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I don't buy Padme being into Anakin. I just don't buy it, sorry.
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Schneider Heim posted:The Phantom Menace is better than the other prequels because Anakin was a cute sassy kid instead of some creepy teen. The romance subplot in Attack of the Clones was cringeworthy. I love when people invent arbitrary prequel-specific rules, like ‘creepy teens have no place in cinema’.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:33
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I love when people invent arbitrary prequel-specific rules, like ‘creepy teens have no place in cinema’. No but Hayden Christiansen was an awful actor which made the creepy teen worse quote:I don't buy Padme being into Anakin. I just don't buy it, sorry.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:37
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Brother Entropy posted:it's boring because it's rushed, it's far more interested in speeding along to the next epic setpiece or OT callback than slowing down to provide a larger context for why anything is happening or characterizing any of its new cast(except kylo ren) As I think someone else hinted at, the fist 15 minutes we spend with Rey basically just going through her daily routine is easily the strongest stretch in the movie.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:50
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Schneider Heim posted:No but Hayden Christiansen was an awful actor which made the creepy teen worse I think Hayden Christensen portrays a creepy, insecure, melodramatic teen quite well. In fact he did it so well it effectively ended his career
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Oct 13, 2017 04:53
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Schneider Heim posted:No but Hayden Christiansen was an awful actor which made the creepy teen worse Yeah we’ve seen this song & dance before. You say teens are bad, then, no, the acting is bad. We ask you to explain what’s wrong with the acting and then you say, well, the script is bad. And so-on. You may as well skip to the “it’s just bad, ok?!” part.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:56
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General Dog posted:As I think someone else hinted at, the fist 15 minutes we spend with Rey basically just going through her daily routine is easily the strongest stretch in the movie. It’s by far my favorite part of the movie, and one of the few parts that shows us something truly new. More than anything else she does or says, those quiet contemplative scenes make Rey likable to me.
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Oct 13, 2017 05:11
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General Dog posted:I think Hayden Christensen portrays a creepy, insecure, melodramatic teen quite well. In fact he did it so well it effectively ended his career By this (flawed) logic, the role of Hannibal Lector (a creepy character!) should have ended Anthony Hopkins' career after The Silence of the Lambs.
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Oct 13, 2017 06:43
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Yeah we’ve seen this song & dance before. You say teens are bad, then, no, the acting is bad. We ask you to explain what’s wrong with the acting and then you say, well, the script is bad. And so-on. Can you tell us what is good about the romance subplot of AotC
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Oct 13, 2017 06:43
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I love the scene in the crashed Star Destroyer, which reminded me a lot of the wrecked ship at the end of the Valerian comic Empire of a Thousand Planets.
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Oct 13, 2017 06:46
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Wandle Cax posted:Can you tell us what is good about the romance subplot of AotC I like how Anakin thinks he's the gallant knight in some sort of chivalrous courtly romance story, but people shoot him down at every turn, so he acts all miffed about it. Padmé says he'll always be a little boy and Obi-Wan is all but rolling his eyes at what an idiot Anakin is around her at the first meeting. When they go to Naboo, he tries to take charge and be manly in front of the Queen, but Padmé immediately emasculates him. He's constantly denied validation and it's kind of funny. Although Padmé finally gives in to the urges they’re both obviously feeling, it’s only in a moment of mortal peril, coming right after Anakin has utterly failed to save the day. But it's fine, because then he finally does get to tame his horny bull and ride it into her pussy!
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Oct 13, 2017 07:00
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Wandle Cax posted:Can you tell us what is good about the romance subplot of AotC lol Me and my GF watched the movies recently (I recommended that we skip the prequels but she's a huge fan of Ewan McGregor, so there's that) and we thought that TPM was pretty decent. She liked it well enough (kid Anakin was her favorite, and gushed over Amidala's clothes), but when we got to AotC, we found teen Anakin super-pushy towards Amidala and their scenes were very uncomfortable to watch. We felt that if they trimmed that down and made Anakin less rapey (he was really coming on to her) the rest of the movie would have been better, because it didn't feel like it had a proper ending and more of a jumping point to The Clone Wars. I mean I like Anakin as a padawan (I read through the recent Obi-wan & Anakin comic at lunch and it was pretty good), but yeech. RotS was okay, though. Overall she liked the prequels more than I thought she would (she called the whole thing "Obi-wan Deserved Better: The Trilogy"), and I didn't feel like my time was wasted (unlike, say Peter Jackson's The Hobbit). But really my takeaway is that TPM doesn't deserve most of the poo poo fans throw at it. It was pretty fun even if the movie's plot didn't matter in the long run, and Amidala's queen getup, man.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:12
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General Dog posted:As I think someone else hinted at, the fist 15 minutes we spend with Rey basically just going through her daily routine is easily the strongest stretch in the movie. I don't particularly like Rey as a character (or Poe or Finn, for that matter, they all feel very thin) but, yeah, I do think that's one of the parts of TFA that actually stuck with me. But even so, it's still kind of flat.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:16
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UmOk posted:I watched it the other day. I wish I had the capability to screen shot stuff as I am watching it because there is so much poo poo in there that just looks fantastic. Every frame in the Naboo capital or whatever looks like a painting.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:18
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I watched TFA for the second time last night. It's enjoyable, but to be honest I think Rogue One is a better movie. It's certainly better acted and shot. I kinda disliked Maz's voice. It doesn't really sound like she's doing a 'character', it kinda just feels like a normal persons' voice. It's a really nice speaking voice, but it doesn't really mesh with the design, at least to me. It's hard to not imagine Yoda being dubbed with Frank Oz's normal speaking voice.
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Oct 13, 2017 10:59
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Schneider Heim posted:but when we got to AotC, we found teen Anakin super-pushy towards Amidala and their scenes were very uncomfortable to watch. We felt that if they trimmed that down and made Anakin less rapey (he was really coming on to her) the rest of the movie would have been better "It's bad that the character is a creep" "Why?" "Well the acting is bad" "Why?" "Well the character comes off as a creep"
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Oct 13, 2017 11:22
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"It's bad that the character is a creep" For once, I actually completely agree with you. I think most of people's problems with the "romance" is a result of two things. Firstly, George's awkward dialog. And it's not awkward in the "two teens who are really bad at talking to one another" way. And secondly, people have certain expectations for how a film romance between the protagonists is supposed to play out...and Anakin and Padme don't follow the script for a happy ending.
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Oct 13, 2017 12:07
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I love when people invent arbitrary prequel-specific rules, like ‘creepy teens have no place in cinema’. People poop in space but we skip that, where are your tears for space poop?
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Oct 13, 2017 12:13
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The actual issue with AOTC's romance is that Padme only confronts the creepiness once. Aside from that, the audience feels tons of discomfort (fine) but Padme shrugs it off (not fine / bad acting or writing) or is totally back to normal by the next scene, as though Anakin hadn't pushed any boundaries at all so far. What is missing is the actual pathos of a strong figure who won't surrender when her home planet is occupied, but lets a creepy teen wear her down. It's reasonable to assume she parallels Anakin's journey of being enslaved to her position of regality & the senate from a young age, and has a tough diplomatic exterior but no understanding of her own humanity or personal being. What we get, instead of that, is Natalie Portman phoning it in. Her performance should have been as upsetting as Christensen's in order to tell the real story.
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jivjov posted:Firstly, George's Why are you pretending to be on a first-name basis with Lucas? e: Zeris posted:The actual issue with AOTC's romance is that Padme only confronts the creepiness once. Aside from that, the audience feels tons of discomfort (fine) but Padme shrugs it off (not fine / bad acting or writing) or is totally back to normal by the next scene, as though Anakin hadn't pushed any boundaries at all so far. "It's bad that the character seems stupid" "Why is it bad?" "Because it's bad acting/writing" "Why is it bad?" "Because the character seems stupid" BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Oct 13, 2017 12:24
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You would think hot creeps never got laid irl
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Oct 13, 2017 12:47
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viral spiral posted:By this (flawed) logic, the role of Hannibal Lector (a creepy character!) should have ended Anthony Hopkins' career after The Silence of the Lambs. Hannibal is cool creepy. Anakin is dork creepy.
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Oct 13, 2017 13:01
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"Why is it bad?" Hayden Christensen's acting is subjectively bad because it is unbelievable, rigid, and fails to elicit much of an emotional response from me. This is in contrast with Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor who actually both do really well throughout the prequels, in my opinion. Hell, Natalie Portman is one of my favorite actors and I think she was unbelievable and rigid in the prequels. The two of them - Portman and Christensen - both sound like they don't believe what they're saying and struggle to find a compelling voice for their characters. As far as the dialogue goes, I think it's often overly plain and uninteresting. Maybe that's why Portman and Christensen struggled to reach me as a viewer, I don't know. On the other hand, I think the overall story told in the prequels is pretty good with a handful of exceptions. And that's "writing", too, in a sense, so what I'm mostly criticising is the dialogue. Maybe this doesn't satisfy your question as to why the acting is bad. If you like the acting, that's great. I like Star Wars and I think the prequels were disappointing. Anyway that's my answer.
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Oct 13, 2017 14:11
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Padme is damaged goods, too, though. Like literally everyone else in the prequels except Palpatine (who gets his similar moment only at the end of RotJ), she only realizes where her blindness has gotten her once its too late.
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Oct 13, 2017 14:40
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Ugh. loving AotC. Why is this treasonous child murderer being all creepy?
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I think the problem is that any complaint about the acting could be arguably justified by the thematic content of the films. The Prequels portray a cosmos in the process of fracturing, a broken form matches a broken content. For a forum like CineD that places high value on displaying original thematic critiques simply saying the acting makes you uncomfortable is not enough. I think this is the sort of thing prequel defenders are looking for:Zeris posted:The actual issue with AOTC's romance is that Padme only confronts the creepiness once. But I think the problem here is not down to Natalie Portman. The fact is Padme is a marginal character circling around what is essentially the male drama of the Prequels, but she doesn't even seem to have substantial observations to make about the men who hold the real agency in the world. Perhaps as a member of the ruling class she will inevitably only notice things too late, in words too prim and decorous: "This is how democracy dies, to thunderous applause" she notes, or "Anakin, you're breaking my heart" she observes. Like it's fine I think for a film to portray a patriarchal world, but for there to be not even a glimmer of nascent feminism is Undialectical and Bad. Instead she fulfils the role across the films of a vessel into which Anakin can pour his angst. Her role in AOTC is to succumb to Anakin, which I think is disappointingly shallow given the film can be seen to constitute in part a critique of traditional romantic love plots. The blame for that is shared across the film's team though, it's not just on part of Natalie Portman's acting.
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Oct 13, 2017 14:59
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TFA up until they leave Jakku is pretty much as perfect as the first act of a modern Star War could be imo. It might be my favorite first act other than the first one.
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Oct 13, 2017 15:06
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:
Do you believe there's such a thing as bad acting / a bad performance?
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Ingmar terdman posted:TFA up until they leave Jakku is pretty much as perfect as the first act of a modern Star War could be imo. It might be my favorite first act other than the first one. Episode IV originally had even more "Luke doing Luke stuff" like hanging out with his friends, and I kind of wish that existed in a finished form. It would drag the pace, but further drives home the radicalization point.
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Oct 13, 2017 15:11
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I'm the extremely Chinese trade federation on the donut ship
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homullus posted:Episode IV originally had even more "Luke doing Luke stuff" like hanging out with his friends, and I kind of wish that existed in a finished form. It would drag the pace, but further drives home the radicalization point. All that stuff and more is reproduced in the radio drama, which I recommend to all the top-tier nerds itt. It's good
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Oct 13, 2017 15:30
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moist turtleneck posted:I'm the extremely Chinese trade federation on the donut ship There were Chinese people on that ship?
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Oct 13, 2017 15:33
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im the extremely Jewish little guy trying to swindle people out of credits
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Oct 13, 2017 15:35
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Once it was pointed out that none of the racist caricatures in the prequels are actually racist caricatures, they're just people with accents, I can't unsee how weird the reaction to them is. No, seriously. People just really hate accents.
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Oct 13, 2017 15:40
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Holy gently caress you guys are racist
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The Unfetered One posted:im the extremely Jewish little guy trying to swindle people out of credits i don't recall any Judaism in star wars
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moist turtleneck posted:I'm the extremely Chinese trade federation on the donut ship I'm every padawan's lovely rat-tail.
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Zeris posted:The actual issue with AOTC's romance is that Padme only confronts the creepiness once. Aside from that, the audience feels tons of discomfort (fine) but Padme shrugs it off (not fine / bad acting or writing) or is totally back to normal by the next scene, as though Anakin hadn't pushed any boundaries at all so far. Well now we’ve got it: the problem has nothing to do with the base concept or the acting or anything else; the problem is that Anakin gets away with it. Nobody stops him, and so the people in the audience feel this nigh-unbearable tension and frustration because Padme simply tolerates fascism. It’s the ‘don’t go in the basement!!!’ effect.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:nigh-unbearable tension lol
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