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The EU has many institutional problems but in regards to most of Eastern Europe its iron-clad rules are most definitely huge positives. Poland and Hungary would probably be actual fascist states at this stage without EU influence/interference. The EU response to the referendum, a "hard no" to instant Catalan accession, is perfectly rational. And was easily predicted. And its just more proof the Spanish government were fools to try to crush the referendum with jackbooted oppression. If they'd simply launched a large public awareness campaign on economic issues they would have won the referendum peacefully.
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Alright, I made it home in time to watch Puigdemont declare himself Prince of Girona. He may only have a weak claim but the current holder is female and underage. Brace yourselves! I'm also ready to be declared a foreigner by a bunch of clowns on my own loving city! Hooray!
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Ulvino posted:Alright, I made it home in time to watch Puigdemont declare himself Prince of Girona. He may only have a weak claim but the current holder is female and underage. Brace yourselves! If that's not a joke, I want a link.
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Cat Mattress posted:If that's not a joke, I want a link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonor%2C_Princess_of_Asturias?wprov=sfla1 It's only half a joke... I hope. Ulvino fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Theres a lot material for europa universalis jokes. Also staying up to watch this shitshow.3 AM in Australia.
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hump day bitches! posted:Theres a lot material for europa universalis jokes. Go to sleep, it's not worth it. I stayed up for Brexit and Trump and holy poo poo I regretted that
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orange sky posted:Go to sleep, it's not worth it. I stayed up for Brexit and Trump and holy poo poo I regretted that Slept on the afternoon to be fresh
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orange sky posted:Go to sleep, it's not worth it. I stayed up for Brexit and Trump and holy poo poo I regretted that It was all good. I hope it ends up good this time too, with independence for Catalonia.
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Massive, massive bottle job. If Catalan nationalists have anything about them they'll run him out of Barca. What a waste of time. A farce.
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Oct 10, 2017 19:00
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Welp, chicken game over, now what?
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I told you that this will be a repeat of the Greek 2015 drama. Varoufakis book update: He finally introduced the European players. Moscovici, who supports SYRIZA because he was a communist in his youth, Djisselbloem, who is basically Schäuble's padawan, trying to impress his master at every turn, Schäuble, who is economically inept (according to Varoufakis), and some former Torry Finance Minister, who likes the Greeks because he hates the Euro.
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Angry Lobster posted:Welp, chicken game over, now what? He'll probably make another boring rear end speech in a couple of months saying the same thing again.
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I have very low opinion of Covergencia , now PdCat and it just confirmed everything I feel about them.Massive cowards on top of corrupts.Class interests will always trump identity politics in catalonia. Now CUP at least know the score and are willing to pay the price of independence.
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GaussianCopula posted:I told you that this will be a repeat of the Greek 2015 drama. Does Varofakis know how to divide by zero yet?
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Puigdemont has mortally wounded the proces in one dull boring rear end speech, managed to destroy the credibility of the movement, strengthen right wing in spain, ruin any goodwill catalonians had after the repression on the 1O, make a mockery of catalonian rules and laws, the spanish constitution, piss off a bunch of capitalists, ruin his governing coalition, his party, himself and still managed not to declare independence and get 155d. Just brutal.Cowards suffer a 1000 deaths holy poo poo. hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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GaussianCopula posted:I told you that this will be a repeat of the Greek 2015 drama. Not just according to Varoufakis! This here is the Financial Times: quote:In short, Mr Schäuble’s idea of an integrated eurozone involves replicating all the mistakes of the sovereign debt-banking crisis, with a new institution or two to enforce misguided unilateral adjustment on troubled member states from the centre. As spectacular failures to learn from history go, this one is a corker. Also glad Puigdemont appears to have stepped away from the brink, now for Rajoy to screw it all up.
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Shout out to Trapero and all the other political public servants charged with sedition and 5 other counts.I'm sure you'll appreciate your sacrifice being wasted by Puigdemont.Great message sent to future activists. Some guys are going to eat poo poo for the next 16 years in Soto del Real for nothing.
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What an embarrassment. I hope Rajoy sends in the tanks anyway so the whole world can feel like they got something out this mess.
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https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/917851187545821184 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-idUSKBN1CF2VI throw to first DAMN IT fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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throw to first drat IT posted:https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/917851187545821184 wait what the gently caress
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MiddleOne posted:wait what the gently caress I guess it was really short dialogue. Or they wanted to trick the spanish officials into going to bed before doing the declaration. https://twitter.com/BDSixsmith/status/914726837791612928
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throw to first drat IT posted:https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/917851187545821184 It was signed after the parliament meeting so in theory does not have legal value even in Catalonian courts, but then again the current government go does not hold laws in high esteem. (my guess is that it's just a gesture to keep the CUP from murdering him tonight). Aviron fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Aviron posted:It was signed after the parliament meeting so in theory does not have legal value even in Catalonian courts, but then again the current government go does not hold laws in high esteem. (my guess is that it's just a gesture to keep the CUP from murdering him tonight). Yeah, it also says he immediately suspended the effects of whatever it is they signed pending negotiations.
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RIP Syndrome posted:Yeah, it also says he immediately suspended the effects of whatever it is they signed pending negotiations. Americans rejoice! Trump is now the 2nd dumbest "national" leader!
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This is just incredible.He's going to make Rajoy look like a level headed leader
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Haha gently caress I was just having dinner with some colleagues and after checking the news, told them the declaration was suspended so they'll be able to come back to the same country they came from. I guess we'll see tomorrow.
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I've been using Twitter to take the pulse of Catalan nationalists and apparently not declaring independence is a master stroke because it will force Spain to bow to international pressure? Puigdemont is a clown. A time wasting clown.
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Pissflaps posted:I've been using Twitter to take the pulse of Catalan nationalists and apparently not declaring independence is a master stroke because it will force Spain to bow to international pressure? No you dumb twat, it forces to Rajoy to respond to the offer for negotiation, and since he's incapable of compromise his inevitable refusal to talk will lend the declaration of independence legitimacy.
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lollontee posted:No you dumb twat, it forces to Rajoy to respond to the offer for negotiation, and since he's incapable of compromise his inevitable refusal to talk will lend the declaration of independence legitimacy. This is wishful thinking. If Rajoy has managed to develop even an ounce of sense since last Sunday he'll just ignore these theatrics. Nobody else is taking them seriously.
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Oct 10, 2017 23:28
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Image a country actually existing whose declaration of independence can be "suspended" by the government it creates. Maybe Rhodesia?
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lollontee posted:No you dumb twat, it forces to Rajoy to respond to the offer for negotiation, and since he's incapable of compromise his inevitable refusal to talk will lend the declaration of independence legitimacy. The declaration of independence could gain legitimacy by calling snap elections instead of insisting in using the results of a referendum that's less statistically significant than a phone poll. If they actually had a majority, I mean. Pissflaps posted:If Rajoy has managed to develop even an ounce of sense since last Sunday he'll just ignore these theatrics. Oh god he's sending in the tanks isn't he?
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lollontee posted:No you dumb twat, it forces to Rajoy to respond to the offer for negotiation, and since he's incapable of compromise his inevitable refusal to talk will lend the declaration of independence legitimacy. The declaration of independence already had all the legitimacy it was going to get: the Spanish government is not going to back down and Europe has made very clear they don't want to be involved in this mess, but the Catalonian independence movement had the support of both the Catalonian parliament and the general populace. By doing this 'We are independent but we are putting in on hold for negociation but we are totally serious guys, see we are signing papers like in the movies' , Puigdemont has only managed to make all parties unhappy (except Ada Colau, who didn't even know what she wanted either). Aviron fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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I don't get the end plan at all. Seems like thet organised all this to then suspend a non proclaimed independence to have a higher ground while you negotiate ( negotiate what?) an independence. Is it a deliberate attempt to get the EU to declare them independent , to shame the Spanish into submission? Some people are reading a master stroke into this
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hump day bitches! posted:I don't get the end plan at all. I'm not sure what the plan was, but this outcome was obviously not it. That's the thing about brinkmanship, once in a while the other party will call your bluff and you'll look like an idiot.
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Freezer posted:I'm not sure what the plan was, but this outcome was obviously not it. That's the thing about brinkmanship, once in a while the other party will call your bluff and you'll look like an idiot. They think they can shame the country that keeps a cool 200k corpses in mass graves into giving them independence.And are confident this is a master plan.
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