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I'm not sure. I thought the last one looked really good (and whichever one had Bruce Wayne showing up in Barry's place and throwing a batarang at him - maybe that was the same one) but this one didn't enthuse me as much. I'm not sure why. I'll have to watch it a couple more times to see if I can figure out what it is.
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Oct 8, 2017 18:10
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Jamesman posted:Every time they release more stuff for Justice League, the worse it looks to me. I think we've sunk lower than Suicide Squad here. Feels like the battle stuff is going to get the same kind of complaints Avengers got with the Chitauri but x1000
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FlamingLiberal posted:It just looks like more of the same to be honest, except this time you're going to get more Whedon quips The "foreign faceless horde invaders" trope is problematic yeah, but at least this time it actually feels more like an invasion of an alien army, instead of a few hundred dorks in cosplay outfit. The para-demons remind me more of a swarm of locusts or something. That, and the red skies, the way the landscape looks hellish, the infinite number of insectoid para-demons, all builds up to a very ominous and oppressive setting. This actually feels like an invasion. That said, that scene seems to take place in a small town in bumfuck, Midwest US, which kinda lowers the stake a bit.
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hiddenriverninja posted:I really wish Snyder could have finished the movie the way he wanted I'm hoping for a directors cut of this, but that's all up to Zack. He might just not want to do one. We'll see.
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Ha ha! Good jokes guys, that is a funny impression of idiots on other sites.
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I wonder how small a role Cyborg has in this, because he's barely said or done a thing throughout all these trailers. Also, even in death this version of Superman remains boring as gently caress.
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fruit on the bottom posted:I'm honestly torn, because I'm either putting my faith in the guy we already know can't write Wonder Woman or the guy who made Sucker Punch. I'm one of those few that liked Sucker Punch. Funnily enough, one of the points of Sucker Punch is that Whedons brand of feminism isn't actually empowering, it's at best an empty gesture and at worst a shallow veneer to cover up even more gross sexualization of women (which becomes even more poignant, when you learn Whedon is a creep), so for those two to team up on this was unexpected to say the least. Having said that, dialouge is one of Snyders weaknesses, and one of Whedons strengths, while Whedon is terrible at cinematography, which Snyder excels at. If Whedon is smart enough to know his limits, then maybe they can complement each other. But good grief, that 10-second gag about the bat signal was the worst.
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There was a 500 page screaming match over sucker punch in cined so i don't really wanna get too deep into this, but even though i liked the dream action sequences i don't think you can really call it a feminist movie
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JT Smiley posted:I wonder how small a role Cyborg has in this, because he's barely said or done a thing throughout all these trailers. Hawkeye barely did anything in avengers 2 but he was pretty much the breakout character there. I have a feeling theres a lot more Cyborg stuff than seems but the people making the trailer don't know it's good
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JT Smiley posted:I wonder how small a role Cyborg has in this, because he's barely said or done a thing throughout all these trailers. The Death and Rebirth of Superman is hard to get excited about when we haven't felt his absence. When he died in the comics it's not like DC stopped all its publishing. Readers experienced the DC universe without him. But in this case we're simply waiting for the next movie to come out with nothing happening in between. I'm sure in the actual movie he'll make a late and dramatic arrival but as for anticipating the movie it's not a big deal. Lobok fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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Lobok posted:The Death and Rebirth of Superman is hard to get excited about when we haven't felt his absence. When he died in the comics it's not like DC stopped all its publishing. Readers experienced the DC universe without him. But in this case we're simply waiting for the next movie to come out with nothing happening in between. I'm sure in the actual movie he'll make a late and dramatic arrival but as for anticipating the movie it's not a big deal. They actually did put the books on hiatus after he died.
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Rhyno posted:They actually did put the books on hiatus after he died. There wasn't nothing until he was revived is what I mean. Other DC stories continued. The Reign of the Superman story had to finish first. It's not like stories were missing. Superman was missing from the stories. In the movies we've only had Wonder Woman come out between Superman's death and return and that movie was set before Superman was ever around in the first place.
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Rhyno posted:They actually did put the books on hiatus after he died. Funeral For a Friend started up like right after #75 in November 1992.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Hawkeye barely did anything in avengers 2 but he was pretty much the breakout character there. I have a feeling theres a lot more Cyborg stuff than seems but the people making the trailer don't know it's good Hawkeye sat out of a lot of the first Avengers movie, but he does quite a bit in the second one. That's how he ended up breaking out as a character. TheManWithNoName posted:Batfleck is awesome, I like Batfleck in a bubble, but I don't think I'll ever get used to a Batman so heavily associated with bullets. It was weird to get that slow-mo shell casing shot.
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SonicRulez posted:I don't like the dialogue. There's something about it that just doesn't feel...I dunno the word. Organic? I know that's incredibly vague and a bit dumb since it's obviously not, but it's supposed to feel like actual (fantastic) people talking to each other. Instead it felt like stilted video game dialogue. "Your ride ain't over yet." "My man!" Nah. I agree, but also that's something that that trailers have a lot of trouble showing even when they're trying to. When you're doing quick cuts of what looks cool, the flow of everything's going to look disjointed and you get one-liners with no context.
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Roth posted:Every scene with Aquaman is trying way too hard to be cool
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Superman and Corn. Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait.
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TheManWithNoName posted:Superman and Corn. Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait. 
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I think I liked the former trailer better, but this is okay too. I don't think the dialogue is inorganic, exactly, as much as it feels inorganic for...well, this franchise. Most of these exchanges would have stuck out like a sore thumb during MoS or BvS, and maybe even during WW.McCloud posted:I'm one of those few that liked Sucker Punch. Funnily enough, one of the points of Sucker Punch is that Whedons brand of feminism isn't actually empowering, it's at best an empty gesture and at worst a shallow veneer to cover up even more gross sexualization of women (which becomes even more poignant, when you learn Whedon is a creep) McCloud posted:The dream sequences in of themselves are not feminist, but they are a part of the critique the Snyders were making against media where you have a badass girl in a thong outfit gleefully murdering people. What's ironic here is that Sucker Punch then falls into fridging its female characters in spectacularly disempowering ways, which actually is one of the most persistent Whedon sins around which Snyder just...bluntly, nakedly reproduces.
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SonicRulez posted:I like Batfleck in a bubble, but I don't think I'll ever get used to a Batman so heavily associated with bullets. It was weird to get that slow-mo shell casing shot. yeah he's normally just associated with brain damage and paralysis and bombs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn_FMsoTkGY
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SleepCousinDeath posted:yeah he's normally just associated with brain damage and paralysis I know I'm taking massive bait here, but I can't let you pretend Batman Returns is some kind of definitive take on Batman. It's not. You know, if Joe Chill had karate'd the Waynes to death, I'd be all in on Bat-Punisher.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Do Snyder and Whedon have some kind of rivalry I've never heard of? In the case of Sucker Punch, people like to project its whole "hot girls kicking rear end is not actually empowering" message onto Whedon's works despite it not really fitting, and despite Snyder (to my knowledge) having given no indication that it was ever supposed to be an indictment of Whedon specifically.
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SonicRulez posted:I know I'm taking massive bait here, but I can't let you pretend Batman Returns is some kind of definitive take on Batman. It's not. You know, if Joe Chill had karate'd the Waynes to death, I'd be all in on Bat-Punisher. You're right, the definitive take on Batman is the run done by Doug Moench and Kelley Jones.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:You're right, the definitive take on Batman is the run done by Doug Moench and Kelley Jones. Actually it's Neil Adam's Batman Odyssey
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Actually it's Neil Adam's Batman Odyssey It's a contender for sure.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:You're right, the definitive take on Batman is the run done by Doug Moench and Kelley Jones. I would love to see that on film, I love their nightmare gothic style. I have no idea how it'd actually work in live-action, but I'd love to see them try.
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BrianWilly posted:I think I liked the former trailer better, but this is okay too. I don't think the dialogue is inorganic, exactly, as much as it feels inorganic for...well, this franchise. Most of these exchanges would have stuck out like a sore thumb during MoS or BvS, and maybe even during WW. This isn't 10-dimensional sick burn, it's plain text in the movie. It's not against Whedon specifically, but against the brand of "feminism" he uses in his shows or movies. That "specific sequence" was hyperbole, it doesn't even happen in the movie itself. The point I was making, is that the women, even in these badass fantasy lands, are still being used for the benefit of men and their sexuality. These scenes literally occur while these women are forced to placate mens sexual appetites by doing dirty dances. The meaning being, that just because you have a strong woman who can kill hordes of zombie nazis, doesn't mean it's not objectifying women, because it's still being done for the benefit of men, under the male gaze. The killing of its female characters also has a purpose, I think. The womens plan fails because it's a plan based on using their sexuality as a weapon against men (after all, in a world where women have no other use of leveraging themselves, they will use sex), but ultimately, using sex as a weapon is still playing the game set by a patriarchal culture. It's saying "your only value to society is by being sexy". Babydoll wins because she, in the end, refuses to play the game, and instead, through love and sacrifice (traditionally seen as womanly traits) gets what she wants, i.e justice for the girls and justice for her sister. Admittedly, it's been years since I saw the movie, so I might have gotten a few details wrong, but that's what I remember of it
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TFRazorsaw posted:In general, there seems to be a desire to credit Snyder with more auteur credit than he may or may not deserve. And also the complete opposite. All we can be sure of is Snyder isn't being given the just right amount of credit.
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