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akadajet posted:It doesn't help that the "metro" design language really didn't translate well outside of the Zune player. the cut off words looked kinda stupid, but the wp7/7.5 variant actually worked really well at the time. the hub concept was pretty functional and the clean/simple live tiles were usable without being cluttered.
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pram posted:actually the reason winpho series 10 phone for windows phone failed is because it doesnt have a keyboard so its not a good email machine jim balsillie, is that you?
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Oct 10, 2017 18:44
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akadajet posted:It doesn't help that the "metro" design language really didn't translate well outside of the Zune player. all office apps do this now and it's really annoying yea yea you can change it but just lol at having to cj your loving menu bar
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Oct 10, 2017 18:48
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flakeloaf posted:all office apps do this now and it's really annoying lmao stebe was right
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Oct 10, 2017 18:49
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infernal machines posted:jim balsillie, is that you? it's jim balsillie and mike lazaridis stacked on top of one another wearing a trenchcoat
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Oct 10, 2017 18:59
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flakeloaf posted:all office apps do this now and it's really annoying eh? office 2013 had that, 2016 & the o365 version have normal looking tab names by default tho
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Oct 10, 2017 19:00
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I cant imagine having the autism levels required to get angry at the all caps menus in vs
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infernal machines posted:eh? hm, we're still stuck with 13 because government lol
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Oct 10, 2017 19:08
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it was a cool idea but nobody wanted their apps to integrate w/ it cause that would mean lower BRAND ENGAGEMENT
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Oct 10, 2017 19:11
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flakeloaf posted:hm, we're still stuck with 13 because government lol lol, you should be thankful you have 2013 i'm p. sure there's some depts still running 2007/2010
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Oct 10, 2017 19:19
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Grassy Knowles posted:it's jim balsillie and mike lazaridis stacked on top of one another wearing a trenchcoat can you imagine that body in a bathing suit?
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Oct 10, 2017 19:47
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Shaggar posted:it was a cool idea but nobody wanted their apps to integrate w/ it cause that would mean lower BRAND ENGAGEMENT 20 years after companies stopped using native widgets os vendors still haven't figured this out
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Oct 10, 2017 20:02
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Shaggar posted:it was a cool idea but nobody wanted their apps to integrate w/ it cause that would mean lower BRAND ENGAGEMENT no, it would mean that some arbitrary decision made in a point release of the os could destroy your entire business while a self-contained app would keep working
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Oct 10, 2017 20:06
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nah it was that it would only support features users wanted vs features the app wanted like ads or tracking.
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:can you imagine that body in a bathing suit? im still trying to figure out how mike got jim to be the legs in the arrangement
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:looking up to the example set by equifax microsoft decided to also just stop bothering with their flagship product
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Oct 11, 2017 00:30
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qirex posted:unofficial microsoft pr company the verge has a sloppy drunk love letter about how win pho was a "glorious failure" that just happens to gloss over the fact that it was half baked when it came out and basically blames google for not making a youtube app and not, say, the three different sets of dev tools and architecture three times in four years with no upgrade path for devices effectively punishing all their early adopters this has got me thinking. what's the oldest iPhone app that's still supported in the App Store?
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Oct 11, 2017 03:15
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Rex-Goliath posted:this has got me thinking. what's the oldest iPhone app that's still supported in the App Store? afaict until ios 11 they had never broken compatibility
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:afaict until ios 11 they had never broken compatibility not just by apple but by the developer as well. so i guess yeah- now in ios11 what's the oldest app that's been upgraded to 64bit
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Rex-Goliath posted:not just by apple but by the developer as well. so i guess yeah- now in ios11 what's the oldest app that's been upgraded to 64bit i mean, ebay was an app store launch app. i believe evernote was as well
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Rex-Goliath posted:not just by apple but by the developer as well. so i guess yeah- now in ios11 what's the oldest app that's been upgraded to 64bit well the lack of needed support from developers is kind of important microsoft abandoned two platforms in three years. meanwhile iOS apps written in 2008 work without modification or recompilation on iOS 10.x devices that's a major reason iOS is a dominant platform with decade long support histories for individual apps, and winphone is a footnote in history
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Oct 11, 2017 04:39
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:well the lack of needed support from developers is kind of important yeah I know I'm just curious for exactly that reason: it highlights the stark contrast in support between the two platforms. like that old chart that compared iOS vs android and how long each phone was able to remain on the most up to date OS. I think whoever made that chart gave up on refreshing it only halfway into the 4s's life
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Oct 11, 2017 04:43
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duTrieux. posted:all they had to do was literally not abandon entire generations of the device twice in a row nah what they needed was to get in a time machine and undo decades of mismanagement that made most people hate their brand
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Oct 11, 2017 05:13
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also winpho sucked. it's incredible it has apologists on here. the performance was fine but live tiles sucked horribly
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Oct 11, 2017 05:14
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Boiled Water posted:i wonder when the surface line of products will be discontinued in favor of almost the same kind of tablets. have the surfaces even attempted binary compatibility from one version to the next?
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Oct 11, 2017 05:21
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qirex posted:yeah “it’s like android except it costs money and nobody uses it” wasn’t a super good value proposition to companies making like $3/phone, they might have had a chance if it was free for oems from day 1 didn't they also try to use patent license fees on devices running Android to incent OEMs to support their OS? I seem to remember reading somewhere that MS makes more per Android device than Google at initial sale.
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Amethyst posted:also winpho sucked. it's incredible it has apologists on here. the performance was fine but live tiles sucked horribly why are you using past tense with live tiles? they are still alive in the world's most advanced hybrid desktop/mobile operating system, windows 10.
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Wheany posted:why are you using past tense with live tiles? they are still alive in the world's most advanced hybrid desktop/mobile operating system, windows 10. yeah and the first thing anyone does is delete them all. does ANYONE pop open the start menu to check the weather or top tweets or whatever bullshit they're meant for?
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eschaton posted:have the surfaces even attempted binary compatibility from one version to the next? what? the surfaces pro run x86 natively, the discontinued arm surface models (all two of them) ran arm compiled binaries (with a ms signature) and anything from the app store* e: *well, anything before ms allowed x86 only software on the app store, iirc, around the time they ditched the arm surface line infernal machines fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Amethyst posted:also winpho sucked. it's incredible it has apologists on here. the performance was fine but live tiles sucked horribly
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live tiles hold the same value as windows 10 free
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lol three pages of people debating why windows phone failed and not a single person mentioning the obvious which is that when anyone normal hears the word "windows" they instantly know its a piece of poo poo the only way it couldve had a chance wouldve been to never associate microsoft or any of its branding with it in any way and sell them as nokias and then theyd still have to not tear down the entire platform twice in three years
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LastInLine posted:when anyone normal hears the word "windows" they instantly know its a piece of poo poo winpho marketing was also p lol. remember the early campaign that was built around how winpho encouraged you not to use your smartphone and that was a good thing?
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FMguru posted:winpho marketing was also p lol. remember the early campaign that was built around how winpho encouraged you not to use your smartphone and that was a good thing? the marketing boys were right on this one, being glued to your phone is awful
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FMguru posted:windows is pretty much toxic as a consumer brand and has been ever since the malwarepalooza that was early versions of xp followed by the vista and 8 disasters and the fact that windows is synonymous with work which is synonymous with a creaky black plastic laptop that runs like a three legged dog and doesnt connect to webex half the time and you dont bother to fix it because 1) gently caress webex and 2) you dont want to deal with the weird smelling it guy who wears nothing but my little pony shirts to work and giggles to himself its exactly this and whats worse microsoft knows that to be the case remember all the advertising for "yeah we know internet explorer was a terrible shitpile but try it now"? its just like dominos pizza where if the primary thrust of your argument is how lovely you used to be but were better now guess what youre still lovely
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At least this has taught us there is a limit to how much money MS are willing to pour down a hole when it's not labeled xbox.
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Oct 11, 2017 06:51
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Fiedler posted:The downside to live tiles vs static icons being...? having them moving is distracting and lovely looking. it's also inconsistent. i know exactly what the news icon looks like on the ios home screen. It could look like anything on winpho
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FMguru posted:windows is pretty much toxic as a consumer brand and has been ever since the malwarepalooza that was early versions of xp followed by the vista and 8 disasters and the fact that windows is synonymous with work people hated Windows well before XP Windows was always what you got because you couldn't afford a Mac, or because your company was too cheap to outfit you with a Mac, not something you actually chose because you wanted it the existence of people like Shaggar is a relatively recent phenomenon, they only really started appearing in the wild around 2004 or so, prior to that every last one of them wound up working at MS
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