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RME posted:i got my XB271HU recently and it's been great, the difference when i switched to high refresh was real jarring Rent a colour calibrator from a local photo store/photographer friends/facebook groups.
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Oh is renting those an option? I looked at them before and I wasn't excited about spending the money for something that apparently degrades by the next time I would get to use it (I know it takes a few years but I don't exactly buy monitors super often, so it'd probably be years before it'd see light again). I was ready to eat it if people advised me to, because at least I could calibrate my brother's stuff while I was at it, but renting is a much better option. I did tweak some calibration last night and got it looking a lot better but now I'm itching to think I could do even better, but I did it through the nvidia control panel because it was easier to experiment with mouse controls vs osd, but that might get annoying if I ever have to reinstall drivers
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Human brains are really bad at colour matching. You can never get it right by eye, it's just a limit of how our brains work. I don't understand the biology enough to explain, but you know how when you wear tinted glasses for a while, everything looks wrong when you take them off? That same brain process makes it impossible for us to calibrate colours. If it's bothering you, call around and see if you can hire something.
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RME posted:Oh is renting those an option? At some shops, yeah. The catch is that it won't come with the software. You can either purchase that separately, or use one of the open-source/free versions. Generally, unless you're looking for something very specific, the free options are perfectly fine. Also, monitors themselves drift over time, so it's not exactly a one-and-done deal; ideally you'd recalibrate every 6-12 months, so if you did buy one it's not like it'd be totally useless. Renting one every now and again is still probably the better option for the vast majority of people, though.
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I've been told that newer devices have more robust filters that don't degrade nearly as quickly as they used to. They also last a lot longer if you store them in an airtight bag with some desiccant packages because humidity accelerates the degradation.
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So I'm in the market for a new monitor as I have a relatively decent pc and have been running garbage at 1k for a while. My first thought was 4k! But then I see a roommate's 144hz 1k monitor and get intrigued by that. So I look into 4k 144hz monitors and they're either super expensive or TN garbage, so I found ye ole' standard of acer predator 2k 165hz IPS panels, and upon looking I also found AOC Agon AG271QG and ViewSonic XG2703-GS which are the competitors sporting gsync with the same specs, 2k 165hz IPS panel. I assume they're all made in the same factory panel wise, what is the downside to getting these besides increased risk of getting bleedthrough and dead pixels? Because I could easily cheat amazon and repeatedly send them back as "broken" until I get a good one. Ezekial fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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I tired looking for a photo store near me that I could ask, but the only thing even remotely like that is probably Staples printing desk or a generic supermarket photo develop kiosk. I doubt either of those would have it, and wouldn't be renting them out if they did. Unless there is a specific chain in Michigan, USA I'm at a loss as to where to look for a colorimeter. There are online sites where you can rent it for 3 days for like $35-40 USD.
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You're looking for a camera rental or lens rental place. They're pretty common, and a city like Michigan definitely has a few around. They also rent calibrators.
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Looks like the X34P's are finally going to be coming out at the end of the year (unless they get delayed yet again), X34s got a recent price drop.
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I am thinking of building a PC for my girlfriend to use for professional design (InDesign/Photoshop/Illustrator) and the monitor is a big part of the equation. She was considering an iMac 5K or a Microsoft Surface Studio but I thought I could build her something faster and upgradeable for cheaper. I've been researching as best I can and I don't see a lot of direct comparisons made to the screen in the iMac 5K/Surface Studio. A lot of monitor reviews are gamer-oriented and I'm not sure what I'm looking for in a professional monitor. Can I buy something as good or better or is she best suited with the iMac 5K/Surface Studio? I think she's looking for 27-32" and probably 4K or similar. This is what I have found so far: 32" 4K screens 32" Samsung UD970 BenQ PV3200PT HP DreamColor Z32x Dell UP3216Q 27" but has HDR Dell UP2718Q Not 4K but mentioned a lot NEC PA272W-BK Eizo? Budget is $3k-ish for PC + monitor
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Dell do a 5k monitor, the UP2715K.
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Lungboy posted:Dell do a 5k monitor, the UP2715K. You're not the boss of them.
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Anyone else tried the 34" Dell/Alienware AW3418DW? My monitor budget has gone up a bit and I think this might be the way to go. Not a lot of reviews around yet as it is pretty new.
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Sterling_Archer posted:Anyone else tried the 34" Dell/Alienware AW3418DW? My monitor budget has gone up a bit and I think this might be the way to go. Not a lot of reviews around yet as it is pretty new. There's a handful of reviews on the Reddit ultrawide page, generally good reviews so far from the people that received one.
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Stan S. Stanman posted:There's a handful of reviews on the Reddit ultrawide page, generally good reviews so far from the people that received one. I do like Dell in general. I've been using the 24" ultrasharp panels for like 6 years and one is finally giving up the ghost. I also like the warranty and not having to worry about dead pixels sounds nice.
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Currently planning on getting a PB278QR but I also like the specs of the PG279Q with it's 165hz + GSync goodness. My GTX 970 probably can't do 1440p @ 165hz very well (or at all) but I can always buy a better GPU. My worry is I'll be limited by my 2500k  I keep flipping between wanting to upgrade this PC and buying a new 8700k 1080Ti system.
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I'd buy the screen now and buy a new system when Volta is out next year. 1440p with a 970 and lowered settings should be just about fluid thanks to Gsync and a 1080ti is still too slow for maxing out that screen anyway (unless you only play e-sports games!)
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Ak Gara posted:Currently planning on getting a PB278QR but I also like the specs of the PG279Q with it's 165hz + GSync goodness. My GTX 970 probably can't do 1440p @ 165hz very well (or at all) but I can always buy a better GPU. The higher the resolution the less limited you are by the CPU, so I'd go with the monitor now and then wait for Volta GPUs to come out next year, that way you can grab a much more powerful GPU or spend a lot less money and enjoy G-sync until then. I'm using a 970 with a 1440p G-sync monitor and in spite of the lower frame rates it's very smooth due to G-sync.
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For years I've happily used a single Dell 3007WFPHC as my primary display for my gaming machine. This monitor has gorgeous color, and I refuse to ever leave IPS displays. Recently I've decided that I really like the look of the Ultrawides, and have been considering moving to an ASUS ROG Swift PG348Q. I have several questions: 1. Am I mental for being sad about going to 1440 from 1600, will I actually notice that? 2. I have my 3007WFPHC mounted on an Obutto Revolution, and while anything on the market is going to be lighter, the back plate of the Asus looks recessed, don't know if I'll need to buy another vesa mount for the swing arm? 3. Is this stupid, should I wait until something in true 4k that's also Ultrawide comes out? Derakarsis fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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Derakarsis posted:For years I've happily used a single Dell 3007WFPHC as my primary display for my gaming machine. This monitor has gorgeous color, and I refuse to ever leave IPS displays. Recently I've decided that I really like the look of the Ultrawides, and have been considering moving to an ASUS ROG Swift PG348Q. I have several questions: How often do you calibrate that 30"? and how many hours on the backlight? If it has >30k hours on the backlight, you'll probably be blown away by most everything (including color) from any newer IPS display  1. IIRC the 34" is slightly higher DPI, so you will notice a difference there. 30": 2560*1600=4 096 000 pixels 34": 3440*1440=4 953 600 pixels 2.If you have the wide (200x100) vesa mounts on the R3volution, you can use a spacer and longer screws(?). 3. Well, you can spend some more for a 38" ultrawide with 3840x1600, which comes down to about 6.1 megapixels of monitor. Or are you thinking 2160 vertical pixels?
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Corben Goble-Garbus posted:I am thinking of building a PC for my girlfriend to use for professional design (InDesign/Photoshop/Illustrator) and the monitor is a big part of the equation. She was considering an iMac 5K or a Microsoft Surface Studio but I thought I could build her something faster and upgradeable for cheaper. I've been researching as best I can and I don't see a lot of direct comparisons made to the screen in the iMac 5K/Surface Studio. A lot of monitor reviews are gamer-oriented and I'm not sure what I'm looking for in a professional monitor. Can I buy something as good or better or is she best suited with the iMac 5K/Surface Studio? I think she's looking for 27-32" and probably 4K or similar. I really would just get her the iMac. It's not just about the hardware specs, how well the UX scales to 5K matters a lot (especially with a 27" display) and Windows is still far behind the consistency of OSX/The Mac (fixed hardware helps a lot) here. The 5k iMac is actually very competitively priced, you just won't save enough - if anything - to be worth it, especially losing the advantage of one source to deal with in the event of tech issues. Edit: good lord that Dell 32" 4k is the same price as a 5K iMac Happy_Misanthrope fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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Wibla posted:How often do you calibrate that 30"? and how many hours on the backlight? If it has >30k hours on the backlight, you'll probably be blown away by most everything (including color) from any newer IPS display - I honestly have no idea how many hours are on the backlight, there's no GUI on the the 3007WFPHC, and the only button adjustments are power and brightness. I've had it since 2008, and I've used it or left it on for a shameful amount of time. Easily over 30k. - I'll have to look into quality mounting screws and spacers then... - I didn't see anything larger in the 38 category that also could achieve 100hz. My criteria was basically to try to maintain the current size, if not bigger, go ultrawide, and see a better refresh rate than my current 60 (100ish) while staying on an IPS display. I wanted to be able to mount it to the R3volution, and stay single monitor. Currently have a single Zotac 1080ti. - I figured if I could go true 4k and Ultrawide, I'd do that, but it didn't seem like that was an option to get everything I wanted. * I don't really have any brand loyalty, my monitor is this old with no visible dead pixels, I guess I found a loving unicorn.
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Hey, I recently decided that I am sick of my lovely monitor and am looking to replace it. I was a little overwhelmed when I was researching, but I found a couple candidates. One of the ones I was looking at was the Dell UltraSharp U2312HM 23" IPS LED LCD Monitor. https://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSh...ds=Dell+U2312HM I was wondering what the thread would recommend before I go making any decisions though. All I need is: - Wide viewing angle, so I can lean back. - Good color accuracy without having to get super advanced with calibrating it. It doesn't need to be amazing, just about average would be good enough. - Low input lag, since I play video games sometimes. - Less than $500. I don't make much money right now. Getting it for less than $300 would be even better. I don't need anything too fancy, I'm just looking to replace a monitor that sucks rear end.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:I really would just get her the iMac. It's not just about the hardware specs, how well the UX scales to 5K matters a lot (especially with a 27" display) and Windows is still far behind the consistency of OSX/The Mac (fixed hardware helps a lot) here. The 5k iMac is actually very competitively priced, you just won't save enough - if anything - to be worth it, especially losing the advantage of one source to deal with in the event of tech issues. In my experience UI scaling on Macs is laggy as poo poo even with a top-end graphics card and CPU, unless that's limited to the nvidia web drivers. Maybe that doesn't bother some people but it is unusable for me.
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Dear SHSC, 1. Why are all G-Sync monitors still so insanely expensive, and 2. Are they ever going to release a new line of IPS panels for the models currently out there?
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Why is integer scaling not common nowadays? Is it a hardware or software problem? Is it too expensive to implement? I thought people with 4K displays would kill to have lower resolutions displayed in a crisp way.
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exquisite tea posted:Dear SHSC, 2. The moment you give in, buy a new monitor, and the return period expires. Terminally Bored posted:Why is integer scaling not common nowadays? Is it a hardware or software problem? Is it too expensive to implement? I thought people with 4K displays would kill to have lower resolutions displayed in a crisp way. I think the reasoning is basically that "smooth" scaling looks better in demos and generally looks better with movies or games. Integer scaling is better for certain things but those are harder to sell to the average consumer. As far as why we don't even get optional integer scaling modes, my only guess is it's about consumer simplicity. How many people want that feature versus how many might turn it on by accident and call up pissed off that their blu-rays look ugly? wolrah fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Terminally Bored posted:Why is integer scaling not common nowadays? Is it a hardware or software problem? Is it too expensive to implement? I thought people with 4K displays would kill to have lower resolutions displayed in a crisp way. Works perfectly in windows 10 on my 4k screen. At least for apps that don't handle high DPI themselves.
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..btt posted:In my experience UI scaling on Macs is laggy as poo poo even with a top-end graphics card and CPU, unless that's limited to the nvidia web drivers. Maybe that doesn't bother some people but it is unusable for me. "In my experience" meaning...? What Mac? What OSX version? An iMac with an 8GB 580 will have absolutely no problem, and High Sierra migrates the OSX Window server to Metal instead of OpenGL which further improves performance. Really getting someone a DIY PC for professional graphic design work that their livelihood depends on when they can't diagnose and fix potential issues themselves is really not wise, Mac vs PC aside.
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Neat monitor from AOC: https://www.kitguru.net/peripherals/james-morris/aoc-agon-ag322qcx-144hz-freesync-31-5in-curved-gaming-monitor-review/ 31.5", curved, 144Hz 1440p with an MVA panel, FreeSync with LFC, so that kinda rules. Looks like it's around GBP470 with VAT included. Could be one of "the good ones" for FreeSync implementations. Big bad review here: https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-ag322qcx/
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:"In my experience" meaning...? What Mac? What OSX version? An iMac with an 8GB 580 will have absolutely no problem, and High Sierra migrates the OSX Window server to Metal instead of OpenGL which further improves performance. It was laggy on a Hackintosh with an i5-4670 with a 970 then upgraded to a 980Ti. Most recently tried on High Sierra. 3D apps were extremely performant as expected, but dragging around a window with UI scaling enabled had noticeable lag, like about a quarter of a second behind. With scaling set to 100% there was no lag at all. As I say, I this was using nvidia and web drivers so maybe OS X desktop rendering is just heavily optimised for AMD stuff? Wouldn't surprise me since I don't think they even sell nvidia equipped desktops anymore. Agreed though, if you don't know what you're doing I wouldn't suggest building your own PC for work or any other purpose, but fixing Windows and PC compatible hardware is pretty straightforward. If your Mac breaks though, welp, better take it to the nearest Apple store. The guy was considering building a PC so hopefully he knows the trade-offs.
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Greatly appreciate the responses. I'm very comfortable building PCs but I ultimately want to make the best choice for her professional design work. The creative industry is all-in on Apple computers and I have had a hard time finding a neutral comparison between iMac 5K and a custom PC build. But as Happy_Misanthrope suggests, the savings might not be worth it all things considered (e.g. UX scaling, single point of contact for support so I do not need to get involved).
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Yeah, I thought as typing that previous post surely for graphic design you'd consider software compatibility over all else, and in that industry it's Mac or nothing. Adobe products have always run like utter poo poo on Windows.
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..btt posted:It was laggy on a Hackintosh with an i5-4670 with a 970 then upgraded to a 980Ti. Most recently tried on High Sierra. 3D apps were extremely performant as expected, but dragging around a window with UI scaling enabled had noticeable lag, like about a quarter of a second behind. quote:Agreed though, if you don't know what you're doing I wouldn't suggest building your own PC for work or any other purpose, but fixing Windows and PC compatible hardware is pretty straightforward. If your Mac breaks though, welp, better take it to the nearest Apple store. The guy was considering building a PC so hopefully he knows the trade-offs.
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Thanks again to ..btt and Happy_Misanthrope. We are going to go with a refurb 2017 iMac 5K.
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Terminally Bored posted:Why is integer scaling not common nowadays? Is it a hardware or software problem? Is it too expensive to implement? I thought people with 4K displays would kill to have lower resolutions displayed in a crisp way. Good luck trying to explain integer scaling to the masses. I'm still reeling from the fact they managed to sell millions of 720p and 1080p TVs without support for 1:1 pixel mapping. Some people don't like a pixelated look either: http://tanalin.com/images/articles/lossless-scaling/main-2x.png KingEup fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Friend is going to build a ~$550 gaming PC with a GTX 1050TI. He was going to borrow a crap monitor from a friend, but is interested to hear about monitors. This $550 is excluding the monitor. What's the best bang for the buck? 1080p because of the GPU, maybe IPS, I assume not a crazy refresh rate, won't ever be having the bleeding edge GPU. KingKapalone fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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KingKapalone posted:Friend is going to build a ~$550 gaming PC with a GTX 1050TI. He was going to borrow a crap monitor from a friend, but is interested to hear about monitors. In that kind of a price range, go for a refurb 24" 144 Hz 1080p for around $150. You can also go 27" 1080p IPS for the same-ish price, which may have better color, although it'll be a little chunky for productivity and is only 60 Hz. You may be able to drive some e-sports titles at 144 Hz with a low setting, and it'll help smoothness even if you're only rendering much lower framerates. Consider getting something with FreeSync, it won't work with your GPU but it doesn't cost you anything either. The NVIDIA equivalent, GSync, doesn't have a good low-end, but you can get the same monitor for ~$300 with GSync and that'll work with your monitor. If you want to go that route it's better to aim for a $400-ish monitor where you're getting a nicer panel + more screen real estate (for roughly the same price with either FreeSync or GSync) but that's a lot more than the $150-ish entry-level monitors. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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