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More Oathbringer: https://www.tor.com/2017/10/10/oathbringer-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-19-21/
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Why do these three chapters always end with the worst cliffhangers?!?
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Oct 10, 2017 16:04
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Torrannor posted:Why do these three chapters always end with the worst cliffhangers?!? Would you like to know more? Young Dalinar is basically a Klingon.
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Oct 10, 2017 16:16
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OAquinas posted:Would you like to know more? He's Brock Samson in this chapter. I'm not surprised Sadeas missed the old version.
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Oct 10, 2017 16:48
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Subvisual Haze posted:He's Brock Samson in this chapter. I'm not surprised Sadeas missed the old version. Holy poo poo, he totally is. Great, now he's going to have the voice of exasperated Patrick Warburton in my head going forward.
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Oct 10, 2017 17:38
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Proteus Jones posted:Holy poo poo, he totally is. Great, now he's going to have the voice of exasperated Patrick Warburton in my head going forward. Now when I do a re-read of WoK/WoR it's going to be hard to see him talking to people like the king, or Kaladin, as anything other than an exasperated Brock talking to Hank and Dean.
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Oct 10, 2017 17:40
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Subvisual Haze posted:He's Brock Samson in this chapter. I'm not surprised Sadeas missed the old version. I'm still mildly angry that WoK's first POV was Szeth and not Sadeas.
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Oct 10, 2017 19:12
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I'm still mildly angry that WoK's first POV was Szeth and not Sadeas. I felt from the start that using Szeth's POV as the starting point for that scene was a mistake. It would have been more impactful told from the perspective of the soldiers he fought.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:38
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Habibi posted:I felt from the start that using Szeth's POV as the starting point for that scene was a mistake. It would have been more impactful told from the perspective of the soldiers he fought. That scene still feels dumb and awful to me when I try to reread it. And I agree, "assassin appears and does a bunch of insane unexplainable poo poo" would be much more tolerable to read than a description of what level of lashing was cast on what target.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:40
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It'd be loving amazing as a tutorial level for the inevitable videogame adaptation.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:03
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Just saw a reddit raffle for a free oathbringer ARC https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/75kmmt/no_spoilersoathbringer_arc_giveaway/ Has a few hours left to submit your entry
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Oct 11, 2017 20:20
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Habibi posted:I felt from the start that using Szeth's POV as the starting point for that scene was a mistake. It would have been more impactful told from the perspective of the soldiers he fought. It would be even more impactful if the pov was Sadeas, specifically. He's the one who can stand toe to toe with Szeth for even a moment, all the non-shardbearer guards get chumped. A proper heroic pov of Sadeas trying his best to distract Szeth from Gavilar, pissed as hell that The Blackthorne was too drunk to be there, then trying to catch up to a Windrunner too late to the balcony fall. That would make the Dalinar turnaround and the latter betrayal so much better.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:27
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So the Parshendi who made the poem makes me think that whatever spren is talking to them is the key to Artform that the other Parshendi were searching for.
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Oct 11, 2017 23:00
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socialsecurity posted:So the Parshendi who made the poem makes me think that whatever spren is talking to them is the key to Artform that the other Parshendi were searching for. Yes and no, I think. The Parshendi went dullform to escape whatever happened to the parshmen, and had to rebuild their knowledge of other forms over the millennia, being careful not to use any forms that invite in Odium. It could be that the voidspren has enabled Artform, but I have issues seeing how a spren directly associated with Odium would prefer that transformation. I think it's probably more likely that the Everstorm has basically uplifted the parshmen into a more "complete" everyday form, that lacks the blocks of the other specialized forms.
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Oct 11, 2017 23:30
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:It would be even more impactful if the pov was Sadeas, specifically. He's the one who can stand toe to toe with Szeth for even a moment, all the non-shardbearer guards get chumped. That seems like it only really works based on knowledge you have in the future. Not to mention his betrayal has nothing to do with the opening events and more the fact he was kind of a cartoon villain.
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Oct 12, 2017 00:14
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OAquinas posted:Yes and no, I think. I'm not entirely convinced that it is a voidspren, or if it is a voidspren, I suspect it might have an agenda that is different from Odium's agenda.
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Oct 12, 2017 10:38
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Lobsterpillar posted:I'm not entirely convinced that it is a voidspren, or if it is a voidspren, I suspect it might have an agenda that is different from Odium's agenda. I guess we'll see, but it seems oddly driven and focused for something else. Needs to be a month later, only not because then I'd have no chance of getting my project work turned in. 
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Oct 12, 2017 13:37
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Lobsterpillar posted:I'm not entirely convinced that it is a voidspren, or if it is a voidspren, I suspect it might have an agenda that is different from Odium's agenda. I have a hunch that it is a Spren from Cultivation. Evolving the Parshendi like that seems like it would be up her alley, and keeping them out of the hands of Odium would seem like something she would do as we know that she was close with Honour when he was still around. I am not sure what to spoiler anymore, almost everything is just speculation at this point anyway? Edit: In fact, if you really want speculation I would imagine that bonding with a Voidspren is not confined to the Parshendi. They are effectively Radients only bonded to Odiums Spren, so there could be Human Voidbringers as well. Honours request for Dalinar to "unite them" is not race specific. Likely he means to unite ALL beings on Roshar against Odium. Odium is hatred, only by breaking the cycle of hatred can Odium be beaten, and I think that this is what would cause him to agree to a contest of champions. Dravs fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Oct 12, 2017 14:34
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CharlestheHammer posted:That seems like it only really works based on knowledge you have in the future. Sadeas is a villain, but even so the first book takes some pains to tease us with the faint possibility of an alternate explanation, another way things could've gone. Dalinar even tries to convince Adolin that Sadeas isn't all bad by giving him that information that I propose should've been in the prologue. That Dalinar felt ashamed that he was dead drunk that night was present in the POVs we have of him even then. The narrative takes significant pains to pronounce this event as transformative--turning Dalinar from The Blackthorne to The High King, The Bondsmith. Why not the other way as well, with Sadeas? The Dalinar flashback scenes we're getting so far is definitively giving us a Sadeas that's freely and happily allied with the Kholin brothers.
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Oct 12, 2017 17:05
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how many "bad guy" perspectives do we even get in Stormlight.? Other than Eshonai i cant think of anyone else. Sadeas is all villain
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Oct 12, 2017 18:42
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We get Szeth and Taravangian perspectives. They're antagonists even if not completely evil.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:47
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BraveJoe posted:how many "bad guy" perspectives do we even get in Stormlight.? Other than Eshonai i cant think of anyone else. Sadeas is all villain We get Sadeas, that is how we find out he is a cartoon villain.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:06
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I think we do start getting Sadeas POVs once he's betrayed Dalinar, so that's definitely a structural indication of a twist.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:06
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BraveJoe posted:how many "bad guy" perspectives do we even get in Stormlight.? Other than Eshonai i cant think of anyone else. Sadeas is all villain We get Adolin, who I still think is going to end up falling to Odium's influences one way or the other. Unless he comes out of the murder mystery stuff as a radiant somehow.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:57
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Dravs posted:I have a hunch that it is a Spren from Cultivation. Evolving the Parshendi like that seems like it would be up her alley, and keeping them out of the hands of Odium would seem like something she would do as we know that she was close with Honour when he was still around. I think this is a good idea. It seems like it would be a lot more mad at basically everything Kaladin has been doing teaching them stuff, and actively opposing him, if it was a creature of like literal pure Hatred. It'd also explain why it's not the red that I think is always associated with Odium.
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Oct 12, 2017 20:28
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ekeog posted:It'd also explain why it's not the red that I think is always associated with Odium. But in Dalinar's vision of Odium's champion, there was a terrible golden light? Wouldn't rule it out just on that...
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Oct 13, 2017 00:54
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Yeah, spren are not lightsaber blades (except when, uh, they are just that). "Evil=red" probably isn't a universal.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:22
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On another note from the newest Dalinar flashback chapter Does anybody have any thoughts on what the spindly creature was that Dalinar saw when he stepped outside into the Highstorm to find his knife? Kind of odd and it makes me think that more goes on during a Highstorm than just some wind and rain. In the last book Kaladin saw giant golden figures striding around on top of the shattered plains [citation needs cos I am too lazy to look up the details and I last read it over a year ago]
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Oct 13, 2017 08:31
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Dravs posted:On another note from the newest Dalinar flashback chapter My first thought was that it was some kind of one-off spren, like Cusicesh from one of the WOK interludes. I'd forgotten about the giant figures Kaladin saw.
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Oct 13, 2017 09:46
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OAquinas posted:Yeah, spren are not lightsaber blades (except when, uh, they are just that). "Evil=red" probably isn't a universal. Different KR orders and presumably their spren are associated with different gemstones and colors. Wind runners are blue, their glyphs are blue on their swords and armor, their eyes turn blue when they use a lot of magic, Syl herself is a shade of blue. The gem associated with them is sapphire. A yellow spren presumably would be associated with Bondsmiths or whatever their voidbinding equivalent is.
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Oct 13, 2017 16:20
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Okay... I'm looking forward to Oathbringer in November, but I haven't read either book since WoR. And I really don't have time to read almost 2,000 pages. What, would you say, is the best recap/synopsis of them? I have seen chapter-by-chapter synopses, but I'm not looking for that level of detail.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:04
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If you're going to enjoy Oathbringer, you'd enjoy the other books in the series. It's not like there's a due date on this stuff, just pick up the other books and read them. Once you're done, then read Oathbringer. If you're lucky, the next book will be done by the time you get through Oathbringer and you won't have to suffer through the relatively short but still annoying waiting period. If you really have to read it when it comes out for some reason, coppermind.net has chapter by chapter synopses of all of Brandon's stuff, e.g. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Words_of_Radiance/Summary
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Oct 17, 2017 11:55
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He’s already read the books once and was specifically asking for any summary besides the chapter-by-chapter ones on Tor
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Oct 17, 2017 12:24
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Coppermind is pretty well put together
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Oct 17, 2017 12:44
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Chapters 22-24: https://www.tor.com/2017/10/17/oathbringer-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-22-24/
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Oct 17, 2017 14:39
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I believe even less that the parshmen spren is a voidspren
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Oct 17, 2017 16:19
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I believe even less that the parshmen spren is a voidspren My money is still extremely on some kind of generally good - but rightfully suspicious of humans - cultivation spren we don't know about.
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Oct 17, 2017 17:32
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Interesting to see direct confirmation that Dalinar's memories coming back aren't due to his bond or any sort of Stormlight-based healing. Also had forgotten about the whole "Kaladin killed Shallan's brother" thing, which I'm sure will go well once she finds out.
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Oct 17, 2017 17:36
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Evil Fluffy posted:Interesting to see direct confirmation that Dalinar's memories coming back aren't due to his bond or any sort of Stormlight-based healing. The wording is instructive, something about "taking the pain away" so maybe the curse/boon mechanic figures he can have the memories back (slowly, to manage the potential pain) now that he's together with Navani. Also lmao a discussion on the Nightmother curse/boon so soon after Taravangian shows up on one of his 'dimmer' days. ekeog posted:My money is still extremely on some kind of generally good - but rightfully suspicious of humans - cultivation spren we don't know about. This seems likeliest. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:Interesting to see direct confirmation that Dalinar's memories coming back aren't due to his bond or any sort of Stormlight-based healing. I got the impression that she knew after hearing him tell the story but chose to say nothing about it.
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