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"Save me Haier Bajaj, you're my only hope!" - A China Woman.
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A few hundred million chinese young men getting red pilled all at once will probably be the trigger to the end of humanity
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Oct 12, 2017 17:42
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They're not red pill in their own bad way?
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Oct 12, 2017 18:47
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I'm surprised Steam isn't blocked in China. Maybe the government is afraid that would be the tipping point for revolution.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:54
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Devils Affricate posted:I'm surprised Steam isn't blocked in China. Maybe the government is afraid that would be the tipping point for revolution. It'll get blocked as soon as they can make an adequate ripoff and force publishers to use it or lose the Chinese market This might work for Steam games that have a lot of Chinese users but from what I understand the games whose profitability are contingent on the Chinese market tend to be relatively small indie ones. Big games that have a lot of Chinese players tend to be Blizzard games (which don't use Steam) or games with American developers but with a Chinese company with an ownership stake (League of Legends) I guess Dota, maybe? Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Oct 12, 2017 23:30
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Devils Affricate posted:I'm surprised Steam isn't blocked in China. Maybe the government is afraid that would be the tipping point for revolution. They are working on it. Tencent, one of China's biggest internet company announced earlier this year they are working on their version of Steam and has a history of publishing various popular games in China and blocking Chinese user from accessing international server once they release Chinese version of said game.
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Oct 13, 2017 00:15
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Fojar38 posted:It'll get blocked as soon as they can make an adequate ripoff and force publishers to use it or lose the Chinese market Getting onto DotA CN servers requires a Chinese software AFAIK. Going through Steam all I can ping are the SEA servers. Blizzard works but in order to transfer your account's region you need to give proof of your new residence and wait for approval. LoL and a whole host of others have to go through Tencent's software which is a bloated POS. And the net cafes out here will at random have their own software that you need to use to play, otherwise your connection will be poo poo (and of course they don't tell you this unless you complain about the speed). So I'll have to go through their software, into Tencent, into LoL. The amount of Chinese bloatware is just staggering. And don't get me started on office software. loving Christ... pirated Office (or a knockoff like WPS) with "360" protection bullshit on pirated Windows with QQ, WeChat, NetEase, TMall, Taobao and other adware all running at the same time. "Why does my PC run so slow?" my rear end. Every time I have to work on my wife's computer and 360 ads pop up I grumble and she's just like "Well I need Chinese anti-spyware to block Chinese viruses, Western software won't work." It's like TCM logic applied to computers.  EDIT: While I'm on an "officework in China" rant, I have never in my life been so furious at people using their cellphones. One-on-one meeting? Person is texting while you're talking to them. Group meeting/presentation? People don't bother turning their phones' audio off so you get WeChat pings and calls constantly. Boss wants you to explain a report to her? She'll take three different calls, turning a 15 minute conversation into an hour long waste of time. These are goddamn adults in a professional setting. And the best part is they'll "loudly whisper" about how you come in at 9 and leave at 5 and chat about how unwilling you are to stay late (for no overtime pay). loving hell do not come to work in China if you have anything close to decent prospects elsewhere. Amergin fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Oct 13, 2017 03:42
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Amergin posted:The amount of Chinese bloatware is just staggering. This is also true in Korea, it seems to be common across Asia. Japan is real bad with the computing machines too. Do not ever install any East Asian software on a machine you care about, it's all malwarey bloated crap. The work unprofessional stuff is really annoying. Yesterday I was asked to stay after work for a ten minute meeting about schedule changes and I was not having that one bit, forced it to be next week. I know what a "ten minute" meeting here means and gently caress if I'm staying a second after my work hours. Especially when there's an entire free morning next week to do it in.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:59
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whats so bad about 10 minutes?
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Oct 13, 2017 04:05
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From what I understand, how long you're in the office is more important than what you actually do. Is that the geist?
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Oct 13, 2017 04:06
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Ups_rail posted:whats so bad about 10 minutes? A ten minute meeting in China is minimum one hour. It's already an hour and a half commute home from that school and given traffic, if I don't leave on time I end up on the roads at the peak period and the commute magically transforms into three hours. I also have a strict policy of not being in the office for any time I'm not being paid for. nickmeister posted:From what I understand, how long you're in the office is more important than what you actually do. Is that the geist? This is accurate in Korea and Japan. China much less so, people GTFO like the building is on fire the second work ends.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:10
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Grand Fromage posted:This is accurate in Korea and Japan. China much less so, people GTFO like the building is on fire the second work ends. So is this not your experience? or are they talking about Japan/Korea?... Amergin posted:And the best part is they'll "loudly whisper" about how you come in at 9 and leave at 5 and chat about how unwilling you are to stay late (for no overtime pay).
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Oct 13, 2017 04:36
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Looking up people requesting help with Chinese malware a lot of the replies have turned out to be "Your antivirus/anti-malware scanner isn't picking it up because it isn't technically malware, that's just how genuine Chinese software behaves." Really makes you consider what precisely defines malware if Chinese programs that masquerade as something useful but have a ton of adware attached that immediately embeds itself in your OS upon install and can't be removed without a third party program doesn't qualify.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:43
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The gold standard anti-malware programs don't even recognize them as malware because, since we're a bunch of idiots enabling China, they consider Chinese security authentication to be legitimate.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:45
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Grand Fromage posted:A ten minute meeting in China is minimum one hour. It's already an hour and a half commute home from that school and given traffic, if I don't leave on time I end up on the roads at the peak period and the commute magically transforms into three hours. I also have a strict policy of not being in the office for any time I'm not being paid for. It's a regular thing that if the boss (AKA my wife's aunt) wants to stay and talk with my wife and me for a "quick status update" meeting, it will be set for 3:00 PM, it will start around 4:30 PM, and it will not end before 6:00 PM. It will also include waxing philosophical about business concepts in general, random tangents about how her son is such a failure, gossip about how she thinks none of her employees care about their jobs because they're not willingly working 2+ hours late every day (again for no overtime pay), and eventually we'll get around to the actual project in which every one of my questions for input will get a "Let me think about it and get back to you" (doesn't ever happen), and she will add several new functionalities to her requirements while bemoaning why the system isn't production ready yet (but this isn't a Chinese thing). EDIT: nickmeister posted:So is this not your experience? or are they talking about Japan/Korea?... I'm talking about China but I think it depends on the business. For example our accounting group is here probably 8-6 every day and they constantly complain about the amount of work they do. Our customer relations folks usually leave before 6 but probably once a week have to stay until 8 or later doing I don't even know what. Nobody here really tries to go for efficiency or long-term planning, they just make everything very tedious and bitch and moan about it. But in the building where I work there is a massive wave of people who leave right at 5, another who leave right at 6, and rush hour traffic in the evening here is from ~4:30 to 7:00. But for example our accounting group? None of them every bother to learn the business side of things, so nobody knows what the hell the numbers that they work with mean. They just get receipts and enter them. There isn't a separate AR/AP (GL? BAHAHA!) group, just two ladies who enter tickets and send out tickets. But apparently neither of them have worked in companies where the vendors/customers can delay payment, so the idea that a customer may not pay their bill for a couple months COMPLETELY throws them off. Like, to the point where they routinely forget to send out invoices. They also routinely forget (or just plain DON'T) keep track/enter the invoices that they sent out, so they'll forget they already billed someone. Nor do they really communicate with each other or the customer relations folks. Keep in mind the accounting ladies are using a government software to track all of this (as required) - it's not even like they're simply mired in a poorly formatted Excel sheet. So to your original point, in China I don't think most workers have the mindset of "time in the office is more important than efficiency" - they just don't give a poo poo. Clock in, do whatever is in front of you, clock out. They prefer to clock out on time, but if they have a stack of work to do, they'll do it without bothering to mentally note "how can I avoid this next time?" Now the managers and bosses, they think time in the office reflects your dedication to the business. Higher level folks, for whatever loving reason, seem to spend tons of time in the office (to kiss rear end to their bosses I assume) and so they're bitter if the underlings don't do the same. A friend of mine out here is a government secretary for a large bank, and he has to basically work from 7 to midnight every day just because his boss works those hours. It's not even necessarily that he has work to do, it's just that he doesn't leave before the boss leaves. So at no level here does anyone really care about efficiency or being thorough or attention to detail (well they care it's just not prioritized), it's just face and loyalty. Amergin fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Oct 13, 2017 04:49
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Anecdotally, my office in Taiwan has a clear distinction between what's expected of the foreigners--the punch-card machine is in the front room, get your work done and get to 40 hours a week roughly however you want and you're good--and what's expected of the Taiwanese staff, who all pull longer hours than that even if looking around at the office after the boss goes home people are clearly loving around on their phones or talking to each other.
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Oct 13, 2017 05:16
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nickmeister posted:So is this not your experience? or are they talking about Japan/Korea?... It's not my experience or anybody I know, but China is big and there are many workplaces. Korea that's for sure the standard and places where people leave on time are the exception. You are expected to stay at work until the boss leaves, and your boss is an old alcoholic man who hates his family so he never leaves. Part of why Korea has extremely low productivity per hour worked is a good portion of every workday is spent sitting around doing literally nothing at all to appear to be working hard.
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Oct 13, 2017 05:31
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mV1EY6wZHo For those of you who don't follow serpentza on Youtube, if you follow this thread, you should follow serpentza
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Oct 13, 2017 05:48
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not my experience or anybody I know, but China is big and there are many workplaces. When I was teaching at a high school in Korea I was interrogated because of an incident where I was not being unproductive "the right way". I was in the office near the end of the day surfing SA and reading the news (instead of playing on a phone, shopping online, or sleeping at my desk). My head teacher asked me why I was not working and I told him all my work was done. He then suggested that I prepare for the next day's classes. I then explained that what I meant by "all done" was that I had finished all of my prep-work until Christmas break (this was early-mid October). I told him to pick a random day, and then showed him my lesson plans, the PPT I made, the handouts I would print, and the rubrics/exemplars for the lesson. He sort of just sat down and stared into space for a bit, then asked me to show him how I was able to do all of this so fast. In 15 minutes I went through a process where I used one of the dozens of lesson templates and put in new materials, questions, videos, pictures, and prompts and questions. I showed him how everything was basically a form that I would fill out to generate new lesson plans/instructions/lectures and classwork. He, and everyone else in the office would start every task, every lesson, every write-up from scratch, and go through the pains of creating everything over and over again, every day. Even their classes seemed to be one-offs, which little to no overlap from day to day. So instead of starting a project that might last 2-3 classes, or even stretch into a second week, they would always create self-contained lessons, having to start something entirely new every class. Some of the teachers would even try and start 2-3 new things per class, so that their lessons were like little sketch-comedy shows, breaking the hour up into multiple parts, not having time to properly do anything, or complete anything, then starting the process all over again the next day. I on the other hand would give the kids project-based tasks more often, allowing them to get some satisfaction from actually finishing a task, and giving myself more time to plan ahead and make sure the lessons were engaging and well put together. It's not that they were lazy, or dumb, it's that they were just really inefficient, and following a "brute force" method of doing work, which was how they were taught to do everything since Kindergarten. Korea is still in the "labour is cheap, throw a million people at the problem" mindset because the country is still being run by 60+ year olds who were raised in that environment and are not that keen to change. As new blood works its way up the ladders of power, things are starting to change. I have not been in Korea for almost 10 years, so I might be a little out of date.
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Oct 13, 2017 06:21
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An 8.5-tonne Chinese space station has accelerated its out-of-control descent towards Earth and is expected to crash to the surface within a few months. The Tiangong-1 or “Heavenly Palace” lab was launched in 2011 and described as a “potent political symbol” of China, part of an ambitious scientific push to turn China into a space superpower.
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Oct 13, 2017 06:48
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:An 8.5-tonne Chinese space station has accelerated its out-of-control descent towards Earth and is expected to crash to the surface within a few months. lol
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Oct 13, 2017 06:53
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Is it going to hit Taiwan on re-entry?
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Oct 13, 2017 06:57
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Space Face.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:05
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Blistex posted:following a "brute force" method of doing work, which was how they were taught to do everything since Kindergarten. Korea is still in the "labour is cheap, throw a million people at the problem" mindset because the country is still being run by 60+ year olds who were raised in that environment and are not that keen to change. gently caress my life.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:09
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value-brand cereal posted:They're not red pill in their own bad way? 5000 years of red pill. Grand Fromage posted:A ten minute meeting in China is minimum one hour. And 45 minutes of that meeting at my school will be our head teacher rambling loudly, angrily, and repetitiously while everyone from the TAs to the director are visibly nodding off. quote:This is accurate in Korea and Japan. China much less so, people GTFO like the building is on fire the second work ends. China never had private-sector lifetime employment. The only way to get ahead is to GTFO the moment you find a better offer. There's no loyalty and no team spirit, despite attempts by some employers to do those weird team assemblies and formations they like in Japanese and Korean companies. Chinese companies aren't gonna hold up their end of that shitshow.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:28
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At least this time they are burning down the palace themselves instead of the British. Some tech must have missed a burn and chabuduo because he didn't know enough about rockets other than following orders because Mainland education is  . Almost everybody else are responsible enough to dump their poo poo it into the Pacific or put things into a graveyard orbit or at least try to.But then these are the guys that tested a satellite killer missile generating a poo poo ton of debris despite protests from everyone.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:39
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:An 8.5-tonne Chinese space station has accelerated its out-of-control descent towards Earth and is expected to crash to the surface within a few months. Couldn't be more symbolic if it was deliberate.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:51
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:An 8.5-tonne Chinese space station has accelerated its out-of-control descent towards Earth and is expected to crash to the surface within a few months. I'm sure "space" and other words are already banned in China.
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Oct 13, 2017 08:20
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Just in case anyone's curious, because of the instability making it difficult to predict when the station will re-enter, it's not going to be possible to guess where it will re-enter until pretty much right before it does.
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Oct 13, 2017 08:26
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Oh, also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/13/chinas-wechat-app-translates-black-foreigner-to-n-wordquote:China’s most popular chat app has apologised after its software used the N-word to translate a Chinese phrase that commonly means “black foreigner”.
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Oct 13, 2017 08:31
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Devils Affricate posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mV1EY6wZHo
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Oct 13, 2017 08:47
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:An 8.5-tonne Chinese space station has accelerated its out-of-control descent towards Earth and is expected to crash to the surface within a few months. its not surprising it's coming back down to earth when you consider it's 5000 years old
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Oct 13, 2017 09:01
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Devils Affricate posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mV1EY6wZHo Hey, at least they have separate bins there. The problem there is people not giving a poo poo. Here in Kunming? Here they have two openings labeled "Recycle"/"Other" and they just go to one big bin. That is face.
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Oct 13, 2017 09:02
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I'm not even through the first video and I already counted like 15 people gawking at the foreigner in the background
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Oct 13, 2017 09:13
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also lol even in Toronto people make at least a half-assed attempt to put their garbage in the right bins
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Oct 13, 2017 09:14
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:An 8.5-tonne Chinese space station has accelerated its out-of-control descent towards Earth and is expected to crash to the surface within a few months. 
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Oct 13, 2017 09:25
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Amergin posted:Hey, at least they have separate bins there. The problem there is people not giving a poo poo. They have separate bins here but when you see the trash guys go through they just dump both into the same truck bed, so. E: My attempt to defeat the lack of giving a poo poo is I put all my recycling in its own bag and put it outside for the old/homeless people to take to the recycling center for money. At least it's going to the right place and somebody's getting some money for it. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Oct 13, 2017 11:53
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not my experience or anybody I know, but China is big and there are many workplaces. Can't remember if it was a goon or a friend of a friend, but I remember hearing about someone who started managing a team of people in Japan. First day, the new westerner sticks his head out of the office door at 5:30pm and everyone is heads down buried in work, so he figures it's a busy period and will stick around for a bit to show moral support as the new boss. 7pm rolls around and nobody has moved, everyone still working hard. By 9:30pm it's still the same situation so he figures it's ridiculous and leaves. This went on for a week or so before he realised they weren't actually working, they were just waiting around so that they didn't leave before the boss 
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Oct 13, 2017 15:08
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Amergin posted:Every time I have to work on my wife's computer and 360 ads pop up I grumble and she's just like "Well I need Chinese anti-spyware to block Chinese viruses, Western software won't work." It's like TCM logic applied to computers. lol
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Oct 13, 2017 15:48
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My girlfriend also does this, despite growing up in the UK. Also she's paranoid that Facebook and BBC are spying on her - while using a baidu browser. No I don't get it either.
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