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It has to be Ben. Vader doesn't make any sense. Luke thinks he can control/teach Ben since he took down Vader and Sheev. He failed and lost everything. Now he's wary of Rey who shares whatever power it is. Weirdly enough, isn't that something that leak said?
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Oct 11, 2017 10:36
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Luke wasn't afraid of his own power ... until he destroyed the Jedi temple and killed his students BOOM star wars completely changed forever
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Oct 11, 2017 12:21
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Maybe Luke's just a lovely Jedi.
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Oct 12, 2017 01:41
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This movie is going to be awful.
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Oct 12, 2017 01:47
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This movie is going to be awful. It's amazing to me that, with all this poo poo they have at their disposal, they're going with "power is dangerous" and, like, "don't kill your parents."
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Oct 12, 2017 02:10
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Milky Moor posted:It has to be Ben. Vader doesn't make any sense. That's plausible, but then again the trailer could be misdirecting a lot of things. Rey is stronger in the force than Ben, considering how fast she picks up her power in TFA. My theory is that Vader is literally the only person capable of matching her because he was created from the force. As Rey falls under the same circumstances hence her crazy raw power and not knowing "her place". Luke wasn't afraid afraid of Vader, as he only comprehended a sliver of his raw power (from the loss of limbs) from fighting him, being his son and with Yoda. Wouldn't Snoke have stuck with Ben if he wasn't sure of that? Maybe I'm overthinking this. I'm not taking bets on any bets on leaks (or looking at them) so who knows.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:11
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:"don't kill your parents." the complete opposite of pron haul
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False Toaster posted:That's plausible, but then again the trailer could be misdirecting a lot of things. It could be that he wasn’t afraid enough of Palpatine, but is now afraid of Snoke, and that scene is him saying why he won’t leave the planet to join the larger fight. But it’s probably about Kylo and Rey.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's amazing to me that, with all this poo poo they have at their disposal, they're going with "power is dangerous" and, like, "don't kill your parents." There is almost nothing in this trailer. Continuing TFA's story is totally uninteresting.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:23
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There is almost nothing in this trailer. Continuing TFA's story is totally uninteresting. I could possibly coast by if the visuals and universe were interesting but Ive yet to see one piece of footage of Canto Blight or whatever the only newish locale promised across two goddamn movies.
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Oct 12, 2017 02:54
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Barudak posted:I could possibly coast by if the visuals and universe were interesting but Ive yet to see one piece of footage of Canto Blight or whatever the only newish locale promised across two goddamn movies. That's one thing I particularly liked about Rouge One, the environments looked interesting. Here's hoping at one of the newer films can eventually match RotS in that regard.
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Oct 12, 2017 03:10
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the crystal fox is cool but i think it would fit in better on 'crystal ice planet' rather than 'not-ice planet [which still looks like hoth]'
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Oct 12, 2017 03:42
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ungulateman posted:the crystal fox is cool but i think it would fit in better on 'crystal ice planet' rather than 'not-ice planet [which still looks like hoth]' The crystal fox looks stupid.
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Oct 12, 2017 03:49
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The crystal fox looks stupid. It's a pokemon.
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Oct 12, 2017 04:04
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It does smack of Rian Johnson pulling a James Gunn, where his name and a slight stylish improvement over the established norm will mask the fact to a lot of people (many of which should know better) that he completely let the money men pick apart any aspect of the story that had a soul and is selling you an empty Happy Meal box of a movie with a smile. Although, considering immediately after Brothers Bloom the man was frantically trying to lock down commercials (no one bit, but that's how he ended up getting Breaking Bad), I'm not surprised. He's been doing the starving artist thing for going on a decade now with some reasonable salaries here and there. The promise of a few million dollars and maybe half a backend gross point to make what The Mouse wants out of something, and that something being this thing you grew up playing with and thinking about would be real tempting to anyone at that point. It's just sad when you know they can get weirder and wilder and better. None of this movie suggests it came from the mind of the guy who went "you know, I really like Witness, I'm gonna take my time travel cat and mouse story and make the back half of it a non-Amish Witness homage".
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This movie is going to be awful. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There is almost nothing in this trailer. Continuing TFA's story is totally uninteresting. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The crystal fox looks stupid. I'm sensing a pattern here.
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Oct 12, 2017 04:17
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The Cameo posted:It does smack of Rian Johnson pulling a James Gunn, where his name and a slight stylish improvement over the established norm will mask the fact to a lot of people (many of which should know better) that he completely let the money men pick apart any aspect of the story that had a soul and is selling you an empty Happy Meal box of a movie with a smile. Yeah, hopefully it'll be like a Gareth Edwards thing where I'm happy a filmmaker I like gets a bunch of money so they can go do something else cool.
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I like Rian Johnson!The Cameo posted:It does smack of Rian Johnson pulling a James Gunn, where his name and a slight stylish improvement over the established norm will mask the fact to a lot of people (many of which should know better) that he completely let the money men pick apart any aspect of the story that had a soul and is selling you an empty Happy Meal box of a movie with a smile. People rightly point out that Suicide Squad (or to be relevant, Rogue One) got hosed with, but they showed promise from the very start. This looks like a baby born in jail.
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Oct 12, 2017 04:21
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It looks real dull. You have to kind of think outside the box to continue a story after the evil empire falls and Satan dies. "No, but, again," is like, not even a solution. Maybe I'm wrong though Creed rocked even though it was just Rocky Remix'd. Edit: Maybe Daisy Ridley is just no Michael B. Jordan. Boyega should have been the lead guys.
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Oct 12, 2017 04:22
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Unironically, the fragmented story notes from Lucas of "there is a tug of war over the legacy of the Jedi and Sith among resurgent force cults" is roughly 12 million times more interesting than "gently caress it the Empire is back and they have an evil space wizard commanding them"
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Oct 12, 2017 04:25
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I feel like Tolkein ran into more or less the same thing when he tried to write a sequel to LOTR and gave up.
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Oct 12, 2017 04:28
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I still can't believe that TFA went for 'It's Rebels vs the Empire again but the Republic controls the whole galaxy and the First Order is small, like Nazis grouping up in Argentina'. Even just something like it's split 50/50 could make things more believable than the First Order being, like, space North Korea or whatever it is.
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[quote="“HUNDU THE BEAST GOD”" post="“477296647”"] I like Rian Johnson! People rightly point out that Suicide Squad (or to be relevant, Rogue One) got hosed with, but they showed promise from the very start. This looks like a baby born in jail. [/quote] It does feel like the first meetings they had involved someone from merchandising stating that several things had to be in the movie, zero pushback allowed on them because early moldings were already complete and mass production would need to start in six months - "Star Destroyers that look like this, we need a crystal fox and these little hamster things, we have this redesigned TIE fighter..." It's like the continuation of how Abrams couldn't get the delay he really wanted to May 2016 because Disney signed retailer deals that specified a November/December 2015 merch push the likes of which capitalism had maybe never seen (since 1999 anyway) that almost outright promised the movie would hit at the end of 2015 to peak out the sales potential for Christmas.
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I mean at the very least, TFA had great teasers, such as Finn's reveal.
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The 'studio meddling' narrative is easy. The real problem is evidently that they turned Bullshit and Whimsy up to 10, so that the film looks less like Star Wars and more like the bastard offspring of Quantum Of Solace and Jim Henson's Labyrinth.
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Oct 12, 2017 05:04
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Jim Henson's Labyrinth had a story to tell and Quantum of Solace had an elemental theme it stuck to so I think you're giving TFA too much credit of its lineage.
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Milky Moor posted:I still can't believe that TFA went for 'It's Rebels vs the Empire again but the Republic controls the whole galaxy and the First Order is small, like Nazis grouping up in Argentina'. Amazingly the old EU's very straightforward idea of the Republic having won but also having become embroiled into dozens of brushfire wars with various Imperial holdouts and warlords was more promising than...whatever the situation is at the end of TFA.
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[quote="“Barudak”" post="“477297843”"] Jim Henson’s Labyrinth had a story to tell and Quantum of Solace had an elemental theme it stuck to so I think you’re giving TFA too much credit of its lineage. [/quote] I don't mean TFA; I'm talking about Last Jedi. 'Elemental theme' is exactly the bullshit I had in mind with that comparison, because it's a pretty close cousin to this 'red represents blood' thing. Like straight up you have this crystal world with crystal foxes frolicking around, and then War makes the fragile world start bleeding. Also, War is caused by a poorly thought-out Trump reference. (I strongly doubt that they're going to present gold-loving casino owner Donald Snoke as an impotent charlatan and useful idiot for the offscreen space-Russians, who are subtly promoting space-nazism on space-social media to 'troll' the Republic's liberals into doubling down on immensely unpopular rhetoric so that Republic citizens are pressured into gradually killing themselves.)
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The Cameo posted:It does feel like the first meetings they had involved someone from merchandising stating that several things had to be in the movie, zero pushback allowed on them because early moldings were already complete and mass production would need to start in six months - "Star Destroyers that look like this, we need a crystal fox and these little hamster things, we have this redesigned TIE fighter..." This has been brought up before, but did Abrams ask for a second 6 month delay? Because the movie was originally going to come out May 2015 (because at that point Star Wars movies always came out in May), but he asked for a delay and got it pushed back to December 2015. I don’t remember him asking for yet another delay. Google isn’t helping me find this second delay, because it’s all stories about how Episode IX is getting delayed to give Abrams time to ramp up.
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Oct 12, 2017 12:07
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Ford got hurt for one thing.
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Abrams only asked for one delay and he never got it - that first delay happened in 2014 and was entirely because of Harrison's leg. Disney didn't have much of a choice back then, since recuperation was eight weeks, which fucks up a whole lot of scheduling for post things like reshoots (since, say, you need to use Pinewood but eight weeks from your original planned date is smack dab in the middle of a Bond movie's production or a Harry Potter movie) and forced the greater shakeup, which could have been a year but, again, those retail deals was for a Star Wars movie to either be on video or in theaters for Christmas. So they went from May 2015 to December, and JJ/Kasdan spent those eight weeks doing polishes on the script and inserting scenes/beats for Rian Johnson, who had asked if certain things could be included as setup for Episode VIII so he wouldn't have to spend time introducing them in his movie. As things got towards the end of actual production JJ (and Kathleen Kennedy!) asked for them to push the release another five months (to May 4, 2016) so he could fine tune things and not be under the gun for the last half of 2015. JJ very much knew the movie wasn't going to turn out as tight as he wanted with the date he had to work under. Disney, of course, rejected this, because money, stock markets, and contractual obligations to retail partners. I mean, why would Abrams have to ask Disney if they could delay the movie when the marquee star breaks his leg. No one is going to say "whatever, just write Han Solo out of the movie" after the huge upfront payout Ford got to even be in the thing. It was also not much of a story because "can I get a delay on the release of this" "no" "well, okay" is an extremely common story in modern Hollywood. This one only stuck with me because when I watched the movie there was a very clear rushed feeling to a lot of it, which was a very new feeling to have watching a Star Wars movie. Edit: hell, I'm pretty sure the Episode IX delay is because JJ only agreed to save the day if he got some actual time to make the movie and wasn't rushing to another too-soon date since he didn't get it last time. The Cameo fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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The Cameo posted:Abrams only asked for one delay and he never got it - that first delay happened in 2014 and was entirely because of Harrison's leg. Disney didn't have much of a choice back then, since recuperation was eight weeks, which fucks up a whole lot of scheduling for post things like reshoots (since, say, you need to use Pinewood but eight weeks from your original planned date is smack dab in the middle of a Bond movie's production or a Harry Potter movie) and forced the greater shakeup, which could have been a year but, again, those retail deals was for a Star Wars movie to either be on video or in theaters for Christmas. So they went from May 2015 to December, and JJ/Kasdan spent those eight weeks doing polishes on the script and inserting scenes/beats for Rian Johnson, who had asked if certain things could be included as setup for Episode VIII so he wouldn't have to spend time introducing them in his movie. Yeah, that timeline isn't really working out. Ford's injury didn't push from May of 2015 to December 2015, because the December date was announced back in 2013, and Ford injured his leg in 2014. http://www.mtv.com/news/1717064/star-wars-episode-VII-release-date/ There's interviews with Abrams where he talks about how he's happy with the December release date, because it gives him more time than the May date some people had been talking about. Which I'm guessing is where I got that Abrams asked for the date to be moved, so I'm wrong there. From some other article posted:"I will say that it is an infinitely better situation now than when they were saying that they wanted it in the summer [of 2015]," he said. "Before I even came onto the project, they were talking about 2015, and they made this announcement very early on, which I understand. I understand why they'd want that, but it didn't necessarily have anything to do with the reality of where anything was creatively."
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Oct 12, 2017 14:21
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Brick and Looper are both just okay
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, that timeline isn't really working out. Ford's injury didn't push from May of 2015 to December 2015, because the December date was announced back in 2013, and Ford injured his leg in 2014. I'll be damned. I suppose JJ might have asked for a delay because of Ford's leg and got turned down then and I just separated out the two things (so I must have heard of them separately and just never linked the two). It's all three year old hearsay and whatnot. I do know that the delay didn't happen because Disney made promises to shareholders and partners based on Star Wars being out in the world before 2015 ended, since I was working for a retailer at the time and Disney was coordinating shipments back in like March of that year and sending signage to every possible establishment in June. Everything from the coordination on was "the full marketing push is going to be Christmas", which would line up pretty well with that release date being the unalterable plan. And given that the real reasoning behind buying Lucasfilm was the Star Wars merchandise empire that was worth much more than $4 billion, not really a surprise. Was it Rogue One that got pushed to December? Something Star Wars got their release date rejiggered around because of things, and it wasn't anything recent like the Young Solo movie blowup between talent and management. I swear something had a May release that got shuffled back to December. But maybe I'm blurring it with some DC movie or the absolute shitshow that is Universal's Dark Universe. Too many sagas and "universes" nowadays.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Where the film falls apart is in the specifics. It's absolutely unclear what sort of totalitarians the baddies are. They are generically totalitarian, commu-nazi computer gods - the sort of omnipotent brainwashers who only exist in paranoid fantasy. The First Order are a David Icke hallucination.
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"What's Christmas?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6BesOrfws
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Halloween Jack posted:So what you're saying is, TFA predicted Trump winning, and Democrats chalking it up to a neo-Soviet plot. On the contrary, TFA bizarrely argues -from a liberal perspective - that Trump is a 17-Dimensional chess mastermind who has successfully created a brutally efficient hyper-nazi dictatorship on his own.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:On the contrary, TFA bizarrely argues -from a liberal perspective - that Trump is a 17-Dimensional chess mastermind who has successfully created a brutally efficient hyper-nazi dictatorship on his own. Are you sure they didn't just use a vague big bad villain with an open backstory yet somewhat similar in look/feel to Palpatine, and that you're ascribing all the poo poo that happened way after the screenplay was written to masterful film making? edit: does this mean Han Solo is Bill Clinton? edit II: of course he's loving slick Willy. Preston Waters fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Are you sure they didn't just use a vague big bad villain with an open backstory yet somewhat similar in look/feel to Palpatine, and that you're ascribing all the poo poo that happened way after the screenplay was written to masterful film making? I’m not sure which is weirder: that you believe I’m praising the TFA script, or that you believe “Trump = Hitler-Satan” is masterful storytelling.
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