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Jaxyon posted:Leftists, liberals, centrists, and alt-right trolls. loving lol if your actually putting effort into the arguments you make here (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MizPiz posted:loving lol if your actually putting effort into the arguments you make here loving lol if you're attempting to try and feel superior to a message board you post on
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I'm mainly disappointed because it's such a missed opportunity to really look tough and serious and strong at no cost to themselves. They really dropped the ball on getting ahead of this scandal, the first anyone should have heard of it should have been Obama wearing a Weinstein-skin hat to back up his speech on how gravely disappointed he was with HW's actions. It'd show the American public that the Democrats are serious politicians, that they're not to be hosed with, and it'd serve as a sufficiently intimidating display to keep the donor class in line.
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MizPiz posted:loving lol if your actually putting effort into the arguments you make here *you're
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Oct 11, 2017 19:00
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Democrats spent more effort promoting Obama killing a fly, than stopping Weinstein's terror.
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Condiv posted:that's pretty hosed up of you to say jc. not surprising considering the racist poo poo you've said in defense of dems before Condic i am on your sude. Once again JC is being a racist. But you have no proof of your claims. This isn't like the Clintons.
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Condic i am on your sude.
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botany posted:Condic i am on your sude. it's the thought that counts edit: removed accidental derogatory slang 
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Oct 11, 2017 19:03
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Condiv posted:that's pretty hosed up of you to say jc. not surprising considering the racist poo poo you've said in defense of dems before Pretty hosed up for you to accuse the people calling out racism of being the real racists, but this isn't the first time. I'm sorry that you don't understand how your crazy unfounded accusations about obama's character and motivations interact with his race to reinforce ugly stereotypes.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:05
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JeffersonClay posted:Pretty hosed up for you to accuse the people calling out racism of being the real racists, but this isn't the first time. it might help if i had suggested any such thing about obama. too bad you were too busy trying to say racist poo poo huh?
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Condiv posted:it's the thot that counts Whoa, I don't think you are supposed to call people that. Women are people, Condiv. JeffersonClay posted:Pretty hosed up for you to accuse the people calling out racism of being the real racists, but this isn't the first time. Injecting racism into other people's words that isn't there isn't "calling out" anything bud. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 19:07
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Nevvy Z posted:Whoa, I don't think you are supposed to call people that. whoa. i literally did not know about that slang 
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Oct 11, 2017 19:09
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Jaxyon posted:Leftists, liberals, centrists, and alt-right trolls. It's not, it's a place where one point of view clearly dominates, to the point that the other is not even present, it makes no sense to use the argument of "what if the opposition sees us arguing" when the opposition isn't present. According to this logic nobody should ever admit any fault under any circumstances.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:13
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There's no racism in the suggestion a black man, obsequiously loyal to the white oppressor, would give his daughter to a white rapist in order to eke out a little more financial benefit, no sir. That's certainly not anything like the Uncle Tom archetype, not at all. It is in fact very racist to suggest such an outrageous connection. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 11, 2017 19:14
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Imagine a Dem party convention where nobody can talk about reforming the internal structures because doubting their efficacy is a bad look.
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JeffersonClay posted:There's no racism in the suggestion a black man, obsequiously loyal to the white oppressor, would give his daughter to a white rapist in order to eke out a little more financial benefit, no sir. That's certainly not anything like the Uncle Tom archetype, not at all. It is in fact very racist to suggest such an outrageous connection. truly it would be the first time in history a child was placed under the authority of a pervert it's a sign of privilege that nobody in obama's circle felt like digging into the past of the man who would be associated with his family members even though there were objectively thousands of people with first or second hand knowledge that something was afoot it's a sign of oligarchy that the donor and political classes are intertwined in an incestuous freak show steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 19:16
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steinrokkan posted:Imagine a Dem party convention where nobody can talk about reforming the internal structures because doubting their efficacy is a bad look. The centrist ideal world.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:17
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steinrokkan posted:It's not, it's a place where one point of view clearly dominates, to the point that the other is not even present, it makes no sense to use the argument of "what if the opposition sees us arguing" when the opposition isn't present. According to this logic nobody should ever admit any fault under any circumstances. Especially when we have a vast avalanche of recent examples to the contrary that refute the implication that a party debating itself somehow weakens it. If anything it draws people in, either to see the spectacle, see if the party has a chance of reforming, or if the party is holding to its integrity. JeffersonClay posted:There's no racism in the suggestion a black man, obsequiously loyal to the white oppressor, would give his daughter to a white rapist in order to eke out a little more financial benefit, no sir. That's certainly not anything like the Uncle Tom archetype, not at all. It is in fact very racist to suggest such an outrageous connection. It's a good thing that he never said he 'gave his daughter' to Weinstein. Only that her interning for him suggests a level of closeness that doesn't fit with "anonymous hollywoodite donor" I don't even think Obama is important to Weinstein making democrats look bad, but at least be honest with your retorts.
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Jesus. Now I know why USPOL is always closed. might as well get it over with and move this chat to the thunderdome.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:19
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JeffersonClay posted:There's no racism in the suggestion a black man, obsequiously loyal to the white oppressor, would give his daughter to a white rapist in order to eke out a little more financial benefit, no sir. That's certainly not anything like the Uncle Tom archetype, not at all. It is in fact very racist to suggest such an outrageous connection. it'd help if i actually suggested that too bad you were in such a rush to make racist posts that you forgot to check that i did!
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it turns out the second there is anything to either debate or discuss people demand debate and discussion cease real fuckin' hard
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steinrokkan posted:It's not, it's a place where one point of view clearly dominates, to the point that the other is not even present, it makes no sense to use the argument of "what if the opposition sees us arguing" when the opposition isn't present. According to this logic nobody should ever admit any fault under any circumstances. Yeah D&D where nobody disagrees on anything and is a hive mind.
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah D&D where nobody disagrees on anything and is a hive mind. I don't think that's true.
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah D&D where nobody disagrees on anything and is a hive mind. It is a good thing when there is conflict among like minded people. A party with no factionalism is a farce. The point is, the conflicts here do not in any shape or form reflect the conflicts in society as a whole, they take place on a tiny little segment of the spectrum.
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Angry_Ed posted:Yes you're right only Democrats ever nurtured a relationship with Weinstein. Oh wait, no. This is one of those funny "so close yet so far" posts.
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steinrokkan posted:It is a good thing when there is conflict among like minded people. A party with no factionalism is a farce. The point is, the conflicts here do not in any shape or form reflect the conflicts in society as a whole, they take place on a tiny little segment of the spectrum. Is it this segment?
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Oct 11, 2017 19:29
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Condiv posted:it'd help if i actually suggested that People should keep in mind that ambitious kids and parents kept competing for internships and jobs with Berlusconi and his corps even years into his very public stint as a manwhore, child molester and a serial rapist.
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Sadly, corruption in politics is expected, but this makes them look weak and out of touch. I mean, it's basically the age of strongman politics - dramatic gestures to demonstrate strength are what counts in this day and age.
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Ytlaya posted:This is one of those funny "so close yet so far" posts. Funny how certain people here are only worried about the rapist who gave money to a political party vs. the party of rapists running the government. Funny how certain people here are perfectly fine with adopting republican arguments designed to depress Democrat turnout and distract from the usual GOP fuckery.
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steinrokkan posted:It is a good thing when there is conflict among like minded people. A party with no factionalism is a farce. The point is, the conflicts here do not in any shape or form reflect the conflicts in society as a whole, they take place on a tiny little segment of the spectrum. It depends on what the conflict is. Some conflicts that happen here are pretty broad. I don't see people in this conversation talking about Maoism vs Hoxhaism right now they were talking about non-republicans adopting republican framing which is indeed a larger problem outside of a message board. But some folks are trying to present themselves as the adults in the room by saying it's only a message board like that's a hot take
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okay somebody explain horseshoe theory to me. i see it referenced a lot but i never saw an explanation for it.
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Angry_Ed posted:Funny how certain people here are only worried about the rapist who gave money to a political party vs. the party of rapists running the government. Publicly exorcizing the rapists out of the former party will help remove the latter party from power.
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Jaxyon posted:It depends on what the conflict is. Some conflicts that happen here are pretty broad. It's not a right wing framing, it just happens to be an issue that the right wing exploits, and the left has to tackle as a problem. Talking about this poo poo helps ensure it won't happen again and won't provide the right wing with ammo. Deal with the fact that nobody and nothing is above criticism.
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Majorian posted:Getting the rapists out of the former party will help remove the latter party from power. Which you will not accomplish by adopting GOP messaging tactics. Stop feeding their narrative, it's as simple as that.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:32
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botany posted:okay somebody explain horseshoe theory to me. i see it referenced a lot but i never saw an explanation for it. It's bunk. But people get mad about it. Sometimes leftists get crazy ideas that randomly align with right wing ideas. Sometimes leftists adopt right wing arguments against Democrats uncritically when they shouldn't. Sometimes literally insane people are just insane. Horseshoe theory says that "extremism" on either side is just like extremism on the other, so let's not eat rich.
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So am I supposed to believe there are big money donors that aren't sketchy af? If you got rid of all the criminals who would fund our democracy?!
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steinrokkan posted:It's not a right wing framing, it just happens to be an issue that the right wing exploits, and the left has to tackle as a problem. Talking about this poo poo helps ensure it won't happen again and won't provide the right wing with ammo. OK how does that not apply outside of a message board?
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Nevvy Z posted:It's bunk. But people get mad about it. well that sounds dumb as hell.
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botany posted:okay somebody explain horseshoe theory to me. i see it referenced a lot but i never saw an explanation for it. Both extremes are equally shrill and wrong, the only way to be a reasonable adult is to be a centrist.
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Ze Pollack posted:it turns out the second there is anything to either debate or discuss people demand debate and discussion cease It is the liberal way.
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