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Never trust a revolutionary who books his events on fuckin Facebook
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HEY NONG MAN posted:Never trust a revolutionary who books his events on fuckin Facebook So, all of them?
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Oct 10, 2017 21:36
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Why, because it's a corporate tool or something? For better or worse, it's the main organizing platform for protests and so on these days. Also, those are teachers unions who organized this, not Marxist revolutionary cadres.
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Oct 10, 2017 21:44
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I realize the distinction may be lost on some, however.
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Oct 10, 2017 21:49
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Because FB stuff is actively monitored by cops, feds, and white supremacists looking for appealing targets. edit: but I repeat myself
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Oct 10, 2017 21:52
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Reene posted:Because FB stuff is actively monitored by cops, feds, and white supremacists looking for appealing targets. I think if the whole PRISM debacle has shown us anything, it's that most electronic communications can pretty much be ruled out as compromised. Nothing's going to be won in this age without mass mobilization, and mass mobilization is probably not going to happen if people are all using just Signal or snail mail or word of mouth to organize. Also, if the state decides it's time to start cracking down, I highly doubt the use of Facebook is going to be the line between a bad outcome and a worse outcome for the vast majority of people. That being said, if you are someone who is particularly vulnerable to being targeted by any of those entities, particularly non-state white supremacists, you don't exactly have to have an account to get the basic facts from some event someone posted. And you would be smart not to. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 22:02
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Sure talk about crazy DeVos pants on fire. Perfect example. Go protest that garbage, they are the worst. They want to cut public education and subsidise private schools, presumably because someone is allowed to own those and profit off of it. Deserved outrage! Meanwhile our local government cut mental health services spending in King county by over fifteen million dollars last month. They unironically claimed they did it by accident like it was spilled apple juice or something. FantasticExtrusion fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 22:06
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Mr. Lobe posted:Never trust a revolutionary without a sense of humor. At worst they are unhinged, and at best, you don't win people over to radical politics by being a stick in the mud. No, you're right. As a Russian that's actually from the former Soviet Union it is pretty funny to see young American kids fly the hammer and sickle while creating vegan and gluten free versions of Russian food. (not even being facetious, it really does make me chuckle)
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Oct 10, 2017 22:48
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Soarer posted:No, you're right. As a Russian that's actually from the former Soviet Union it is pretty funny to see young American kids fly the hammer and sickle while creating vegan and gluten free versions of Russian food. (not even being facetious, it really does make me chuckle) You are even finding the same thing happening in parts of Russia, times changed.
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Oct 10, 2017 22:52
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Ardennes posted:That only goes so far though, it can improve some local traffic issues and increase density but at the end of the day, you are going to have a lot of commuters needing to go somewhere. There have been attempts at "decentralizing" CBDs but you still get plenty of cross-traffic that bogs down roadways. At the end of the day, you are going to have tons of people going across town. quote:Also, the US especially doesn't seem to do small markets well, either it is some type of convenience store/liquor store or a full-scale supermarket. I live outside of the states and I have to say I appreciate being able to go to a local store and being able to get 80-90% of what I need. quote:Portland has been on the forefront of mixed-use and bike use, but it hasn't helped with the amount of growth the city has seen (and that's even considering that Portland has one of the best mass-transit cities for a city of its size). quote:Ideally, in other countries, you should have some type of high capacity transit with its own right of way within about .5-.75 miles of most of the population (this is obviously not the case in the states but it gives you an idea.) Cicero fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 23:24
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Soarer posted:No, you're right. As a Russian that's actually from the former Soviet Union it is pretty funny to see young American kids fly the hammer and sickle while creating vegan and gluten free versions of Russian food. (not even being facetious, it really does make me chuckle) The hammer and sickle pre-dates the Soviet Union by a few years. If it makes you feel better, I will be drinking Cuba Libres all night in honor of Che, may he rest in power.
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Oct 11, 2017 01:49
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man you'd be coming off a lot better if you didn't keep saying poo poo like FantasticExtrusion posted:It's hypocritical to welcome everyone, even homeless heroin addicts, but to say to someone who picked themselves up and pays the rent: "you're garbage."
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Oct 11, 2017 03:02
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But also: he is garbage
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Oct 11, 2017 06:40
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FantasticExtrusion posted:It's hypocritical to welcome everyone, even homeless heroin addicts, but to say to someone who picked themselves up and pays the rent: "you're garbage." Homeless heroin addicts are way cooler than people who think like this
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Oct 11, 2017 06:55
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Cicero posted:For sure, and I'm not suggesting walking and biking can replace good transit, but they are complementary (way better to get people to transit station by foot/bike than by car). It is a start, but I do think we really need to think about how to open up access to transit (with their own ROWs). Much of it comes down to simply money and politics, but that is precisely the reason I am more than a little downbeat on the subject. quote:You're not wrong and I agree completely (I'm actually in Munich now), but I think the reason it hasn't been done well that often is precisely because mixed use is so rare and low density residential (that's also hostile to walking) is so common. You definitely see plenty of smaller, effective grocery stores in NYC, so it's not like something Americans just can't do. In NYC you do have bodegas (although I would say they still relatively skimp on fresh food), but I have been surprised how few new developments in Portland have small markets. Most of the time the commercial space is taken by a coffee places/bars/restaurants. That isn't bad but it would help to have something a bit more functional. quote:Portland still has most of its residential land zoned strictly for just SFHs, doesn't it? And the new mixed-use additions seems to have mostly been like larger buildings on arterials. Better than most of the states but still kind of a half effort. There is infill that is coming (against plenty of local opposition), but I can see why there is resistance, for residents infill largely means a decrease in the quality of life (even though I believe density is necessary). Also, most neighborhoods still only have access to infrequent bus routes. One big issue with the Max (light rail) is it generally took the lowest cost option which is to generally follow freeways and freight rail ROWs, which means stops are almost always in the middle of nowhere. The Streetcar is generally too limited to really touch many residential neighborhoods and is mostly a tourist/commercial circulator. Basically, how do you fix the chicken and egg situation when you need more density for rail but you need rail to service those neighborhoods. quote:It's funny, in the US people have been pooh poohing streetcars as effective transit, but I just visited Prague which relies on them very heavily and it seemed to work great, even without dedicated lanes. It seemed like they were able to get way more people within easy walking distance of frequent, decent transit that way since streetcars are vastly cheaper than separated grade rail. But it probably wouldn't work at the population densities most US cities are at for most of their neighborhoods, you'd really need some upzones. Granted, streetcars in Prague work so well because they are generally going through residential neighborhoods in close proximity to each other. Also, you can generally get to the center in 30-45 minutes by a streetcar, sometimes faster than traffic (depending on the time of day). Prague also has a metro system on top of that. I think a big difference is simply direct post-war trajectories. Czechoslovakia (and Czechia) went with the rest of Europe (and especially the Warsaw pact) of large-scale public housing in the place of American-style suburbs, and most people live in relatively close proximity to the old historic core. In many ways, it was more efficient but obviously came at the cost of personal space and privacy. That said, I live in Moscow, a city more or less designed the same way...just on a macro-scale. It is hard not to appreciate it especially when you get your app(s) working and realize how many options you have for transit, and how much it is designed so somehow can get across a town of its size in an hour without a car. It is almost always quicker to transit any time around rush hour. In some ways I think the US was a bit of a victim of our success, we had the oil, we had the money and we had the space so there was nothing stopping us from developing a nearly entirely car-centric culture, but unfortunately we are now starting to really pay for it as the efficiency of that system is starting to seriously erode. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 08:13
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ElCondemn posted:Sure, in theory it's a reasonable idea, but how long will the average low income household be waiting before the death vans show up for them? White suburbia will probably be getting purged left and right while minorities get ignored yet again. Every year kill the richest 1%.
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Oct 11, 2017 11:38
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A group of protesters chained themselves up in front of the gates into the ICE facility in SE Portland today. PPD is starting to move in. Live updates: https://twitter.com/dougbrown8/status/918252440448667648
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Oct 12, 2017 01:35
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https://twitter.com/NLG_Portland/status/918282474383224832
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Oct 12, 2017 02:37
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Reene posted:A group of protesters chained themselves up in front of the gates into the ICE facility in SE Portland today. PPD is starting to move in. Live updates: So the police are coming to take away the people who appear to be wearing hat's. ICE, caps disappearing.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:38
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It's been clarified in other tweets, but those aren't DHS putting hoods and earmuffs on protesters, those are Portland Police. Probably because PPB has jurisdiction on the sidewalk.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:39
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Oh goddamn it just replace my previous pun to this picture.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:39
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Why in the gently caress are they being hooded?
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Oct 12, 2017 02:48
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Solkanar512 posted:Why in the gently caress are they being hooded? Supposedly so they don't get hurt by noise or sparks while they use a tool to cut the chains.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:52
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Solkanar512 posted:Why in the gently caress are they being hooded? Probably to protect them from sparks flying off the saw they're going to use to cut them loose. The ear muffs are so they don't go deaf.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:52
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Solkanar512 posted:Why in the gently caress are they being hooded?
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Oct 12, 2017 02:56
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Why do they need power tools? Standard 3/8" chain or even half inch long link a pair of big bolt cutters will go through pretty easily.
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Oct 12, 2017 03:30
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BrandorKP posted:Why do they need power tools? That doesn't debase and frighten people though
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Oct 12, 2017 03:40
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Yeah that's what I was thinking.
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Oct 12, 2017 03:50
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https://twitter.com/dirquez/status/918305913982746625
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Oct 12, 2017 04:36
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BrandorKP posted:Why do they need power tools? Their hands are cuffed together inside PVC pipes. e: wiki
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Oct 12, 2017 04:38
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Ok that makes sense. That's a neat trick. Yeah one would need power tools to cut that safely.
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Oct 12, 2017 05:15
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Except per the NLG and Doug Brown who was there taking pictures of the process, there were no power tools being used. There was nothing there causing noise or throwing sparks at all. There was no reason for hoods and earmuffs.
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Oct 12, 2017 05:21
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Those hoods are flash hoods. Any links to images of it being cut?
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Oct 12, 2017 05:50
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If they were actually using power tools, not giving them earpro would've been a gigantic dick move. Grinders are fuckin loud. If they weren't though then wtf.
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Oct 12, 2017 05:57
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https://twitter.com/dougbrown8/status/918328522715815936
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Oct 12, 2017 07:26
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Javid posted:If they were actually using power tools, not giving them earpro would've been a gigantic dick move. Grinders are fuckin loud.
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Oct 12, 2017 08:16
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It's theater to dehumanize people who are literally protecting the humanity of their fellow human beings.
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Oct 12, 2017 08:17
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pvc pipe cutters do not create sparks or loud noises
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Oct 12, 2017 08:39
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WE ARE ACTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH CAUTELARY JURISPRUDENCE; TO RESOLVE THIS INCIDENT CITIZEN PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED. 
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HEY NONG MAN posted:It's theater to dehumanize people who are literally protecting the humanity of their fellow human beings. Every cop interaction is about asserting their dominance and power, I think they did it to scare these people as a "power move".
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