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CommieGIR posted:You don't have a clue what Antifa is about, thanks for proving that. Antifa is about antifascism but socialism can be used to promote ethnic supremacy and has so... botany posted:gently caress off MIGF I'm sorry that you are unable to actually engage with the line of discussion. My desire is not to offend you but only reveal the truth to you. ThisIsWhyTrumpWon fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Antifa is about antifascism but socialism can be used to promote ethnic supremacy and has so...  Its almost as if antifacism isn't the only reason Antifa formed. Like how Antifa is also pushing political action to remove Confederate statues. You are just trying to, in a round about way, push the Conservative arguing point that 'Antifa is Facism too!' Its not. And your argument doesn't hold water.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I would be extremely surprised to learn that you've actually l had enough friends on Facebook or whatever I'd be very surprised you have friends.
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antifa is great! the leaders of the democratic party... not so much.... joepinetree posted:So this came out today:
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Phew I guess it's a good thing Clinton isn't President after all. she shouldn't have been anywhere near the presidency, and the democratic party needs to be cleaned up being "not as lovely as trump" is very clearly not enough
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It's important to distinguish between the Nazis who want a Nazi government to murder or expel the Mexicans, Muslims, African Americans and immigrants from the moderate Republicans who are merely okay with a Nazi government if the alternative is taxing the rich or losing the culture wars on gays and abortion.
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CommieGIR posted:
Antifa is a group specifically designed to fight fascism. First things first. A lot of the people involved with it are from the more radical sides of the ideological fence. Quite a few are socialists. A few may be tankies. Others social democrats. Socialism and Communism are not Fascism. Antifa are not pushing Socialism and Communism. Socialism and Communism in the past has been used to justify racism. Most Americans don't know what socialism is though in the first place or have any idea how it works in practice. They seem to think there's some country in Europe that has been a socialist state in the past 20 years even though not a single one has been a socialist state. Now I personally believe in integration and strongly so. I believe for that America to function immigrant culture must become american culture and American culture must become immigrant culture. But I'm also Latino and hold atypical opinions to how white liberal Americans feel about immigrants. I feel that if someone has come to the USA from another country and lived here 15 years and never learned English that they wasted a big opportunity. And thats from personal experiences of knowing members of my family that came here 15 years ago. Live in NYC. Don't speak English. Don't have a single piece of property to their name and still make $10 an hour. But in my culture being a hard worker and getting ahead is a big part of our identity alongside forming your own business. And I know it is for most Latinos. I don't see it being as important for white people. They are happy working for a large company. I also see that there are some groups that are seeming to back tread on integration and I really don't like that. I think America needs more integration and not less. But seeing that I can imagine a future where there are groups that claim to be leftist and espouse that the best think for our country is that everyone keeps to their like selves. Blacks with blacks, white with whites, hispanics with hispanics, and so on because any other arrangement causes too much tension. ThisIsWhyTrumpWon fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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CommieGIR posted:The Hail Victories and Nazi Salutes are just coincidental. Err, Roman salutes, tyvm!
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Te-Nihisi Coates is right and in ways so is Richard Spencer even if they do not realize the reasons why. All things carry thier end in-themselves. Our society is no exception. We can look at it honestly and without fear and I think Coates does that. So long as it is the case that within our society that can be done, then redemption and hope have a ground in and for our society and it is not at its end.
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CommieGIR posted:You don't have a clue what Antifa is about, thanks for proving that. LOL. Johnny come lately claiming to have always been part of something when they've just found out about it. GBS is thataway.
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There’s a book, The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, about the formation of mass movements. It was written a few decades ago and largely focuses on politics during WWII but it’s still extremely relevant to today. One of the points he tackles is exactly that sort of flip-flopping of people on the fringe. Fascists had an easy time recruiting from the most ardent communists and vice versa, because those individuals didn’t really care about their ideology in anything beyond a superficial manner. Like with people I know who were Bernie supporters until the primaries ended and they switched to supporting Trump. They only cared that their candidate was “an outsider” or “anti-establishment” even if factually that wasn’t true. They don’t give a poo poo about what effects their actual politician positions might lead to. Still, I don’t know if that trend is really happening as much today. People are way better informed about this kind of stuff and live such insular lives that it’s hard to imagine too many people are suddenly going to switch to hold positions that are in stark contrast to what everyone else in their lives believes
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If your hurting and the status-quo establishment is doing nothing for you, some people will want to put a brick through their window and scream at them to gently caress off. The brick on the left and the brick on the right both serve the same purpose in that case.
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CommieGIR posted:I forgot how readily the left swung for White Supremacy.... Bernie Sanders.
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Kit Walker posted:There’s a book, The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, about the formation of mass movements. It was written a few decades ago and largely focuses on politics during WWII but it’s still extremely relevant to today. One of the points he tackles is exactly that sort of flip-flopping of people on the fringe. Fascists had an easy time recruiting from the most ardent communists and vice versa, because those individuals didn’t really care about their ideology in anything beyond a superficial manner. Like with people I know who were Bernie supporters until the primaries ended and they switched to supporting Trump. They only cared that their candidate was “an outsider” or “anti-establishment” even if factually that wasn’t true. They don’t give a poo poo about what effects their actual politician positions might lead to. Still, I don’t know if that trend is really happening as much today. People are way better informed about this kind of stuff and live such insular lives that it’s hard to imagine too many people are suddenly going to switch to hold positions that are in stark contrast to what everyone else in their lives believes To get more clinical about it, all totalitarian movements are recruiting from the same pool of "authoritarian" personality types. For a lot of people it's not going to matter so much *which* authoritarian leader they're following, so long as they're following *someone.*
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Bernie Sanders. No.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Bernie Sanders. https://twitter.com/JohnLockesKnife/status/916013990421172225
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Always remember, the police are our enemies https://twitter.com/BronyPhysicist/status/916879803587923968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Speaking of Nazis, good to "David Duke without the Baggage" all over TV getting puff pieces because he managed not to die after being shot.
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mcmagic posted:Speaking of Nazis, good to "David Duke without the Baggage" all over TV getting puff pieces because he managed not to die after being shot. I think he is going to speak at an anti-gay conference soon. (One lesbian cop took a bullet for him)
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Antifa is about antifascism but socialism can be used to promote ethnic supremacy and has so... would you call yourself a race realist, migf
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Ague Proof posted:I think he is going to speak at an anti-gay conference soon. Everyone bitches when some conservative sees the light after they are actually affected by an issue; but isn't it worse when they learn nothing?
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BarbarianElephant posted:Everyone bitches when some conservative sees the light after they are actually affected by an issue; but isn't it worse when they learn nothing? Should be a lesson for minority cops
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MizPiz posted:Always remember, the police are our enemies He doesn't have a checkmark, can we be sure he's a physicist? Or a brony for that matter?
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Dead Reckoning posted:If a Republican pro life gun nut cop saved your life, would you start thinking he had some pretty good ideas? Nah. Did you never see cartoons growing up where the bad guy doesn't off the protagonist because it benefits them in that moment?
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Dead Reckoning posted:If a Republican pro life gun nut cop saved your life, would you start thinking he had some pretty good ideas? Doing your job has nothing to do with the quality of your ideas.
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Agreed. Pellisworth posted:By the way DR, making scatter plots from Wikipedia is not scientifically or statistically rigorous especially the way you're doing it. All my data is pulled from sources like the Census Bureau and the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. If you think my demonstration of a lack of correlation is somehow wrong or factually incorrect, I'm all ears. "Are these two variables correlated for this data set" is not exactly graduate level math. Pellisworth posted:ah yes, a correlation so strong you conveniently didn't include a p-value or even R^2 like you did with your ownership/homicide rate plot, I'm very convinced  N=50 if you want to do the math yourself, but it's moderately correlated and statistically significant. Convinced now? Pellisworth posted:you don't even have international statistics here, you're making poo poo up CommieGIR posted:Nobody here is pretending that people are still not going to kill people with bolt action or pump action weapons, the difference is they won't be killing a many in such a short period. I love that you keep falling back to that. Trying to game theory the Vegas attack without semi auto guns is pointless; if he wasn't using a ridiculous bump fire AR-15, he probably wouldn't have set off the smoke detector in his room, pinpointing his location for the SWAT team. And again, Whitman wasn't that accomplished of a marksman; he wasn't even in the top grade of people going through Marine boot camp, much less some sort of elite sniper.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I feel the argument you and others are trying to make here is fundamentally flawed. My point is, in response to people who say they don't want to outlaw hunting weapons, most of the weapons Whitman used (pretty much all of them save the carbine and pistols, which I can't find any notes suggesting he used, he certainly wasn't making hits at 500yds with any of them) fit that description. If you're OK with letting people keep "hunting weapons", are you saying you're OK with mass shootings as long as the perpetrators keep the casualties below 20? What Whitman was was the first mass killer of his kind. There were factors that didn't exist back then that do now, like the way police respond to mass shooting events and the way people view certain kinds of activities. For example, before the sniping actually began in the UT shooting, quote:As Cheryl Botts and Don Walden entered the reception area from the observation deck, Walden noticed Whitman's guns and assumed that he was going to the observation deck to shoot pigeons. Whitman smiled, "Hi, how are you?" as they went down to the elevator. This was even before he shot the family coming up the stairs and two people escaping to get help, and all of this was still before the first shots were fired from the tower into random people below. When that started, people thought it was an antiwar protest, and there were people telling victims who had been shot to get up because they didn't realize what was happening because, again, this poo poo hadn't happened before. Police radios were only in cars, there was no such thing as a SWAT team, hell, the police had a 12 gauge shotgun and pistols, nothing that could return fire to where he was. Whitman had an hour and a half where no one even came up the tower to try and stop him, versus the security guard who got shot in Vegas for checking that stairwell that seemed to be the shooters' escape route and seemed to be the impetus for him killing himself. BTW, Investigation Discovery made a pretty decent episode on this particular shooting ( https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/a-crime-to-remember/full-episodes/the-28th-floor ) that's worth watching. It spends a decent amount of time showing how shocked people were that someone would do something like it, and the police weren't really sure what they should be doing. Hell, the media didn't even know what they should be doing and they started listing the names of victims from the emergency room while the shooting was still going on. It was absurdly different from what happens now, so using it as a data point is a really really bad idea. Now, there were other factors at work as well, like Whitman's therapist who knew he was thinking about doing this but couldn't tell anyone because of confidentiality rules that have since been changed to allow for a therapist to say something if their patient says they want to go out and murder a shitload of random people and things like that, so you could also base it as an argument for better health care measures we can take, although we've taken some already specifically because of Whitman already. My point is we've learned pretty much all we can about what to do about mass shootings from Whitman, so it's time to look to newer examples to learn what we can and do what we can do to mitigate what can happen, like banning rifles that allow someone to spray bullets with impunity much faster in order to do much more damage before a SWAT team can get to them. LITERALLY MY FETISH fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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stone cold posted:would you call yourself a race realist, migf No? There's no physical or scientific difference between races. I am a strong advocate of racial integration though.
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MizPiz posted:https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/10/08/bannons-behest-blackwater-founder-and-war-profiteer-erik-prince-mulling-senate-run LOL Wyoming having 2 senators.
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here's a good interviewquote:MJ: You’ve sometimes been critiqued as a writer who deals in racial theory while remaining apolitical and not offering actual answers for how to grapple with the realities of racism. What do you make of that analysis?
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Dead Reckoning posted:If a Republican pro life gun nut cop saved your life, would you start thinking he had some pretty good ideas? There is a pretty big gulf between "agreeing with all of someone's ideas" and recognizing their humanity.
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MizPiz posted:https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/10/08/bannons-behest-blackwater-founder-and-war-profiteer-erik-prince-mulling-senate-run Except neither of the Senators are retiring and they are I believe among the top ten popular senators with their constituents.
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Crowsbeak posted:Except neither of the Senators are retiring and they are I believe among the top ten popular senators with their constituents. GOP primaries are a competition over who's more batshit insane.
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mcmagic posted:GOP primaries are a competition over who's more batshit insane. True, however if a politician is popular they can usually survive a primary.
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Crowsbeak posted:True, however if a politician is popular they can usually survive a primary. See also: Murkowski, Lisa
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