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Icon Of Sin posted:I've had some fun with this: What is the bonus to having 2 hyperwave comm scanners? I thought comm relay was only 1 evade token at a time?
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canyoneer posted:A-Wings are just too expensive without that -2 from the refit in the rocket slot. Proton Rockets are effectively +5 points on A-Wings, which is a pretty lousy deal on all but aces that are already expensive. Yeah I guess the only way to play them is to put on autothrusters and juke and just chip away.
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Some Numbers posted:Presented without additional comment: Cloaked Phantom, R3 obstructed?
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Oct 6, 2017 00:54
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canyoneer posted:Cloaked Phantom, R3 obstructed? Correct!
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Some Numbers posted:Correct! Excellent. Death to all all cloaking tie scum
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My worst was having an interceptor, Range 3, obstructed, stealth device and autothrusters, meaning I threw those six greens plus could turn one blank to an evade.... and rolling six eyeballs. With no focus, of course.
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Cobaltshift posted:What is the bonus to having 2 hyperwave comm scanners? I thought comm relay was only 1 evade token at a time? Realistically you could drop 1, but a 2-point bid at PS6 (max) just seems out of place. I haven't revised this with some of the newer wave stuff that's come out, so there may be more shenanigans lurking out there yet. The Hyperwave Comm Scanners have done more for me playing First Order, with something like this: Exp2 (100) •Lieutenant Dormitz (39) - Upsilon-class Shuttle Sensor Jammer (4), •Kylo Ren (3), Hyperwave Comm Scanner (1) •"Quickdraw" (31) - TIE/SF Fighter Collision Detector (0), Hyperwave Comm Scanner (1), Special Ops Training (0), Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1) •"Backdraft" (30) - TIE/SF Fighter Veteran Instincts (1), Collision Detector (0), Hyperwave Comm Scanner (1), Special Ops Training (0), Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1) Deploy everyone at PS12? Check Double stack focus on one of the TIE/SF? Check Guarantee a first-round engagement with Backdraft and Quickdraw via extended deployment area (courtesy lieutenant Dormitz)? Check Show people The Dark Side with Backdraft's auto-crit from his back arc? Check
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Frankly I'd drop the Sensor Jammer for Fire Control System on Backdraft. Put Collision Detector on Dormitz instead. Then add Rage/Electronic Baffle on Quickdraw. I normally don't like that version of QD, but on this list, it'd be hilarious. I'd also consider dropping both TIE Mk II modifications in favor of lightweight frame on one of the TIEs, or pattern analyzer on Dormitz (yes, it's really loving awesome to STOP and still get your Kylo off.
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ConfusedUs posted:I also flew this without realizing it was 101 points. Ditch the prockets for intensity on Vader. Played with Nym for the first time last night. He sure gets work done. Played him with Fenn and an ion cannon scyk. List has decent legs, slow play with ion carrier, he's pretty good at range 3 pinging scurgs and kwings. Ready for guns for hire to land.
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I assume B-Wings aren't exactly a meta-choice, but has anyone experience with E2 B-Wings that use crew for extra survivability? How do C-3PO, Jan Ors or Chewbacca work out for them?
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Hannibal Rex posted:I assume B-Wings aren't exactly a meta-choice, but has anyone experience with E2 B-Wings that use crew for extra survivability? How do C-3PO, Jan Ors or Chewbacca work out for them? Rarely worth it. 3PO would be viable if the BWing had a better dial or a large base, and could one of those to ensure bumps to reduce the number of incoming shots. But it doesn't. Jan is most effective if you can stack her evade and other tokens all on a single ship, so you kinda have to build around her. Not worth it to try to keep a B-Wing alive, but I've seen it work on Biggs and some aces. Chewwy is just too expensive.
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hoiyes posted:Ditch the prockets for intensity on Vader. But I really love prockets Inquisitor! It's the one thing that keeps people from dive-bombing him into oblivion. (You're probably right) Nym + Fenn + Something is pretty good. I've been testing Cruise Missile N'Dru, but an ion cannon Syck is probably a better idea to help control Fenn's big weakness: other bomb carriers.
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ConfusedUs posted:Frankly I'd drop the Sensor Jammer for Fire Control System on Backdraft. Put Collision Detector on Dormitz instead. I like where this is going. We'll see how it works next week!
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Icon Of Sin posted:I like where this is going. We'll see how it works next week! Let me know how it goes. The epic version of this list (Dormitz + as many Deadeye/Assault Missile/Chips TIE/sf generics as you can fit, all with Hyperwave) is straight up broken.
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The only crew id use on a bwing in this meta is Hera on a fcs bwing.
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I like using Ezra on Keyan Farlander. 
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oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...
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Some Numbers posted:Wow, I'm realizing that Intensity might just be better than PtL on Jake. That's actually fantastic. The real issue with it is it either costs you PS9 or the ability to get focus/tl in a single turn, both of which are HUGE costs.
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thespaceinvader posted:The real issue with it is it either costs you PS9 or the ability to get focus/tl in a single turn, both of which are HUGE costs. Yeah, but you can Boost and Barrel Roll and get 2 Focus! Or Boost or Barrel Roll and get a Focus and an Evade!
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thespaceinvader posted:The real issue with it is it either costs you PS9 or the ability to get focus/tl in a single turn, both of which are HUGE costs. But you can take 4 actions (BR/Boost/Focus/Evade) in one turn and not end up stressed, which is neat.
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enigmahfc posted:But you can take 4 actions (BR/Boost/Focus/Evade) in one turn and not end up stressed, which is neat. Only at PS7 tho Which sucks.
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thespaceinvader posted:Only at PS7 tho What? No, you can get four actions with VI and Intensity. Focus->Boost->Intensity Focus->Barrel Roll.
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thespaceinvader posted:Only at PS7 tho It's expensive, but you're just forgetting that the A-Wing Test Pilot title gives you another EPT slot.
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You can only get four actions one of which is evade (or TL), if you use Intensity PTL. You can get four actions which are focus focus boost barrel roll with VI Intensity, but you can't get TL or Evade into the bargain. Intensity, VI, and PTL are Jake's 3 best EPTs, but Intensity is probably the least useful of the three at the moment. If at some point the PS war stops enough for 7 to be a useful number, Intensity PTL will be great.
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thespaceinvader posted:You can only get four actions one of which is evade (or TL), if you use Intensity PTL. - Do a focus - Perform a barrel roll/boost - Get a focus from Intensity - Perform a barrel roll/boost (whichever you didn't do before) - PtL off the barrel roll/boost, and perform Evade/TL.
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quote:Horton Salm (25) How likely is this to work? I really enjoyed this Horton build paired with Rey for how easily he can chew through tokens, but I'm not sure if I can keep him alive long enough to make his points back. I figured Biggs and Rex might give him some time to work with.
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Tekopo posted:I'm pretty sure with PtL/Intensity you can get more than 4 actions: But only at PS7. Like I said, Jake now has 3 EPTs he adores, and whichever 2 he picks, there's always something he could do better with the third.
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I just played a semifinal game in a store's tourney and after a winning streak with Dengar/Nym, it seems like my luck ran out completely. I mean, I dropped a bomblet four times on at least two ships and didn't do any damage at all. And of course, my opponent did five damage with Fenn in turn three. How do you rebound after being hosed by dice for the first time?
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thespaceinvader posted:Yup. That means they've designed something well.  Side-grade options for list diversity are always welcome.
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:That means they've designed something well. Well, now it just need to be playable to be regarded as well designed.
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Talas posted:I just played a semifinal game in a store's tourney and after a winning streak with Dengar/Nym, it seems like my luck ran out completely. I mean, I dropped a bomblet four times on at least two ships and didn't do any damage at all. And of course, my opponent did five damage with Fenn in turn three. It's a dice game it happens. However good play and prep will go a long way to help counteract bad dice. I finally had time to get a few games this weekend after about a month away. In one game my dice were horrid, but I kept moving my ships in a way that my opponent could not focus on the same target for more than one turn. I was flying Nym, Ndru and a scout against 2 mangler sycks a cruise missile z95 and Fenn. I lost my scout and Ndru just as I got Fenn to one hull. It was pretty much the only damage I had been able to do that game. Eventually the dice will turn and good flying will hopefully give you the time needed for that. In the end I was able to put on a Nym masterclass and won with one hull left. If I had given up early I would have surely lost. Always play like you have a chance at winning.
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Raged posted:In the end I was able to put on a Nym masterclass and won with one hull left. If I had given up early I would have surely lost. Always play like you have a chance at winning. Anyway, that's the fickle finger of fate. Thanks, man!
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 gently caress this thing has been a bear to get done but it's done so screw it. IN time for UKTC next weekend, anyone going?
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Looks like Y-Wing reprints are starting to show up in stores. My FLGS had 5 earlier today.
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LanceKing2200 posted:Looks like Y-Wing reprints are starting to show up in stores. My FLGS had 5 earlier today. FFFFFFFFFinally! Been hankering for some Y's for a while now.
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I'm growing tired of tank Rey + Ghost, and wanted to give something Imperial a shot. Some months back I was experimenting with Vader + Whisper + Bomber shuttle with Kylo. Whisper is completely non-viable right now, but turns out that ion is a really good answer to bomb bullshit. So I dropped Whisper and added TIE/D Vessery. https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...%2FWhisper&obs= There are six points left there for your choice of EPTs. If you go with the cheap options, you can put a cruise missile or proton rockets on Vader. I like VI, Lone Wolf, or Intensity on Vader. VI gets him above nearly everyone. Lone Wolf makes him much harder to kill (it's great against TLTs). Intensity is good to increase your action economy: you still get focus or evade even if you have to reposition. I like VI, A Score to Settle, or Expertise on Vessery. VI gets him even with Miranda and ahead of Dash. A Score to Settle helps proc Kylo against a key target, and Expertise gives him perfect offensive mods, plus he can still keep the focus for defense. Against Miranda or Nym, I aim to give them the PS0 crit ASAP. This prevents most of their arc-dodging and bomblet shenanigans, especially Nym. Just watch out for Action: bombs with Miranda. Against most other meta ships, I aim to give them Blinded Pilots. Ion cannon on Vessery is a nightmare for Miranda and Nym: if you tag them once, they're going slow, until they die. I haven't decided which combination I like best, but early testing with double VI + Cruise Missiles is promising.
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What kind of bid do you try for with ps11 Vader? I guess it's mostly just Han, Quickdraw and other Vader's at 11
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canyonero posted:What kind of bid do you try for with ps11 Vader? I guess it's mostly just Han, Quickdraw and other Vader's at 11 Occasional Dengars too. Running VI Dengar VI Nym I've mostly found it's more useful to fill all the points. I won't be for UKTC for the sake of the team bid though.
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