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Kibayasu posted:The only thing I can knock The Visitor for in the shadow of Inner Light is that the star of the episode isn’t a regular cast member but I can hardly fault them for not putting Cirroc in old man make up. And Tony Todd is always welcome. Oh yeah, he's the absolute anchor of that story. And to be fair, Cirroc does very well with his few scenes. Jake Sisko in general is a really underrated character, even among the other underrated DS9 characters, and Lofton always nailed his scenes with Brooks and Nog.
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Years later, when a bigtime auction house in New York held an auction for all the old Star Trek studio stuff (thousands of items, including the actual models used in the movies and TV shows), Patrick Stewart was interviewed about it, and he was asked that if he would have bid on any of the items, which of them would he have bid on. First thing out of his mouth was the flute from The Inner Light.
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Oct 10, 2017 04:57
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Watching The Inner Light. Picard's head whip before he loses consciousness is amazing. Yess, my favorite episode.
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Gonz posted:Years later, when a bigtime auction house in New York held an auction for all the old Star Trek studio stuff (thousands of items, including the actual models used in the movies and TV shows), Patrick Stewart was interviewed about it, and he was asked that if he would have bid on any of the items, which of them would he have bid on. Wasn't the second thing out of his mouth that the flute didn't even work?
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Oct 10, 2017 05:39
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Sir Lemming posted:It's actually the origin story of the bat'leth, which was invented as a way to do air quotes so you can tell when a Klingon is being sarcastic. I don't know about y'all, but that's my headcanon now. Fidel Cuckstro posted:The real answer is that all Star Trek should use the Wrath of Khan thru Undiscovered Country uniforms and tech aesthetic. Well yeah, but technically each series visualizes actual 23rd or 24th century technology as best they can. So WoK is "merely" the best interpretation so far. Every new series gets to try their hand at it (and if they fail in the concept art stage, yeah, go with WoK down the line). It just got... smoky in here... must be the wildfires up North. Yeah.
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I'm sad we didn't see more Connie Refit/Excelsior 'let's get include some Art Deco flair on this shiz'. I enjoyed Dax in Trials and Tribble-ations loving on her TOS tricorder with platinum highlights and faux-leather finish. Basically, it's great when eras actually have distinct style that's more than just whatever was 'high-tech' when the series was made. High tech ages much worse. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 06:59
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Mountaineer posted:Speaking of Voyager, I recently watched that episode where Kes gets her mind possessed by some deposed king alien who can transfer his consciousness into people to escape death. Lots of fun acting from Jennifer Lien as she chews the scenery playing an evil overlord character. It really made me think it's a shame she spends the rest of the show being little more than Neelix's soft-spoken waifu. ...wait, didn't DS9 do that episode with Bashir just a few years prior?
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Oct 10, 2017 07:20
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Drink-Mix Man posted:It's basically a reboot that's afraid to out-and-out say it's a reboot. It's interesting how both Discovery and 2009 were unwilling to fully break from previous Trek and say "we're starting over, this is completely new, nothing that happened before should be taken for granted in this show" - even 2009, for whatever reason*, felt that it needed to be derived from the events of old Trek and not just be its own story. *okay okay the real reason is to cash in on Leonard Nimoy cameos
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MikeJF posted:I'm sad we didn't see more Connie Refit/Excelsior 'let's get include some Art Deco flair on this shiz'. It's an aesthetic that doesn't seem like it's ever going to get a revival and that bums me out a little.
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Oct 10, 2017 07:29
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:...wait, didn't DS9 do that episode with Bashir just a few years prior? Voyager, at least, did it better, since Jennifer Lien chose not to do a goofy voice while possessed.
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Oct 10, 2017 07:37
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Brawnfire posted:So we have the gritty edgelord neo-Trek, the goofy fun callback Trek... we need a Dry Trek. How about Sector General as a trek series? Medical drama but sometimes the patients have sulphur for blood?
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Oct 10, 2017 07:48
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Nessus posted:In addition to being beholded to 20 seasons of TV shows from the 90s, a lot of the stuff Voyager dragged in would probably kind of harm storytelling. "Why don't we just have holographic away teams, why don't we just use the Slipstream drive," etc. It would probably be less bad now. Eh you just ignore whatever you don't like. TNG pretended a ton of stuff from the original series and from its own early seasons never happened. Remember subcutaneous transponders and TNG's subcutaneous communicators? Or that even a Constitution class has enough firepower to destroy a planet? Or there's an easy-to-make shot that gives you psi powers. Or you can set the ship's phasers on stun Or Vulcans can remotely hypnotize people even if they're in a different room I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of crazy poo poo. Oh! There's a chemical that makes you superfast and completely invisible
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The 29th Century mobile emitter that Voyager gets is starting to bug me. We've already found out there's a whole future 29th Century time cop squad that looks for fuckups in the timeline and fixes them so they don't change the future right? They put Voyager back in the Delta Quadrant after Janeway keeps a 1994 Silicon Valley tech bro from destroying the future with 29th Century technology...but then why do they let Voyager keep the mobile emitter. Maybe they didn't notice and it wasn't that important. Okay maybe, but it has already saved the ship at least once. So shouldn't the 29th Century people notice that, especially given the huge effects Voyager starts having on the galaxy?
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There's presumably some changes to the timeline that are 'supposed' to happen, and the timecops won't correct. Like Sela's existence or saving the whales and Earth in Star Trek IV. The Time squad's records indicate Voyager's meant to have a future holo-emitter, so they let it slide.
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Oct 10, 2017 08:03
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Inner Light always chokes me up, but The Visitor always draws a tear Treks each have a standout emotional masterpece: City on the Edge of Forever, The Inner Light, The Visitor, [empty], [empty]. They also all feature a character in an unfamiliar situation adrift in time.
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MikeJF posted:Treks each have a standout emotional masterpece: City on the Edge of Forever, The Inner Light, The Visitor, [empty], [empty]. I really do think Meld should be voyager's selection
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VitalSigns posted:Eh you just ignore whatever you don't like. TNG pretended a ton of stuff from the original series and from its own early seasons never happened.
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Oct 10, 2017 10:27
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Most starships with phasers could destroy continents back in TOS. Not immediately maybe, but certainly given a little time. Which is why most superweapons bore me in Star Trek, since they could just as easily be replaced with a bunch of high yield torpedoes.
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Oct 10, 2017 10:49
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Maybe we’ll get to see General Order 24 depicted on Discovery.
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Gonz posted:Maybe we’ll get to see General Order 24 depicted on Discovery. More likely Order 66 But I remain hopeful 
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When that joint Cardassian-Romulan fleet attacked the Founder's homeworld, they destroyed like 30% of the planet's crust in one volley. I think they estimated they'd be down to the mantle after a few volleys. That's the only time I think we've actually seen the power of those weapons depicted in that way.
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evilmiera posted:Most starships with phasers could destroy continents back in TOS. Not immediately maybe, but certainly given a little time. Which is why most superweapons bore me in Star Trek, since they could just as easily be replaced with a bunch of high yield torpedoes. Yeah. Good superweapons in Trek are ones that can't be stopped by destroying the incoming ship.
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VitalSigns posted:The 29th Century mobile emitter that Voyager gets is starting to bug me. Maybe they let him keep it on humanitarian grounds? I kind of like the idea that they won't fix the timeline if it's a civil rights issue of some kind. "Well, technically this slave was supposed to be lynched for trying to escape, but I'm just going to watch him beat his master to death and then get away." Edit: Had Voyager managed to mass produce them, the time cops probably would have intervened though. Cat Hatter fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Once you are able produce large quantities of antimatter, pretty much every other weapon becomes quaint. 1 gram of antimatter reacting with one gram of matter would have over twice the yield of of Little Boy. 100 lbs of antimatter would produce an explosion of 1,952 megatons. If you wanted to replicate the complete destruction of a planet like the the death star (rather than glass the surface), you need a bit more. 45,000,000 lbs.
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Oct 10, 2017 13:48
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Wow B'elanna found out the Doctor is playing The Sims, so she kills his sims-daughter. drat.
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Star trek episodes sound utterly bonkers when described in a sentence  I just got done watching "A needy program wants O'Brien's attention while Laxwana catches Odo as he melts in an elevator"
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[quote="“VitalSigns”" post="“477238123”"] Wow B’elanna found out the Doctor is playing The Sims, so she kills his sims-daughter. drat. [/quote] B'Elanna's one character trait is that she is a dick
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Just wanted to talk about Inner Light a bit. I'm sure people have said this before but it's an amazing episode in that it's one of the few episodes I think you point to when you're trying to actually explain what Trek is- it both requires none of the tropes or dressings of Trek, but is also so clearly a Trek story you almost cannot imagine another show doing it. Like on the one hand- you don't need to know about warp drives or phasers or vulcans or the Federation. In theory the episode didn't even need to take place in space. The 'magic scanning beam' is just the simplest conceit to get you a cause-and-effect from the device to Picard's experience. Basically the only thing you need to know beforehand is that the characters are explorers. But then on top of that, this is a story that is so devoid of any typical dramatic storytelling tools that I cannot imagine another show doing it. There aren't any stakes and no risk. The rest of the crew are doing stuff trying to figure out what's going on with Picard, but as a viewer I don't think you're ever really concerned with it. Really they're just there to provide interludes to break up Picard's story. There's no mystery- the reveal that Kataan died 1000 years ago isn't so much solving a mystery as the thing that comes at the end to give you context about why you were supposed to care about this story. In the end it's just scenes of an alien life- and even then those scenes are incredibly simple. There's nothing about the Kataans that doesn't come off as utterly human and kind of banal. And through all of that nothingness it's an amazing episode. Sure no small part of that is Stewart just being a great actor- but also the story's message is so powerful that trying to toy with it dramatically would weaken it. Isn't it sad that one day we might all be gone and nobody to remember us? Not just individually but as a civilization? I honestly don't think there's been another tv show that is set up to try and do a story like that. But you accept it with Trek because it's a show about exploration. Trek characters are curious. They are principled. These are their central traits- even more than their skills or backstory or relationships. And even in the dark conflicted world of DS9 that was true of basically every character still. And if you have characters that are that straightforward, you can tell a story like this, even in the very middlebrow world of TV. Anyways I spent like an hour last night thinking about that before I fell asleep.
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bull3964 posted:Once you are able produce large quantities of antimatter, pretty much every other weapon becomes quaint. Well why not just glass the surface, what's the point of breaking it? Militarily I mean.
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How else can you establish you are evil?
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evilmiera posted:Most starships with phasers could destroy continents back in TOS. Not immediately maybe, but certainly given a little time. Which is why most superweapons bore me in Star Trek, since they could just as easily be replaced with a bunch of high yield torpedoes. Another interesting difference between TOS and TNG is that the original Enterprise could take a lot of abuse. In A Taste of Armageddon, the Enterprise was being bombarded by Eminiar VII's death rays and was barely affected by it. In TNG, the Enterprise-D would lose its shields after taking a couple of hits from an enemy ship. I think Voyager was even worse for that than TNG.
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Firebert posted:I really don't want Cpt. Worf or the loving Khan series that Meyer is allegedly doing Wait... Meyer is doing a Khan series? Noooo.... just no. Look guys, I know, Wrath of Khan is one of the best Star Trek movies, but just let it go. There's things in Star Trek beyond Khan and Klingons.
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evilmiera posted:Well why not just glass the surface, what's the point of breaking it? Militarily I mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy2zB8bLSpk&t=25s
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DS9 did have the single space station, once properly equipped, able to literally fight off an entire fleet on its lonesome, and the Defiant being a juggernaut that only went down to overwhelming odds and/or incompetence. I still like that show has a Vorta basically say that engineering is Starfleet's biggest strength, and that makes a lot of sense given how Starfleet technology and tactics are portrayed throughout the show. (and the Dominion's biological weapons are its counterpart; having factories that can pump out super-soldiers and clone your key staff is probably a big strength)
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Inescapable Duck posted:DS9 did have the single space station, once properly equipped, able to literally fight off an entire fleet on its lonesome, and the Defiant being a juggernaut that only went down to overwhelming odds and/or incompetence. Defiant took heavy abuse, but it was largely able to do so by channeling phaser blasts into bridge pyrotechnics; it was always somewhat silly on DS9, but it reached peak absurdity in the series finale when the shields were still fine (as I recall), yet O'Brien was somehow so badly injured at his station on the bridge that he had to be taken to sickbay. Voyager also really overused the exploding bridge panels and plasma conduits in the hallways. I think people forget that this was pretty rare in TNG, and usually only happened when the ship was really getting the poo poo kicked out of it, and even then there were times when it'd be "if we get hit again we're hosed" and there wouldn't have been so much as a sparkler going off on the bridge.
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I like the contrast that both the Federation and the Dominion, on opposite sides of a moral continuum, are both apparently hamstrung by their idealogy. Obviously the Federation have issues since they focus on peace and love and all that jazz, so it takes a while for their tech ability to be leveraged. But the Dominion are just as hosed by being evil autocrats, because they're reliant on holding planets they can produce the drugs their soldiers have been made to be addicted to, and dicking over the Cardassians blows up in their faces.
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I am finally getting around to watching TNG. I don't have a whole lot to say other than it is very good and I can't believe they exploded a dude's head.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Defiant took heavy abuse, but it was largely able to do so by channeling phaser blasts into bridge pyrotechnics; it was always somewhat silly on DS9, but it reached peak absurdity in the series finale when the shields were still fine (as I recall), yet O'Brien was somehow so badly injured at his station on the bridge that he had to be taken to sickbay. The Defiant specifically had heavy physical armour plating in addition to strong shields, iirc. It's basically a Constitution class with everything not meant for wrecking poo poo stripped out and replaced with defenses.
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