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botany posted:what the gently caress. i legitimately haven't heard a word about this. Wow same
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Boon posted:Was it widespread or was it just kind of like the Bernie Bro thing where a small minority drove the narrative? I'm asking because this seems odd and while I don't doubt it, it doesn't strike me as particularly widespread or concerted since I tend to be pretty active in pursuing information just like you guys but am kind of at a loss? Yes, it didn't get that much traction, especially since Dem Congresspersons sponsored the bill. It was promoted by the Peter Daous and Neera Tandens of the world. It just drew home the point that the idea of resisting Trump should not be used to boycott political proposals and debates, even those that come from non-orthodox places, it should be used to inspire and nurture them. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Boon posted:Was it widespread or was it just kind of like the Bernie Bro thing where a small minority drove the narrative? I'm asking because this seems odd and while I don't doubt it, it doesn't strike me as particularly widespread or concerted since I tend to be pretty active in pursuing information just like you guys but am kind of at a loss? steinrokkan posted:Yes, it didn't get that much traction, especially since Dem Congresspersons sponsored the bill. It was promoted by the Peter Daous and Neera Tandens of the world. This, but it was also a bit of a refrain from a few Democratic leaders, like Pelosi, Feinstein, and Klobuchar.
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botany posted:what the gently caress. i legitimately haven't heard a word about this. It got posted a while back and I think most of us shrugged and moved on at the fact some guy in North Carolina wanted to start domestic war with a bang.
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Boon posted:Was it widespread or was it just kind of like the Bernie Bro thing where a small minority drove the narrative? I'm asking because this seems odd and while I don't doubt it, it doesn't strike me as particularly widespread or concerted since I tend to be pretty active in pursuing information just like you guys but am kind of at a loss? it happened with the healthcare debate in this thread too. when bernie was going to debate graham and cassidy, there was a lot of handwringing about he'd focus too much on medicare for all and then make the republicans stronger and then we'd have trumpcare cause of bernie
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Domestic (white) terrorism so what not at all surprising. even calling it terrorism seems to be too much for american media. they all just say "lone wolf!" and move along
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Boon posted:Was it widespread or was it just kind of like the Bernie Bro thing where a small minority drove the narrative? I'm asking because this seems odd and while I don't doubt it, it doesn't strike me as particularly widespread or concerted since I tend to be pretty active in pursuing information just like you guys but am kind of at a loss? It was a big point from democrats before bernie's televised debate on healthcare. So yeah a small minority of people.
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"This is a distraction from the real issues" is also the standard attack on the Russia investigation from the left. It's an argument that you can make about literally any issue in politics and it's almost always a perfect example of the false dilemma logical fallacy. It's also closely related to arguments about political capital and the bully pulpit which most people rightly think are full of poo poo. The better argument against criticizing democrats from the left using the same arguments and language as attacks on democrats from the right is that we shouldn't amplify arguments from the right, even if those arguments are less than utterly false. See: Bill Clinton, rapist or Bernie Sanders, pinko.
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JeffersonClay posted:"This is a distraction from the real issues" is also the standard attack on the Russia investigation from the left. That's because there's very little that discussion on the Russia investigation can achieve, in any concrete sense, at this point. Investigating the Trump Administration on collusion with Russia is Muller's, the intelligence committees', and the IC's job, not ours. Our time is better-spent figuring out what we, as Democrats, leftists, progressives, etc, can do to make the Democrats stronger. The reason why you, personally, hear "this is a distraction from the real issues" so much, JC, is because you yourself regularly use it as a distraction from real issues. You do not want to have an honest discussion on what needs to happen with the Democratic Party. You've shown that time and time again.
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I swear I was not trying to get a dumb leftist to take the bait there, but in hindsight I erred in thinking they'd read the whole post before responding. I don't really hear "this is a distraction from the real issues" very often but that's probably because it's a more coherent argument than my critics are wont to make.
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JeffersonClay posted:I swear I was not trying to get a dumb leftist to take the bait there, but in hindsight I erred in thinking they'd read the whole post before responding. The entirety of your post doesn't undermine or disprove anything that I wrote.
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Majorian posted:But you keep directing your criticisms at specific people here, without regard for whether or not those criticisms are fair. People like Condiv and Kilroy and steinrokkan might not be as unproductive as you think. Actually I'm pretty sure I've been making general criticisms and then people jumped in to say #notallleftists
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Jaxyon posted:Actually I'm pretty sure I've been making general criticisms and then people jumped in to say #notallleftists Okay, so then when you make posts like this... Jaxyon posted:It could be, but it could also be that many leftists would rather criticize to make themselves feel superior rather than acknowledge the grim realities of politics. ...or this... Jaxyon posted:Speaking as a leftist(because otherwise I'll get called a liberal for criticizing leftist): ...who, exactly, are you talking about, then? Because it sounds an awful lot like you're criticizing leftists who post here.
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Majorian posted:Okay, so then when you make posts like this... Actually none of those posts mention people who post here. Are you making the argument that the leftists I'm talking about don't exist at all? This sounds a lot like conversations I've had about any other criticism of leftists, like sexism or racism. "You are attacking all leftists/None of those exist." And if I remember correctly you and a couple other people got pissy the last time I talked about that too.
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Boon posted:Was it widespread or was it just kind of like the Bernie Bro thing where a small minority drove the narrative? I'm asking because this seems odd and while I don't doubt it, it doesn't strike me as particularly widespread or concerted since I tend to be pretty active in pursuing information just like you guys but am kind of at a loss? Politico had an article with some blind quotes from dem congresscritters mad that Bernie was supposedly distracting everyone from protecting the ACA
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Jaxyon posted:Actually none of those posts mention people who post here. Oh please. Be an adult and own your argument. You wanted to suggest that leftists here only criticize, and don't offer up anything constructive. If you didn't want to condemn leftists here, you wouldn't have painted with as broad a brush, and you would have been specific about the leftists who don't post here who you were criticizing. e: Here, I'll give you a couple examples: I think Jimmy Dore is a moron. I also think H.A. Goodman is a moron. When I want to criticize these idiots, I name them or their followers. I don't just lump them all together as "leftists." Majorian fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Here's how things went down with DeAndre Harris & the arrest warrant: https://twitter.com/kt_thomps/status/918217771946831872
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Frijolero posted:PLEASE STOP This, we, in this dead gay forum, by not just pretending nothing is wrong are giving the GOP even more power.
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JeffersonClay posted:I swear I was not trying to get a dumb leftist to take the bait there, but in hindsight I erred in thinking they'd read the whole post before responding. The young Socrates sighed softly towards his peers and their barbs, and from his lips spoke words that shook the ground and pierced the sky, for not even the mighty Zeus could find fault in his retort: "In fact, I intentionally covered my face in feces to repel the false wenches, for I am actually really hot"
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Majorian posted:Oh please. Be an adult and own your argument. You wanted to suggest that leftists here only criticize, and don't offer up anything constructive. If you didn't want to condemn leftists here, you wouldn't have painted with as broad a brush, and you would have been specific about the leftists who don't post here who you were criticizing. Oh we're doing this thing where I'm not a leftist if I criticize leftists. While we're at it there are no racists or sexists in leftism that's a liberal construct of the message board to promote hillary disingenuously.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Here's how things went down with DeAndre Harris & the arrest warrant: these vile nazi shitbags.... i don't even know why the charlottesville police are honoring this loving bogus warrant. why does harris have to remand himself to police custody? why does he have to be loving arrested after he was on the receiving end of a brutal beating. the magistrate who issued the warrant should be disbarred and impeached. the nazi confederates should be embronzed with the melted down remains of that robert e lee statue they love so much
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Is this the part where I reference a mod to affirm the value of my opinion? Awesome!R. Guyovich posted:jesus loving christ, people
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tentative8e8op posted:https://twitter.com/dougbrown8/status/918252440448667648 supposedly, it's cause they're using tools to cut protestors off of stuff they've chained themselves to. dunno if that's actually what they're doing, still seems p hosed regardless of reason https://twitter.com/NLG_Portland/status/918289796400689153 yeah... dunno what dhs is loving up to
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Condiv posted:these vile nazi shitbags.... I'd love to run a protection agency to protect people who are supposed to be arrested for this bs. Cops come to arrest em,hog tie the police for following an illegal warrant
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https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/918249599613177856 Dems are really good at compromises: Strain Obama's only legacy (the iran deal) to get sanctions on russia that like 5% of americans actually care about and then watch the republicans just not do them. What we need are more bipartisan solutions people!
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I want to get pissed off as much as the next person but we need to be mindful of OSHA standards for PPE. Permanent hearing loss is not funny. Whilst that whole transaction seems kind of hosed, the thought that police are putting PPE on protesters is almost heart warming. Like I have no knowledge of the context but if police were cutting protesters away from the thing they chained themselves to and the Police deployed PPE to do that; that's pretty righteous. Edit: Im assuming they took the hoods and earmuffs off after this. Torpor fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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The Washington Post posted:Deaths rise to 23, with hundreds missing, as wildfires scorch California wine country. The killer wildfires that have scorched Northern California remain almost completely uncontained. Officials warned Wednesday that some of the big fires could merge.  
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Majorian posted:My hometown. Holy poo poo, Santa Rosa is your home town? I just moved away from there and I'd be homeless right now if I hadn't. Everyone I know has been affected by this, and it is a tragedy. I hope you and your friends and family stay safe and are able to bounce back. You and I spar plenty, but people matter much more than politics. It's very surreal to see the place I still consider home to be affected this way and I can't help other than a small donation.
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