg with an Adrian Barbeau-bot and you have my full support.
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I'm the Adobe Media Encoder timecode burn with bg opacity set to around 40%
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K. Waste posted:The frame of reference is not of the 'real person' triumphing over the machine. It's like Doctor Manhattan, the machine has utterly consumed and trapped the person, their memories persist only as a ghost to a completely new, horrifically naked figure. come on now, we both know there's a much better frame of reference for this: 
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Yep, he's black Robocop, and his dad is Dr. Miles Dyson (also, possibly, Martian Manhunter).
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DC Murderverse posted:come on now, we both know there's a much better frame of reference for this: And the only cool thing about the remake (that's not scene 27): 
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DC Murderverse posted:come on now, we both know there's a much better frame of reference for this: HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yep, he's black Robocop, and his dad is Dr. Miles Dyson (also, possibly, Martian Manhunter). Dillbag posted:And the only cool thing about the remake (that's not scene 27): Cosmetically there is a significant resemblance, especially to the '14 film, but it's important to remember context. Cyborg was not 'built,' he's the result of an ancient alien cube imprinting itself upon a human subject. The connection to RoboCop is there because RoboCop itself is also a Frankenstein story, but thematically Cyborg's origins are still closer to Dr. Manhattan as this spontaneous being that makes itself. In less oppressive terms, there's also the thematic connection between Cyborg and Green Lantern/Ultraman, where an alien being transfers itself to/symbolically mates with a human subject.
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K. Waste posted:Cosmetically there is a significant resemblance, especially to the '14 film, but it's important to remember context. Cyborg was not 'built,' he's the result of an ancient alien cube imprinting itself upon a human subject. Hence Dr. Miles Dyson. The alien world in this case is literally just a future Earth and a bad ending for humanity, as seen in MOS and BVS.
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K. Waste posted:Cosmetically there is a significant resemblance, especially to the '14 film, but it's important to remember context. Cyborg was not 'built,' he's the result of an ancient alien cube imprinting itself upon a human subject. The connection to RoboCop is there because RoboCop itself is also a Frankenstein story, but thematically Cyborg's origins are still closer to Dr. Manhattan as this spontaneous being that makes itself. In less oppressive terms, there's also the thematic connection between Cyborg and Green Lantern/Ultraman, where an alien being transfers itself to/symbolically mates with a human subject. I thought Cyborg's origin actually was more similar to Robocop - he was in an accident and his father tried to save him. When did the alien cube stuff happen?
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I thought Cyborg's origin actually was more similar to Robocop - he was in an accident and his father tried to save him. When did the alien cube stuff happen? That's the movie version. It was shown in one of the videos Batman found in Lex's computer.
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[quote="“CopywrightMMXI”" post="“477110981”"] I thought Cyborg’s origin actually was more similar to Robocop - he was in an accident and his father tried to save him. When did the alien cube stuff happen? [/quote] New 52, which we've seen in BvS is the route they're going for him.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Hence Dr. Miles Dyson. The alien world in this case is literally just a future Earth and a bad ending for humanity, as seen in MOS and BVS. Right, and so in the Justice League trailers, Cyborg's appearance is clarified in that he looks like one of the para-demons:    This was a good'n
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K. Waste posted:Right, and so in the Justice League trailers, Cyborg's appearance is clarified in that he looks like one of the para-demons: Oh that's pretty creepy.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yep, he's black Robocop, and his dad is Dr. Miles Dyson (also, possibly, Martian Manhunter). Dr. Dyson, who purposely made his human son into a machine; not to be confused with Dr. Daystrom, who accidentally made his machine human.
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K. Waste posted:Right, and so in the Justice League trailers, Cyborg's appearance is clarified in that he looks like one of the para-demons: I still love, btw, that the entire explanation of parademons, Darkseid, etc are totally implied by the designs.
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Aphrodite posted:New 52, which we've seen in BvS is the route they're going for him. I'm a post-Crisis on Infinite Earth guy living in a new 52 world.
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what does the "all in" tagline of the justice league posters mean
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 The original: 
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K. Waste posted:Right, and so in the Justice League trailers, Cyborg's appearance is clarified in that he looks like one of the para-demons: Oh wow, great catch. That's really nice.
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Brought to you by Bacardi.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I still love, btw, that the entire explanation of parademons, Darkseid, etc are totally implied by the designs. I've not been keeping up with Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Justice League is not a Marvel movie.
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K. Waste posted:horrifically naked Your explanation is pretty good. That phrasing, though - How can someone be horrifically naked? Is it, like, involuntary nudism or something?
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Boosh! posted:Brought to you by Bacardi. Hahaha holy poo poo.
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And More posted:Your explanation is pretty good. That phrasing, though - How can someone be horrifically naked? I'm sure there's a goon pic thread for that.
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And More posted:Your explanation is pretty good. That phrasing, though - How can someone be horrifically naked? Is it, like, involuntary nudism or something? The horror comes from the realization of Cyborg as a being who is simultaneously the most 'covered' of the characters, while also not wearing any clothing. We've seen bits and pieces from the trailers of Victor Stone and Cyborg being in states of dress, but for the most part, once Cyborg replaces Stone, he is always portrayed in a state of undress. We should also perhaps make a critical distinction between "nakedness" and "nudity"/"undress." To quote John Berger, "To be naked is to be oneself. To be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognised for oneself." In other words, nakedness is the recognition of oneself or another subject without clothing; whereas nudity, while a state of undress, also assumes the quality of dress, to present and exhibit oneself to or for another person's comfort or pleasure. So when we're talking about Cyborg, we are talking about a figure for whom this line between nakedness (his "true self") and nudity (a state of undress for the benefit of an observer) is in constant contradiction. When he takes off his hoodie or threadbare disguise, we must conclude that he is naked. And, yet, this nakedness itself is conveyed in harshly confining and even castrating terms. In one sense, his realization as naked but without threatening or shameful genitals is done for us. On the other hand, we are now hyper-fixated upon how tragic this being's existence must be, that while he can be nude, he can perhaps never truly be naked, in the sense that he can enjoy his 'true self.' His true self is exactly the same as this projected image. He can not go home to a private quarter and recuperate from the stress of monitoring his appearance. And because he lacks genitals, he perhaps sees himself as no longer being a 'real man.' You may be starting to notice a pattern here: that Cyborg's crisis - his horrific nakedness - persistently alludes to a crisis of masculinity with which black men are disproportionately burdened in a white supremacist, patriarchal society. Cyborg is this brutal black buck, but, for our comfort, he has no genitals. In the context of Justice League, however, this horrific and tragic imagery is imbued with black comedy: the castrated black buck now gets to team up with a dominatrix, a repressed homosexual, a gimp, and a seaman.
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source your quotes
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hexwren posted:source your quotes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GI8mNU5Sg&t=252s
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K. Waste posted:Right, and so in the Justice League trailers, Cyborg's appearance is clarified in that he looks like one of the para-demons: The resemblance is uncanny! 
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K. Waste posted:So when we're talking about Cyborg, we are talking about a figure for whom this line between nakedness (his "true self") and nudity (a state of undress for the benefit of an observer) is in constant contradiction. So, it's actually horrifying nudity? I also think there is a bit of a contradiction in your definition of nude. A nude painting is exhibiting someone else for the gratification of the spectator. Exhibiting the own body, however, is a sign of power. Being able to look the way you want is empowering, while being merely naked seems to imply vulnerability. I guess I have to source my weird quotes, too. Foucault says: "Mastery and awareness of one's own body can be acquired only through the effect of an investment of power in the body: gymnastics, exercises, muscle-building, nudism, glorification of the body beautiful." Also, I can kind of see Cyborg being "castrated" to be socially acceptable, but I doubt the film is gonna discuss the absence of his dingus.
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Mr. Squishy posted:I've not been keeping up with Parademons, the Mother Box, Apokalips and Darkseid have all been referred to or made appearances with no explanation whatsoever, yet they are all easily recognizable concepts. Parademons are introduced in BVS as an alien locust police force, swarming on Batman when human crack troops can't get the job done. The coloration and design also resembles the armored Batman that appears later in the film. They are a logical extrapolation of the paranoid fascist vigilante. The Mother Box has one appearance in the theatrical and another in the Communion cut scene as a sort of Lament Configuration type deal. You talk to it/interface with it, and it gives you what you want. Lex also refers to the sound it makes, "a bell that can't be unrung". Apokalips is the blasted future earth marked with the Omega symbol from the Knightmare, as well as the carpet of skulls that Superman sees in MOS. Darkseid likewise doesn't need a Thanos credits scene. Superman is introduced by Lex and Batman as a star falling from heaven. Batman takes Superman to be antilibertarian antichrist. Lex however spins this into a fully Satancentric worldview with the painting in his study that reverses the iconography into hell above/heaven below type stuff. His goal, more explicit in the director's cut but implied in the theatrical is to join Satan's kingdom by offering him the earth. The character "Darkseid" is never referred to or named, but the second coming of Superman in JL is implied to be a confrontation with Satan on the day of revelation.
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