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got any sevens posted:nafta's dying so england couldnt join it anyway i think the tactic of stalling for time until trump gets bored/impeached/forgets the whole thing is going to work
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platzapS posted:I was at the Democratic Socialists of America national convention a couple months ago and when people were drunk they'd burst into "ohh Jeremy Corbyn" chants. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/43d38w/are-we-witnessing-the-rise-of-the-woke-lad I quite liked this article which talks a bit about how a lot of the 'culty' stuff is quite tongue in cheek.
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I'm pretty sure half the fun of doing it is because it makes the Tories really, incredibly mad and scared.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I'm pretty sure half the fun of doing it is because it makes the Tories really, incredibly mad and scared. the tory getting upset about glastonbury festival and talking about starting their own conservative festival was real good
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Jose posted:the tory getting upset about glastonbury festival and talking about starting their own conservative festival was real good Particularly as they did it and the basic conclusion was 'young people* hate us. poo poo.' *under 47
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These polls saying labour are ahead should make you worry, british pollsters are never right.
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Jose posted:the tory getting upset about glastonbury festival and talking about starting their own conservative festival was real good he started 'tory glastonbury' which consisted of about 50 people and a PowerPoint presentation
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Oct 11, 2017 11:21
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The cult of personality talking point is spread by people scared that young people like a politician.
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UrbicaMortis posted:https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/43d38w/are-we-witnessing-the-rise-of-the-woke-lad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXF8MIG_HQI
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it'd be funny to see lads/frats be leftist while nerds plummet further into nazism
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Oct 11, 2017 11:46
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If Corbs died and got replaced by someone else that seemed halfway legit with the same policies very little would change, 'Ohhh Emily Thornb'ry!' or whatever would still get the odd chant. Part of why the Cult Of Corbyn idea is getting pushed so hard is because the right wing would really, really like it to be true. A load of enthusiastic, smart, charismatic and angry young people supporting the policies not the the politician scares them much more than the jam man himself.
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Vitamin P posted:If Corbs died and got replaced by someone else that seemed halfway legit with the same policies very little would change, 'Ohhh Emily Thornb'ry!' or whatever would still get the odd chant. Yeah, I like Corbyn but I don't want the movement to be about him because it'll fall apart after him, which isn't long away. Also if we're ranking potential replacements, Thornberry is good but my fave right now is Rayner.
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The same Angela Rayner that kicked off the ill-fated leadership challenge? Can't see that going well...
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tarbrush posted:The same Angela Rayner that kicked off the ill-fated leadership challenge? Can't see that going well... Wasn't that Angela Eagle?
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Remember when the boy said he wouldn't vaporize millions of people in nuclear hellfire and people lost their poo poo? lol
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tarbrush posted:The same Angela Rayner that kicked off the ill-fated leadership challenge? Can't see that going well... That's Angela Eagle you are thinking of. Rayner has been in the Shadow team since January 2016.
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Frijolero posted:Remember when the boy said he wouldn't vaporize millions of people in nuclear hellfire and people lost their poo poo? lol someone post all those angry bald red faced old men
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Vitamin P posted:Part of why the Cult Of Corbyn idea is getting pushed so hard is because the right wing would really, really like it to be true. A load of enthusiastic, smart, charismatic and angry young people supporting the policies not the the politician scares them much more than the jam man himself. It's incredibly funny to watch the right-wing get increasingly panicked about the fact that the british youth (i.e pretty much everyone under 40) is turning socialist extremely quickly and they literally have nothing to offer to change their minds because they're intellectually bankrupt
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Oct 11, 2017 15:22
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im gonna go to my local momentum meeting cause a sad centrist told me thats where all the hot people are
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MikeCrotch posted:It's incredibly funny to watch the right-wing get increasingly panicked about the fact that the british youth (i.e pretty much everyone under 40) is turning socialist extremely quickly and they literally have nothing to offer to change their minds because they're intellectually bankrupt B-but Moggmentum! I get why people are worried about a complete idiot like Mogg or BOZZA LEGERND getting in after May inevitably collapses into a pile of haunted ashes but lol if Labour won't just tapdance all over them. Their dumb memey popularity can't last in the face of their raw incompetence I hope, the British public continues to be loving stupid.
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posting to say that i would love to see jeremy corbyn smooch jacob rees mogg eastern european style
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someone post the liberal crying jezza points to a bird 'nationalized' tweet pls
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MikeCrotch posted:It's incredibly funny to watch the right-wing get increasingly panicked about the fact that the british youth (i.e pretty much everyone under 40) is turning socialist extremely quickly and they literally have nothing to offer to change their minds because they're intellectually bankrupt It's especially hilarious because, by and large, young people are less inclined towards stuff like nationalisation than their elders. Although interestingly when polled, young people tended to disapprove of royal mail privatisation more than stuff like rail, probably because it happened recently as opposed to decades ago. I think if the Tories built some houses so everyone under 50 could actually get a home and stopped talking about citizens of nowhere, they'd probably do ok. Thankfully they're not because they love the free market too much and I'm hopeful that if Labour get the chance to implement successful socialist policies, you will see more people move towards the ideology generally. I hope so anyway. It would be kind of a bummer if Labour fix the housing market and then all the new homeowners vote conservative in full FYGM style.
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Thornberry, like Gardiner, happens to be pragmatic and smart enough to know which way the wind's blowing under Corbyn. She's not the kind of politician you want to replace him...
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It isn't enough to just have a platform, Corbyn also has an authenticity that's genuinely endearing, and the socialist bonafides to prove that he's serious about his agenda. Despite not having what we'd usually consider charisma or a gift of gab, he's extremely likeable. Honestly I was incredibly shocked by how effective of a campaigner he was since I hadn't paid much attention to British politics before except for Scotland and I thought labor was dead after 2015. It was really that response to the small business guy who expecting to be sucked off as usual that really sealed the deal for me since he countered his points with a sincere appeal to the common good.
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Thornberry's pretty good, she's not a windsock like Burnham.
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Lawman 0 posted:Honestly I was incredibly shocked by how effective of a campaigner he was since I hadn't paid much attention to British politics before except for Scotland and I thought labor was dead after 2015. It was really that response to the small business guy who expecting to be sucked off as usual that really sealed the deal for me since he countered his points with a sincere appeal to the common good. link to what yr referring to
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MikeCrotch posted:Thornberry's pretty good, she's not a windsock like Burnham. Thornberry is a good, charismatic politician, but she is also a millionaire landlord from the soft-left of the party, I'm skeptical to say the least she'd have the convictions to push through a socialist agenda against establishment opposition the same way Corbyn and McDonnell have. Hopefully Corbyn will serve at least one full five year term anyway, by then the field of credible socialist candidates should have expanded significantly.
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Lawman 0 posted:Honestly I was incredibly shocked by how effective of a campaigner he was since I hadn't paid much attention to British politics before except for Scotland and I thought labor was dead after 2015. It was really that response to the small business guy who expecting to be sucked off as usual that really sealed the deal for me since he countered his points with a sincere appeal to the common good. I think Corbyn and Bernie get underestimated because they're old, scruffy looking idealists, but there's no better campaigners or canvassers than scruffy idealists. Centrists and wonks get all the favorable media attention, and they look professional, but that doesn't necessarily win elections.
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Frijolero posted:Centrists and wonks get all the favorable media attention, and they look professional, but that doesn't necessarily win elections. Data driven campaigns always come off as insincere because you can tell they're triangulating their position for the broadest possible appeal (according to polling results).
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forkboy84 posted:That's Angela Eagle you are thinking of. Rayner has been in the Shadow team since January 2016. poo poo. Was Rayner the one that got the Maybot so angry she dropped her papers today? If so, completely agree.
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bump_fn posted:someone post the liberal crying jezza points to a bird 'nationalized' tweet pls https://twitter.com/aliceavizandum/status/875665911952416768?lang=en
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tarbrush posted:poo poo. Was Rayner the one that got the Maybot so angry she dropped her papers today? If so, completely agree. That was Heidi Alexander who was the first front bencher to resign in the coup that led to Angela Eagle and Owen Smith's leadership challenges and was a co-chair of Smith's. The only time she should be in the leader's office is when Corbyn shakes her hand and gives his condolences after she fails to win reselection in 2022.
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corbyn's refusal to give obeisance to the death cult after the terrorist attack was the high point of the campaign imo
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Bryter posted:That was Heidi Alexander who was the first front bencher to resign in the coup that led to Angela Eagle and Owen Smith's leadership challenges and was a co-chair of Smith's. Followed a minute later by Seamus Milne shooting her in the back of the head with a Tokarev over an open grave
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MikeCrotch posted:Followed a minute later by Seamus Milne shooting her in the back of the head with a Tokarev over an open grave Don't be ridiculous. In accordance with party democracy she'll obviously be shot by a firing squad elected from amongst her CLP.
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Peel posted:corbyn's refusal to give obeisance to the death cult after the terrorist attack was the high point of the campaign imo I thought that attack was going to sink labour and then the police cuts narrative took hold
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Jose posted:I thought that attack was going to sink labour and then the police cuts narrative took hold the tories being so austerity focused they cut the security state, a line even the most insane republicans won't cross is loving lol all around
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