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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:You are my favorite poster about these topics because you bring nuance and rationality where others just bring vitriol. Thanks! You seriously have zero room to pretend like you have any moral high ground on this.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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In anecdotal "State of the Party at the local level" news, I attended a fundraiser for the county dems. It's in a heavily Republican area in southern Indiana, that kinda went purple in 2008, but went full racist last time. We don't have too many Democrats around except a mayor, some council seats and a well-respected county commissioner running on inertia at this point. I don't anticipate a tectonic shift here, but there IS quite a bit more energy to the local party lately and a lot of people are expressing interest in running and organizing that weren't before. More importantly, we had a bunch of younger adults at the cookout, which was nice to see. We've also got a 30-year-old vocational teacher who's running for state representative, and local educators in general are incredibly pissed about DeVos and poo poo. Sometimes its just nice to see Democrats with a country accent to ward off the sense of isolation that comes from being surrounded by chuds. We probably can't swing the county blue, but we might be able to hold down the GOP advantage and MAYBE keep Donnelly healthy enough for the cities to do their part. They also had some kickass burgers and hot dogs.
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JeffersonClay posted:I have no doubt that Weinstein gave her the internship as a means to curry favor. Rapist don't rape literally every woman they come in contact with; someone can know someone else is a rapist and still feel secure about sending their daughter to work for them given their position and the power they wield. Still pretty hosed up Obama whored his daughter out to Weinstein. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Grammarchist posted:In anecdotal "State of the Party at the local level" news, I attended a fundraiser for the county dems. It's in a heavily Republican area in southern Indiana, that kinda went purple in 2008, but went full racist last time. We don't have too many Democrats around except a mayor, some council seats and a well-respected county commissioner running on inertia at this point. don't lose hope! a bunch of dems just got elected in my blood red homestate and they aren't just normal dems, they're actually to the left of the establishment!
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MizPiz posted:Rapist don't rape literally every woman they come in contact with; someone can know someone else is a rapist and still feel secure about sending their daughter to work for them given their position and the power they wield. But why did Sasha escape punishment?
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MizPiz posted:Still pretty hosed up Obama whored his daughter out to Weinstein. See this isn't racist because you said whored instead of pimped, and anyone suggesting you shouldn't make evidence-free accusations about obama that are indistinguishable from vile racist poo poo on Breitbart is the real racist. I assume Condiv is now writing a sternly worded post about the sexist implications here because that's something he really cares about when he can't use it as a cudgel against democrats.
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JeffersonClay posted:See this isn't racist because you said whored instead of pimped, and anyone suggesting you shouldn't make evidence-free accusations about obama that are indistinguishable from vile racist poo poo on Breitbart is the real racist. I assume Condiv is now writing a sternly worded post about the sexist implications here because that's something he really cares about when he can't use it as a cudgel against democrats. You, also, have no room to pretend like you hold any high ground. You are easily the worst offender in D&D for cynically using issues as cudgels.
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MizPiz posted:Still pretty hosed up Obama whored his daughter out to Weinstein. yeah can you not, thanks
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MizPiz posted:Rapist don't rape literally every woman they come in contact with; someone can know someone else is a rapist and still feel secure about sending their daughter to work for them given their position and the power they wield. This is a really dumb loving take that assumes Obama is a robot who ran a risk assessment and determined it was safe for his daughter to be in the same position as other people who got raped because there was only a 2% chance of her getting raped or sexually assaulted. It's not a hill you wanna die on, dude.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:This is a really dumb loving take that assumes Obama is a robot who ran a risk assessment and determined it was safe for his daughter to be in the same position as other people who got raped because there was only a 2% chance of her getting raped or sexually assaulted. It's not a hill you wanna die on, dude. To put my cards on the table, I agree with this, and I don't think it makes sense to project ill intent or apathy towards his daughter's welfare onto Obama. I think it's much more likely that the dude really was personally clueless about, and insulated from, Weinstein's criminal behavior.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:This is a really dumb loving take that assumes Obama is a robot who ran a risk assessment and determined it was safe for his daughter to be in the same position as other people who got raped because there was only a 2% chance of her getting raped or sexually assaulted. It's not a hill you wanna die on, dude. Don't need complex algorithms to figure out that someone won't rape the president's daughter when they want to curry favors from the president.
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Jaxyon posted:That's not the dialog though. It's mostly going as hard as possible on Dems and not being constructive. This is the most loser loving mentality I've ever seen in my life. Does it upset you when Elizabeth Warren says Democrats need to ween off Wall St.? Does it upset you when Democratic congressmen say Pelosi needs to step aside? Does it upset you when Keith Ellison says Democrats aren't the party of the people like they used to be? All of these "attacks" are coming from within and without the party. If you think people criticizing the Dems is bad then what the gently caress are you even doing in a political forum?
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Jaxyon posted:That's not the dialog though. It's mostly going as hard as possible on Dems and not being constructive. That's just confirmation bias on your part. Lots of left-wing posters here come up with constructive ideas, or show support for left-Dems' actions, and then get met with, "Heh, you leftists just don't know how the world works!  " from centrists.
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Again, rich people kept sending their kids and relatives to work for and with Berlusconi even though it was a matter of public record that he was a sex criminal. It's a function of privilege, not to have to worry enough to take disconcerning rumors seriously.
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steinrokkan posted:Imagine a Dem party convention where nobody can talk about reforming the internal structures because doubting their efficacy is a bad look. Imagine saying that it's bad to talk about the flaws of Obamacare because it might play into right-wing framing to admit that PPACA was anything less than total perfection. (of course, many people made that exact argument during the election) Angry_Ed posted:Funny how certain people here are only worried about the rapist who gave money to a political party vs. the party of rapists running the government. Funny how certain people here are perfectly fine with adopting republican arguments designed to depress Democrat turnout and distract from the usual GOP fuckery. Plenty of us were pretty concerned about the Trump sexual assault stuff when it came out an entire year ago, even though the Dems have barely mentioned it since then. Hell, since you're so outraged about the "party of rapists" running the government, I'm sure you remember which currently-sitting Cabinet member was once a prosecutor who gave a slap-on-the-wrist sweetheart deal to a billionaire accused of sex crimes, a scandalous case of prosecutorial corruption comparable to the one being raised in the Weinstein case? It was Alex Acosta, the current Secretary of Labor, who gave Jeff Epstein just 13 months in prison, yet cleared Senate confirmation anyway with the help of eight Democratic senators who crossed the aisle to vote for him. Not that anyone seems to remember, since I don't think anyone from the "but what about Trump's sexual assaults!" camp has thought to bring up this extremely comparable case. Epstein was a good friend of Trump, and allegedly recruited several of his victims at Mar-a-Lago, where he was a regular. That poo poo's been practically forgotten by the Dems, who haven't bothered to bring it up in months. But as soon as there's a sex assault scandal with a Dem-leaning billionaire, it's really important that everyone ignores it and pays attention to Trump's scandals, even though the people who are urging that don't even remember any of Trump's scandals other than the pussy tape.
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Frijolero posted:This is the most loser loving mentality I've ever seen in my life. Slight difference between those criticism and saying Obama "whored out his daughter."
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Main Paineframe posted:That poo poo's been practically forgotten by the Dems, who haven't bothered to bring it up in months. But as soon as there's a sex assault scandal with a Dem-leaning billionaire, it's really important that everyone ignores it and pays attention to Trump's scandals, even though the people who are urging that don't even remember any of Trump's scandals other than the pussy tape. I'm not saying to ignore it. In fact the Democrats aren't ignoring it. They are in various forms disavowing Weinstein and giving the money he donated to more worthy causes. Things that the BothSiders in this thread have been constantly screeching about even though they were already in the process of doing it. Somehow that's not good enough, almost as if that isn't the point of their complaints and they just want to continue issuing worthless ideological purity tests. If you want a party that represents the majority of the country in a progressive manner, you're going to have to understand sometimes people might not agree with you and that throwing them out on their rear end or trying to depress them into staying home isn't the solution if you need their votes. Also, little clue. The Republicans are the ones in power right now, they're the ones that need to have the lens focused on them much loving harder rather than devolving into this "Dems are just as bad" bullshit. Frijolero posted:Does it upset you when Elizabeth Warren says Democrats need to ween off Wall St.? They are 100% correct, but you know what they didn't do? They didn't go "we're just as bad as the Republicans.". They didn't both sides it. Because that's useless.
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Trabisnikof posted:Slight difference between those criticism and saying Obama "whored out his daughter."  they don't see a difference
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Angry_Ed posted:They are 100% correct, but you know what they didn't do? They didn't go "we're just as bad as the Republicans.". They didn't both sides it. Because that's useless. has anyone? where are the both siders you're referencing?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/354900-charlottesville-schools-locked-down-over-internet-warning#.Wd58P_uJ8il.twitter white supremacists just cant help but terrorize that town they should hurry up and remove the lee memorial, it only attracts murderous nazis Condiv fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:To put my cards on the table, I agree with this, and I don't think it makes sense to project ill intent or apathy towards his daughter's welfare onto Obama. I think it's much more likely that the dude really was personally clueless about, and insulated from, Weinstein's criminal behavior. Majorian posted:You, also, have no room to pretend like you hold any high ground. You are easily the worst offender in D&D for cynically using issues as cudgels. So it's cynical to suggest unfounded attacks on Obama's character that are consistent with racial stereotypes reinforce those stereotypes and indicate, at minimum, subconscious internalization of those stereotypes?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/354900-charlottesville-schools-locked-down-over-internet-warning#.Wd58P_uJ8il.twitter Is social media message board what they’re calling /pol/ these days
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Trabisnikof posted:Slight difference between those criticism and saying Obama "whored out his daughter." Good thing this argument doesn't exist outside the victim complex ridden skulls of bad dems.
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I withdraw my criticism completely, Democrats indulged a sex pervert out of a deep respect towards the victims. (Is this the new argument now that everybody involved has pretty much admitted they had been talking about it behind the scenes for years)
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JeffersonClay posted:So it's cynical to suggest unfounded attacks on Obama's character that are consistent with racial stereotypes reinforce those stereotypes and indicate, at minimum, subconscious internalization of those stereotypes? Nope, I'm talking more about your overall pattern of cynically using racism and sexism as cudgels against the left, pretty much all over D&D.
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 warning! stealth trump supporter alert!! warning! https://progressivevoicesofiowa.com...-committee/amp/ Laura L. Hubka posted:I sent an email late last week resigning my positions on the Iowa Democratic State Central Committee, the 1st District and my Chair position in Howard County. Now that I have taken care of my duties within the party I would like to be more specific on why I left. I will concede that these are my opinions but I know through the time I spent talking to the people of Iowa in many different locations though-out the state that I am not alone in my opinions or feelings. i can't believe how rude this person is being. doesn't she realize that trump is so much worse? Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/_jessicabarth_/status/918199805905719296 did anyone in the thread attack seth macfarlane? i'm not sure why you think this tweet is topical, at all
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Frijolero posted:This is the most loser loving mentality I've ever seen in my life. LOL you're attempting to make me a liberal who doesn't want democrats to be criticized instead of addressing my post. Majorian posted:That's just confirmation bias on your part. Lots of left-wing posters here come up with constructive ideas, or show support for left-Dems' actions, and then get met with, "Heh, you leftists just don't know how the world works! It could be, but it could also be that many leftists would rather criticize to make themselves feel superior rather than acknowledge the grim realities of politics. I never said that my fellow leftists can't be constructive, I said that there's way more non-constructive vitriol and pretending like that doesn't exist doesn't help anything.
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Angry_Ed posted:I'm not saying to ignore it. In fact the Democrats aren't ignoring it. They are in various forms disavowing Weinstein and giving the money he donated to more worthy causes. Things that the BothSiders in this thread have been constantly screeching about even though they were already in the process of doing it. Somehow that's not good enough It won't be good enough until it is the rule, and not the exception, within the Democratic Party. We're not asking too much in asking Democrats at all levels to divest themselves of whatever Weinstein contributions they can, and we're not being unreasonable in saying, "Good, glad some Democrats are doing it already. More should do it, though." Jaxyon posted:It could be, but it could also be that many leftists would rather criticize to make themselves feel superior rather than acknowledge the grim realities of politics. Okay, well, let me help you then: it's confirmation bias. That's the answer. You are only seeing the posts from leftists that fit the narrative you've constructed here.
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Majorian posted:It won't be good enough until it is the rule, and not the exception, within the Democratic Party. We're not asking too much in asking Democrats at all levels to divest themselves of whatever Weinstein contributions they can, and we're not being unreasonable in saying, "Good, glad some Democrats are doing it already. More should do it, though." Once again you're assuming I disagree. I'm saying that's exactly what should be happening. What I am saying is don't do it in a way that validates anything the GOP says in bad faith. It's not really that difficult to do so. Acknowledge that yes, they're doing the right thing, but say "we need to do more". Make it as clear as possible that, even though it should've been obvious, doing the right thing will bring more votes. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Jaxyon posted:LOL you're attempting to make me a liberal who doesn't want democrats to be criticized instead of addressing my post. you should read that resignation letter i posted! it's so non-constructive and superior in tone
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Angry_Ed posted:Once again you're assuming I disagree. I'm saying that's exactly what should be happening. What I am saying is don't do it in a way that validates anything the GOP says in bad faith. This isn't that hard, believe me. In what way are people validating anything the GOP says? No one here is saying, "The GOP is morally superior to the Democrats on this issue," or that they are less hypocritical, or anything of the sort. And I'm pretty sure no one reading this conversation is coming away from it thinking that Republicans are somehow less-bad than the Democrats.  I mean, good lord, dude, go back and read your posts over the past few pages. You're the one losing his poo poo over some pretty anodyne criticisms of the Democratic Party, acting like there's some sort of nefarious motive behind them.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Confirmation and focusing bias are like the entirety of this discussion today, from different angles. Yeah, to be fair, they're pretty common in most political debates.
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Jaxyon posted:It could be, but it could also be that many leftists would rather criticize to make themselves feel superior rather than acknowledge the grim realities of politics. What is the "grim reality of politics" that we should be acknowledging here?
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Majorian posted:Okay, well, let me help you then: it's confirmation bias. That's the answer. You are only seeing the posts from leftists that fit the narrative you've constructed here. Yes you've clearly convinced me with this argument.
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WampaLord posted:What is the "grim reality of politics" that we should be acknowledging here? That they need to work with democrats given the current political system.
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