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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Lets try this another way. Are the benefits offered by WaPo, even after the cuts, better than average? Does him cutting the existing benefits make him worse than people that do not offer those benefits at all? you know who is richer than anyone else at wapo and is most deserving of a cut in benefits and compensation? jeff loving bezos
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Nosfereefer posted:What are you even trying to say here? That benefit cuts are good because things could be worse? That the fact that somebody else could have done the same thing absolves him in any way? No.
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Condiv posted:you know who is richer than anyone else at wapo and is most deserving of a cut in benefits and compensation? jeff loving bezos Sure.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sure. so then why should i care about how well the wapo journalists are compensated aside from the fact that they should be compensated better, not worse, just like all workers?
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Oct 13, 2017 00:02
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Kokoro Wish posted:Any truth to the rumors that Bezos took $600 Million from the intelligence agencies while head of WaPo and that this might have some distinct conflict of interest issues? https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-details-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632/ And there are no conflict of interest issues as bezos doesn't have editorial control over wapo. I mean you're going to claim he does this but either you trust the organization to stand up to their owner if the owner acts irresponsibly, or you dont. I do, which is why I read them. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:My point is that you guys chose a strange target, and WaPo, while cutting benefits is bad, is still very good to their employees. I think your efforts of criticism, while valid, are sort of tone deaf when it comes to the reality of the labor market. Most people do not have even the benefits that WaPo offers, and we should be working to get to that point instead of making GBS threads on an employer that currently is doing better than 75% of the labor market. if there was a story about labour relations at some other work place we'd be talking about that workplace, you numpty. The subject came up because someone linked a story, we didn't just spin the loving wheel and see that it landed on wapo
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awesmoe posted:if there was a story about labour relations at some other work place we'd be talking about that workplace, you numpty. The subject came up because someone linked a story, we didn't just spin the loving wheel and see that it landed on wapo the story probably wouldn't have got half the attention it has either if people hadn't tried to spin the benefits cut as a good thing
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Condiv posted:the story probably wouldn't have got half the attention it has either if people hadn't tried to spin the benefits cut as a good thing A thing that did not happen.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:My point is that you guys chose a strange target, and WaPo, while cutting benefits is bad, is still very good to their employees. I think your efforts of criticism, while valid, are sort of tone deaf when it comes to the reality of the labor market. Most people do not have even the benefits that WaPo offers, and we should be working to get to that point instead of making GBS threads on an employer that currently is doing better than 75% of the labor market. We didn't "choose a target" numbnuts. Someone posted a story and other people reacted to it. That's what the thread does. And then you loving freaked out because you love every rich rear end in a top hat in the world, or something? Or you just hate ~~INTERNET LEFTISTS~~ so much that you're letting your rage get the better of your judgement.
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What the gently caress is going on in here?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:man, look at them come out of the woodwork. Is there a signal or something, or do they use pheromones? Look, let's be honest. You're automatically taking this position just because people you don't like are taking the opposite position. Also, isn't the bolded part like a literal textbook "crabs in a bucket" argument? (Compared with my job, the proposed changes are worse; my job provides me with yearly raises to keep up with inflation, if not a little more.) edit: And to be clear, my job isn't anything that fancy; since there's no point in being vague, I make about $34k/yr. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:My point is that you guys chose a strange target, and WaPo, while cutting benefits is bad, is still very good to their employees. I think your efforts of criticism, while valid, are sort of tone deaf when it comes to the reality of the labor market. Most people do not have even the benefits that WaPo offers, and we should be working to get to that point instead of making GBS threads on an employer that currently is doing better than 75% of the labor market. You're defeating your own argument. The fact that WaPo is currently doing comparatively well and treating its employees better is even more of a reason to condemn the cuts to benefits. In your rush to counter the evil internet leftists you're not making any sense. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Arglebargle III posted:What the gently caress is going on in here? funny comment when i imagine jed saying it lol
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Nevvy Z posted:Is he currently doing a good or a bad thing by changing their benefits though? I saw two numbers claimed. Well, the numbers on the HuffPost article (the only source that's been posted this far) are pretty drat bad, with no guarantee of even basic cost-of-living raises. The unsourced numbers someone else posted are slightly less bad, but they didn't make any attempt to defend or source those numbers when they were challenged, so for all I know they could be bullshit.
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Ytlaya posted:Your data doesn't even address what people are talking about. The claim is "Bezos seems to be doing stuff that will decrease conditions for WaPo workers" and you gave stats showing workers are currently happy. They're not that smart and they don't care. 30 years of corporate propaganda has taught them that cutting wages and benefits is the smart people thing to do because we all have to tighten our belts and the billionaires just can't afford charity anymore, and they relish bring the smart people explaining tough truths to whiners who think proles' livelihoods and families are more important than another yacht for the John Galts of the world.
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Totally off the current topics but def USPOL related, does anyone have a favorite account of Bernie vs Hillary to link? After all the dust settled and the hot takes cooled down who had the best take-away? I know that chat was had and there used to be threads about it. I tried searching but you can imagine how hilarious those search strings ended up being. please don't derail please don't derail oh god this is gonna hurt
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Tunafish posted:Totally off the current topics but def USPOL related, does anyone have a favorite account of Bernie vs Hillary to link? After all the dust settled and the hot takes cooled down who had the best take-away? That's probably better suited for the Thunderdome thread, I'd guess?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:man, look at them come out of the woodwork. Is there a signal or something, or do they use pheromones? Holy Christ this post. Do you by chance yell at homeless people on the side of the road about how awesome they have it compared to random third world countries? I'm guessing "Get a job you bum!" comes after that part.
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BadOptics posted:Holy Christ this post. Do you by chance yell at homeless people on the side of the road about how awesome they have it compared to random third world countries? I'm guessing "Get a job you bum!" comes after that part. Third world peasants are living the high life. Most people are literally dead, and I don't see any of them asking for handouts.
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i'm a print journalist and people itt who think the staffing situation at wapo is exceptional have no clue about anything. that is baseline poo poo at any employer part of the news guild or any communications union. bloomberg bna (which kept its union after being bought out) puts those benefits to shame and they're a trade paper. rather than blessing lord god jeffrey for his endless generosity perhaps we should be...thanking the union??? without which i have no doubt bezos would be clear cutting that place and making it even more of a state dept mouthpiece than it already is R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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R. Guyovich posted:i'm a print journalist and people itt who think the staffing situation at wapo is exceptional have no clue about anything. that is baseline poo poo at any employer part of the news guild or any communications union. bloomberg bna (which kept its union after being bought out) puts those benefits to shame and they're a trade paper. State department mouthpiece? what? Maybe in previous admins but they've been pretty hostile to the Trump government. e: or do you mean just being pro-american or w/e
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Grapplejack posted:State department mouthpiece? what? Maybe in previous admins but they've been pretty hostile to the Trump government. Foggy Bottom isn't the White House
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I'm confused, is it the liberals or the leftists who are worse than Nazis? According to liberals: it depends. Did a leftist hurt their feelings today? Then that liberal might tell you leftists are worse than Nazis (esp if feeling were hurt over accusations of collaboration), and that they spread right-wing talking points, etc etc.
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Kilroy posted:According to leftists: neither, but many liberals end up being collaborators, if unwittingly.  they sure whine like right wingers.
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Hello, I am a black identity extremist.quote:The new buzz phrase is “black identity extremists,” and since it has been coined by the FBI, we can accurately assume that this is COINTELPRO 2.0. It will not stop here. They are painting us with a wide brush and making us the enemy because we dare demand equal treatment and justice. They are already finding multiple ways to create punitive damages for black people who speak out against injustice. In short: gently caress the FBI, and gently caress white fragility. 
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Trabisnikof posted:Foggy Bottom isn't the White House
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 are your feelings hurt?
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Koalas March posted:Hello, I am a black identity extremist. I mean I don't really have an opinion on black identity I just want to set a dumpster on fire because I'm sad and because I am definitely white enough to get away with it.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Do I have to be black to join the extremism? What in tarnation is an "opinion on black identity"?
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DrHammond posted:What in tarnation is an "opinion on black identity"?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Do I have to be black to join the extremism? Try stealing money from goons with a fraudulent charity.
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Kilroy posted:just summing up the state of things for the uninformed Christ, u mad bro in 2017. if anyone wants to be informed on the youtube commenter take we'll be sure to let you know.
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Koalas March posted:Hello, I am a black identity extremist. This is why I agree with Coates that reconciliation isn’t possible, certainly not in our lifetimes, probably not ever. Whites, particularly white men, are a cancer and this world can’t be saved unless the cancer is removed. Full stop. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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finally, when white men are gone, we can set up fraudulent charities to steal from our brothers and sisters in peace (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Volkerball posted:Christ, u mad bro in 2017. if anyone wants to be informed on the youtube commenter take we'll be sure to let you know. This thread routinely shits on leftists and dogpiles for such casual and inherently true observations like "you shouldn't enable your lovely Trump-loving friends and relatives" and my statement which you originally replied to is thoroughly correct.
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Under the vegetable posted:Try stealing money from goons with a fraudulent charity. Under the vegetable posted:finally, when white men are gone, we can set up fraudulent charities to steal from our brothers and sisters in peace I don't get it.
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Office Pig posted:I don't get it. KM is setting up a thing to help out black goons. After initially doing it as a patreon thing, she pulled that because there were problems with using that format. I'm not even sure it was even up long enough to receive any money, but that won't stop certain parties from trying to scream fraud.
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C. Everett Koop posted:This is why I agree with Coates that reconciliation isn’t possible, certainly not in our lifetimes, probably not ever. are we talking, like, one drop, or paper bag, or what? how do we tell?
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awesmoe posted:are we talking, like, one drop, or paper bag, or what? how do we tell? Serum based differential test for imperialist tendencies and Voight-Kampff machine.
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