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Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Fleta Mcgurn posted:

I'm not as in love with Adelstein as most white Tokyoites seem to be, but the Lucie Blackman case was and is a very real thing.
I meant his stripper friend or whatever.

https://archive.is/9aY8B

quote:

–claims in his “non-fiction” book Tokyo Vice, and in various interviews, that his informant, “a prostitute friend” named “Helena”, was murdered due to his actions. He told the BBC that she had been “raped, tortured and killed.” Adelstein’s assistant and another person identified “Helena” as Olivia Stelcer. When contacted in 2013, Stelcer in several emails confirmed that she helped Adelstein’s reporting in 2001, continued to live in Japan for 16 years, and that she wasn’t “murdered”. She said Adelstein continued to contact her, even as he told the public he felt guilty for her murder and lamented her loss.

Edit:

quote:

National Geographic TV crew dubbed him “Jake the Fake”

quote:

But a few days before the crew left California, Adelstein called from Japan, warning them about “dangers” awaiting them in the shadows of Tokyo. He claimed that gangsters had broken into his house and beaten him up with a phone book. The veteran California crew were puzzled; who in Tokyo has a phone book. It became an inside joke for the crew. They laughed every time they saw a phone booth potentially holding a dangerous, deadly phone book.

LOL. That website is a very long read, but it's like one giant meltdown thread compilation for one crazy weeb.

Bajaj fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Oct 14, 2017

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barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Fantastic Flyer
Aug 9, 2017

"Now hurry up and poo poo in the street so we can get going"

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Why do people hate Tokyo vice so much?

I read this on a recommendation and it is profoundly, obviously fake. Same with that book called "One Day as a Gang Leader" or whatever, that book is just hilariously fake but for some reason people don't seem to catch on??

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Bajaj posted:

For real though, veg Manchurian owns. Breaded vegetables in Indian "gravy" slime that tastes vaguely Chinesey in chili soy sauce.



Omg, this looks like heaven.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

TsarZiedonis posted:

Some of the US State Dept interviews with his old friends that Wikileaks released were really illuminating. They painted a picture of Xi as a highly intelligent, driven ladder climber. He apparently approached advancement inside the CCP power structure with a cynical, single minded determination, and ran his public life decades (education, marriage, public persona) as a coldly calculated mask. You have to remember, he rose from internal exile (his father was on the outs during the cultural revolution) to being the most powerful man in china. His friends that were interviewed described him as holding them in contempt for choosing personal pursuits (love, fun, financial security) over the pursuit of political power in the party. He essentially comes across as a less dramatic, real life version of Kevin Spacey's character in House of Cards.

IIRC, his exact personal beliefs are less clear. He's apparently not some kind of actual Maoist, but he does hold some left wing tendencies. Some of the conversations I read in the leaks (and elsewhere) seemed to suggest this isn't because he's some kind of principled leftist, by because he's disgusted by the wealth and power the new rich hold, and firmly believes that all power should be centralized into the hands of the Chinese state. He also seems to be a strong believer in Chinese racial nationalism, and has been advancing policies inimical to other people's alongside a new wave of xenophobic nationalism inside china itself.

He's basically an intelligent, authoritarian sociopath.

That's always been my read based on what's available, but I think it's interesting because I can see where he gets it, given what he has witnessed in China. For all this thread loves to poo-poo (or pooh-pooh) on traditional Chinese culture, modern Chinese hyperconsumerism is, if anything, way more depressing and represents an almost pitiful greed with no bottom. (I'm not saying the USA is any different.) It does feel like he has genuine contempt for that, but I don't know how he's going to be able to curtail it.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008
To be fair some of the hit pieces on Adelstein are probably not reliable and/or don't pass the sniff test, but he's also legitimately full of poo poo.

I mean in a way good for him; westerners don't know poo poo about the mysterious orient so you can basically ride that pretty far if enough people buy your bullshit. Got him a book and on TV and all so congrats I guess.

But he's apparently quite lovely to women, maybe including the "interns" from his alma mater he at least used to surround himself with.

Hell if anyone wants to hear more from him just like hang around the Pink Cow or whatever in Roppongi, I saw him around there often enough. He only hires bodyguards to maintain that fantasy that the Yaks are after him when he goes to events and poo poo.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Pick posted:

That's always been my read based on what's available, but I think it's interesting because I can see where he gets it, given what he has witnessed in China. For all this thread loves to poo-poo (or pooh-pooh) on traditional Chinese culture, modern Chinese hyperconsumerism is, if anything, way more depressing and represents an almost pitiful greed with no bottom. (I'm not saying the USA is any different.) It does feel like he has genuine contempt for that, but I don't know how he's going to be able to curtail it.

Which is more depressing; Chinese consumerism, or the fact that you'll never be with Hugh.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

... and the kid replies in korean

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

bob dobbs is dead posted:

... and the kid replies in korean

that's a comfort woman

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

It's like the author has never heard an American or Chinese mother talk before.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



What did they edit out of the second frame? The sign post just ends in mid air.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Pham Nuwen posted:

What did they edit out of the second frame? The sign post just ends in mid air.

knowing china? the artist's name.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


The original text is Korean and something like
"Study hard or you'll have to work with your hands like him"
"Study hard so you will be able to make a better world for him"

The fact that both are particularly patronising and don't consider the street sweeper making the world more pleasant for the rich is not mentioned in the original Korean (of course)

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
korean people have actual bonafide 100% democracying overdemocracy with extra democracy rubbed all over there tho
so they're raising taxes and the rightwingers are crying about it

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
or, rather, mr. problem is raising taxes eventually after he takes care of the crazypants situation with crazypants idiots with bad hair

I'm not too much of a supporter or detractor but moon jae in's hair game is loving amazing

e: second to roh moohyun

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

corea

the heat goes wrong
Dec 31, 2005
I´m watching you...

Fantastic Flyer posted:

"Now hurry up and poo poo in the street so we can get going"

Wrong communists, buddy.

Fantastic Flyer
Aug 9, 2017

the heat goes wrong posted:

Wrong communists, buddy.

:doh:

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Pick posted:

That's always been my read based on what's available, but I think it's interesting because I can see where he gets it, given what he has witnessed in China. For all this thread loves to poo-poo (or pooh-pooh) on traditional Chinese culture, modern Chinese hyperconsumerism is, if anything, way more depressing and represents an almost pitiful greed with no bottom. (I'm not saying the USA is any different.) It does feel like he has genuine contempt for that, but I don't know how he's going to be able to curtail it.

a large part of the reason people poo-poo china in this thread is because actual traditional chinese culture is twisted and suppressed by the current bullshit government

if you look back over the 5000 years of history that people talk about to gain face, chinese history is marked mostly by periods of unusual liberty and urbanization (compared to the rest of the planet) leading to dizzying bursts of real innovation and eager pursuit of trade to spread (and profit from) those innovations

the CCP is the most protectionist and butthurt government that china's had since the Ming dynasty, which managed to turn the world's only major economic engine into a virtual prison of autarchic beggars who were harassed for being born, harassed for dying, and harassed for everything in between

face culture is a load of poo poo but if there was a more benign government in charge everyone would just make stupid jokes about it; beyond that, they'd get on with their lives. but since the CCP can be collectively anthropomorphized as a particularly spoiled 4 year old, face culture turns into a lot of dumb poo poo that actively hurts anyone who interacts with it.

the root cause is the government and i don't think anyone would seriously argue otherwise, but their influence is real and there's no indication at all that Xi or anyone else in the CCP actively dislikes the status quo. greed with no bottom benefits them directly in a way it doesn't benefit the US government - which is probably why it is in fact different between those countries, socially. no matter how you slice it the USA is one of the most philanthropic countries on the planet, with ~2% of the GDP going to charitable organizations. israel is second at ~1.3-1.4%. if you only count time volunteered per capita, the USA is second (after the netherlands), but the USA is the only country to appear on the top five of both measures. the CCP profits from every worthless purchase and dumb thing that the common Chinese citizen does because they are omnipresent, and unsurprisingly, china rates almost dead last in both time and treasure volunteered because that omnipresence encourages the government to reward mindless poo poo without innovative ends in a way the united states currently does not and, arguably, never has.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.
Oh, my bad on the Adelstein thing. He certainly had a thing for sketchy dead blondes.

Switzerland
Feb 18, 2005
Do what thou must do.
Fuckin' LOL

quote:

Since 2012, the country has retracted more scientific papers because of faked peer reviews than all other countries and territories put together, according to Retraction Watch, a blog that tracks and seeks to publicize retractions of research papers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/world/asia/china-science-fraud-scandals.html

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I used to laugh when I was in graduate school (well, not really, I was suicidally unhappy) that they'd threaten us to produce more and more papers because China was beating us. that's why I had to be in the lab on thanksgiving. because the chinese "are beating us". even back then I knew it was horse poo poo.

(In part because one of my BFFs there was from China and she was like "loving Chinese universities suck")

Switzerland
Feb 18, 2005
Do what thou must do.
Oh man I totally missed the money quote:

quote:

“China wants to become a global leader in science,” said Zhang Lei, a professor of applied physics at Xi’an Jiaotong University. “But how do you achieve that and still preserve the quality of science? We still haven’t figured out how to do that yet.”

Just HOW shall we advance AND preserve quality? No why.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Blistex posted:

It's like the author has never heard an American or Chinese mother talk before.



this is the actual one, just gotta have the Chinese mom say something like "he has a lot of money" as well about comrade li's family. then you've pretty much nailed it

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
also I feel like this is the ultimate china money quote

quote:

“China wants to become a global leader in (fill in the blank),” said Zhang Lei, a professor of applied physics at Xi’an Jiaotong University. “But how do you achieve that and still preserve the quality of (fill in the blank)? We still haven’t figured out how to do that yet.”

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

An 8.5-tonne Chinese space station has accelerated its out-of-control descent towards Earth and is expected to crash to the surface within a few months.

The Tiangong-1 or “Heavenly Palace” lab was launched in 2011 and described as a “potent political symbol” of China, part of an ambitious scientific push to turn China into a space superpower.
Not to detract from the schadenfreude, but Tiangong-1 was decommissioned in 2013 and the original plan was to deorbit it intentionally, but they decided to keep it in orbit to study the how long various components would stand up to prolonged use. They lost telemetry last summer though and it became uncontrollable.

I guess it's news now because its orbit has finally decayed enough that an educated guess can be made to when it's going to reenter.

Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Oct 15, 2017

cool new Metroid game
Oct 7, 2009

hail satan

but isn't the lol here that they have completely lost control over it and have no idea when exactly or where it'll come down? the russians brought mir down in a controlled manner to make sure it didn't crash into some city or something.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
If it fell directly onto Beijing (I mean, hopefully burning up and disintegrating before impact) I can only imagine the face lost. Accusations of the unknown country's sabotage would run afire.

uli2000
Feb 23, 2015

Bajaj posted:

I saw this "Chinese" food stall while walking around, which was aptly named CHINA TOWN CHINESE FOOD. I will start writing it as Sizwan from now on.



For real though, veg Manchurian owns. Breaded vegetables in Indian "gravy" slime that tastes vaguely Chinesey in chili soy sauce.



Dry Manchurian and American Chopsey sound like something you have to pay the hooker extra for.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Both Skylab and one of the Salyut's had uncontrolled descents, what's funny about the Chinese example is how well it fits as a metaphor for Chinese hubris and the irony that it's happening now as China goes to poo poo.

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

Bajaj posted:

I saw this "Chinese" food stall while walking around, which was aptly named CHINA TOWN CHINESE FOOD. I will start writing it as Sizwan from now on.



For real though, veg Manchurian owns. Breaded vegetables in Indian "gravy" slime that tastes vaguely Chinesey in chili soy sauce.



Food menus are the secret insight to the asian cultures and values.

I may have mentioned this previously, maybe not, but I tell everyone in person that older Koreans still have not forgiven nor forgotten the Japanese atrocities of WWII, and it's evident on the menu at the local place.

I'll dig up one and post the picture later. Big thing to note: Chinese food, Korean food, and "Teriyaki" food.


The Chinese FACE of science.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

simplefish posted:

The original text is Korean and something like
"Study hard or you'll have to work with your hands like him"
"Study hard so you will be able to make a better world for him"

The fact that both are particularly patronising and don't consider the street sweeper making the world more pleasant for the rich is not mentioned in the original Korean (of course)

The original is something like:
1st woman : "Study hard so you don't have to be street cleaning scum"
2nd woman : "Study hard so you don't become a judgemental bitch like this oval office right here"

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


ladron posted:

The original is something like:
1st woman : "Study hard so you don't have to be street cleaning scum"
2nd woman : "Study hard so you don't become a judgemental bitch like this oval office right here"

Oh, I must have seen an edited version then

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

ladron posted:

The original is something like:
1st woman : "Study hard so you don't have to be street cleaning scum"
2nd woman : "Study hard so you don't become a judgemental bitch like this oval office right here"

can i see it? never saw that version

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
How can you be a leader in science if your work is of poor quality?

Fantastic Flyer
Aug 9, 2017

nickmeister posted:

How can you be a leader in science if your work is of poor quality?

You have hurt the feelings of the Chinese people

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Australian Version, 10 blokes with brooms are standing around doing nothing and having a smoke.

Mother: fuckin council workers eh?

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
Skylab came down in somebody's backyard in Australia, leading the town government to send NASA a fine for littering. Mir, obviously, came down in the ocean and Taco Bell did that target stunt. A Soviet spy satellite crashed in Canada sometime in the Cold War, which was embarrassing partly because its onboard power unit was a small radioactive thermal generator (pretty standard) and it scattered a low level of radiation over a wide area (so, not that big a deal at the end of the day, but the Canadian government was pretty sour about it). IIRC a piece of one of the Salyuts almost hit somebody in Argentina.

China joins yet another international club here, basically

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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Pirate Radar posted:

Skylab came down in somebody's backyard in Australia, leading the town government to send NASA a fine for littering. Mir, obviously, came down in the ocean and Taco Bell did that target stunt. A Soviet spy satellite crashed in Canada sometime in the Cold War, which was embarrassing partly because its onboard power unit was a small radioactive thermal generator (pretty standard) and it scattered a low level of radiation over a wide area (so, not that big a deal at the end of the day, but the Canadian government was pretty sour about it). IIRC a piece of one of the Salyuts almost hit somebody in Argentina.

China joins yet another international club here, basically

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