|
Keeshhound posted:I think this is probably a big part of why 5 felt shakier to me; the plot is pretty tightly paced right up to the point where you have your confrontation with Shido. Everything after that, while still pretty solid, does feel... I guess "rushed" is the closest I can come to describing it, but that's not really it, either. I think the narrative might have worked better if Shido was the ultimate confrontation (but then we also wouldn't have the devil shooting god in the face, so I agree. P5 isn't too different from 4 in this regard. I have yet to find anyone who is a huge fan of Izanami and the final little arc in P4. Persona 4 and 5 have magic sure but they still revolve around humans. Izanami and Yaldy feel like a huge change, no matter what foreshadowing they might have had. Pursuing the Killer and Shido and then confronting them felt appropriately climactic since it built logically on everything that came before. But everything afterward with the supernatural big bads just feels off.
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 14:47
|
|
)
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 14:22 |
|
|
I liked the Izanami reveal because it kept with the overall theme of having to search for the truth even when the easy out is staring you in the face, tapping it's foot impatiently. I do wonder if maybe Jaldabaoth was meant to have his moment earlier in the story during an earlier version before all of the plot rewrites that apparantly happened. I'm having trouble thinking of a way to do P5's plot sans supernatural puppetmaster without some major changes to other parts of the story, but that might be at least partly to do with the fact that 3, 4 and now 5 all follow the same plot skeleton, which I'm also not super happy about. Edit: poo poo, forgot which thread this was, sorry. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Oct 6, 2017 |
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 14:57
|
|
|
Maybe you guys should put some spoiler bars on this stuff
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 15:12
|
|
|
Yeah I find it hilarious that you're tiptoeing around the P4 reveal but just openly spoiling the entire end of P5.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 15:15
|
|
|
Ryuji is the killer
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 15:55
|
|
|
Waffleman_ posted:But as a caveat, no NES RPG is playable in 2017. Not a one. Not even Final Fantasy. I regularly play both Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. But I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 16:35
|
|
|
Adachi is the killer
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 17:31
|
|
|
well, he only killed one person so.... oh wait, two. I forgot Saki existed.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 17:40
|
|
|
Adachi killed news reporter, Mayumi Yamano and Yosuke's friend and third year high school student at Yasogami High, Saki Konishi.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 19:49
|
|
|
hosed up if true
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 19:50
|
|
|
I heard he has a fondness for cabbages.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 20:28
|
|
|
Keeshhound posted:I liked the Izanami reveal because it kept with the overall theme of having to search for the truth even when the easy out is staring you in the face, tapping it's foot impatiently. The major twist is very, very subtly hinted to at the very beginning of the game, in two instances.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 20:28
|
|
|
Beelerzebub posted:90s Megaten could really use full-on remakes. The stories are all interesting, but they've all aged so badly (except Jack Bros, which is only hindered by the fact that it's on the Virtual Boy). I remember how shortly after Nocturne's release I was looking for stuff about it on the internet and I stumbled a fansite that pretty much loathed Nocturne and considered it a step down from the originals.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 20:50
|
|
|
DemiFiend is still best boy. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 21:52
|
|
|
Keeshhound posted:I heard he has a fondness for cabbages. Mayonnaise cabbage even.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2017 21:57
|
|
|
Agathion is the killer.
|
|
#
?
Oct 8, 2017 00:37
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/motherboard/status/917804430459797504 Oh dear.
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2017 16:50
|
|
|
That seems like a lot of money to promote a remake of a DS game. Even the stunts for Persona 5 didn't get much bigger than "we got Tokyo Tower to cut their lights off for like a minute," but I guess all the P5 DLC was really, really profitable so they've got cash to burn.
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2017 19:52
|
|
|
I don't know, this may be the work of the fans and not Sega/Atlus. After all, it wasn't Sega that decided Sonic the Hedgehog should become pregnant, but pregnant Sonic the Hedgehog did become.
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2017 20:33
|
|
|
So if anybody remembers (and why would you) I tried playing Persona 2 Innocent Sin and was very critical of it, eventually giving up when I lost my save file. But I've been in a lot of Persona discussions lately after playing P5 and figured I should go see what all the fuss was about with P2. It's sort of like how I ended up really liking Final Fantasy VI. I just put all the hype behind me and powered on through. After a point things get really, really good. Furthermore, if you bite the bullet and wander around town after every story event, you do occasionally get very interesting dialogue from your party or NPC's. By the end there are far too many stores and people to talk to but it still is rewarding in a way. But yeah, I ended up really loving the game. Good characters, interesting setting, the story was different and unique. I still have Eternal Punishment I bought off PSN and I can play on my PSTV. I hope the translation is okay as it's a JRPG from the 90s made by a small company. I also hear it's a lot harder than IS so I maybe need to figure out what I was doing wrong in IS that I never once got any Priestess, Emperor, Empress or Justice cards.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 20:27
|
|
|
Priestess, Empress, Emperor and Hierophant are special arcana (roughly corresponding to Megami, Lady, Diety and... one of the other Light-aligned races in standard SMT), so you don't encounter them in combat. You have to make a contract with a demon (Get Green during contact three times), then when you bump into them again you have to get Tarot cards from them (Get Yellow during contact three times), and they'll give you a bunch of Free Tarot along with their normal arcana. You can take the Free Tarot over to Kaneko in the Velvet Room and trade them for Priestess/Empress/Emperor/Hierophant cards (or really, whatever cards you need, except for Fool, but that's ok because Fool Personas are not worth the price of admission). It's not especially challenging, but it is kind of a hard mode compared to IS. You go much longer without a full party, a lot of the Personas have been nerfed
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 20:54
|
|
|
That makes sense. I did get Contracts with demons every now and then but I figured that was to get items and money and information. I had no idea that Contract + "Interest" (the exclamation mark) was how you got Free Tarot. Thanks for telling me.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 21:05
|
|
|
The translation has its rough points. Part of it is trying to stay consistent with Persona 1's localization, so you get a lot of "My name is Nate Nanjou and this is my friend Mary Sonomura and we're all from Lunarvale!", part of it is just the game's writing ("Hi my name is Katsuya Suou and my little brother is Tatsuya Suou and I strongly suspect Tatsuya Sudou, son of Tatsuzou Sudou, is involved in this case!"), but I think since you just played IS it won't be that bad since you have a reference point for a lot of these characters. The voice acting is very "this was a JRPG released on the Playstation" but it has a couple of gems in there (Sudou's is perfect. Also Ulala is Amanda Winn-Lee!)
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 21:14
|
|
|
NikkolasKing posted:I also hear it's a lot harder than IS so I maybe need to figure out what I was doing wrong in IS that I never once got any Priestess, Emperor, Empress or Justice cards. For Persona games EP is the most difficult but even then it's still mostly a matter of figuring out the game's specific mechanics hoops it wants you to jump through to get what you need and then you're largely fine. For SMT games in general the difficulty is fair to middlin'. e: NikkolasKing posted:I personally was happy with P4G's plot but evidently others wanted more. It's my breaking point as well. I like the plot of 1, 2, and 5 more than 3 or 4. I like them all as games in the end but 4's focus on the characters lets me down a bit because I had a hard time connecting with them compared to 3. How I feel about them isn't how the game seems to feel about them, except Kanji, who's great. Also the only girl I could stand to date and have extra scenes with was Ai and I think that means that the game ultimately wasn't ever going to fully hook me. Adlai Stevenson fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 12, 2017 |
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 21:52
|
|
|
Right now my Persona ranking is: Persona 4 Golden Persona 2: Innocent Sin Persona 3 FES Persona 5 Lots of people compare P2 and P5 but I saw some 4 in 2 as well, namely how much I ended up loving the city. That's something I never felt in 3 or 5. 4 made me think of Inaba as another home and I was greatly invested in saving it and stuff like the part in the ending where it seems Junes is no longer destroying all the small business and the town is in fact on the way to economic recovery was awesome. P2, with its demand you talk to loving everybody all the time, eventually won me over when I realized these people aren't actually badly written weirdos. They're suffering the effects of a mad god thing loving with them for years. No one was free from his machinations, not even our heroes. Watching that place descend into chaos was wonderful and people like Yukino and Eikichi elaborate on it wonderfully. Yukino for instance mentions that In Laqetti and all that Maiyan alien nonsense became so popular precisely because people were trying to run away from the terrorist attacks. They wanted any excuse to justify the fear and also their privilege when the rest of the world is about to be destroyed. Also watching various folks turn into Shadow Selves as things deteriorated. P2 was a really good game when I gave it a chance and I only prefer 4 because I connected with the characters a bit more. Also the gameplay was of course way, way, way better. Also can I say that while IS had a loving amazing soundtrack, its boss theme really wore on me after a while. It really needed a different one. Fighting Hitler and his knights was a highlight of the game simply because they got the best battle theme. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Oct 12, 2017 |
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 22:51
|
|
|
Yeah, Sumaru feels like a real city (it's Yokohama).
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 22:53
|
|
|
NikkolasKing posted:cool words Right now I'm at EP > 5 > IS > 1 > P3P > 4G although I really gotta stress that I like all these games, it's just relative to one another. Never played FES. I completely agree with liking Sumaru and Inaba more than Tokyo. The subway system was neat, and I liked unlocking new places to go, and it makes sense that a lot of them are just hangout spots. But when there's this whole city stitched together and I only visit two or three spots unless the game makes me the setting doesn't compel me very strongly. On the other hand as someone who did some growing up in the woods outside a small town Inaba does a good job making the place feel like a real home for its people. And yeah the gameplay of 4 is largely stronger than older games' but I'll genuinely drop a lot of modern niceties to get negotiation. It's why I liked playing 5 so much independent of what I felt about the story (mostly liked it) and the characters (mostly were okay); having modern gameplay with negotiation felt so nice. The stealth could've been more intricate but whatever, I'm glad I got any at all. MonsieurChoc posted:Yeah, Sumaru feels like a real city (it's Yokohama). Sumaru in EP is my favorite SMT setting. The gameplay is old and rough, no arguments. But EP has a story I like, gameplay I can handle with a smile, a touch of real difficulty, negotiations, and the setting is fantastic.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 23:12
|
|
|
1 above 4, what
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 23:14
|
|
|
Arist posted:1 above 4, what I don't mind 1's gameplay--I'm pro-grid, grind-neutral, overall favorable--and I like its story much more. Maki's journey and exploring the town's new reality does more for me than the psuedo murder investigation and teen faffing. The characters are comparatively flat in 1 but I'll take flat over what 4 serves up. Most of what I like in 4 is pleasing gameplay, the setting of Inaba, Kanji, Saki's brother, and Ai. As a package 4 is superseded, for my tastes, by the other games in the series. I also just learned that supersede isn't spelled with a 'c', how about that
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 23:31
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 23:31
|
|
|
You gotta choose a side. Pro-grid or anti-grid.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 23:43
|
|
|
Arist posted:1 above 4, what 4 is actively a dumpster fire, so it's really not a surprise.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 23:48
|
|
|
It's good actually
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2017 23:50
|
|
|
4 is a great game but it suffers from over exposure and I think that soured a lot of people on it
|
|
#
?
Oct 13, 2017 00:01
|
|
|
I rely on autocorrect to catch my spelling errors, I'm sorry DalaranJ posted:You gotta choose a side. Pro-grid or anti-grid. Getting the MC and Elly on the flanks with rifles for coverage is how I have a good time
|
|
#
?
Oct 13, 2017 00:18
|
|
|
p4 writing is way tighter and better than p5s, that's not even a contest. p5 is a better game but it's a mess in all other respects
|
|
#
?
Oct 13, 2017 00:23
|
|
|
So I have an Innocent Sin plot question. Dunno if I should spoiler it? Just in case: Was Hitler always Nyarlathotep? While rumors made real people act crazy or different, I'm unsure if all the people who were literally conjured from thin air are actual people or just extensions of it. Basically were all the Nazis and Mayan Aliens Nya? The aliens noticeably had the exact same powers as the heroes which I figured was supposed to mean...something. They were Nya's fabricated counterparts or jokes at our expense?
|
|
#
?
Oct 13, 2017 00:54
|
|
|
The only games I liked were p4 and p5, I'm the target audience for leaving the franchise to casuals
|
|
#
?
Oct 13, 2017 00:57
|
|
|
Dragonatrix posted:4 is actively a dumpster fire, so it's really not a surprise. We're talking about Persona here not mainline SMT
|
|
#
?
Oct 13, 2017 00:57
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 14:22 |
|
|
Item Getter posted:We're talking about Persona here not mainline SMT 
|
|
#
?
Oct 13, 2017 01:02
|
|
